Submitted 4 months ago by AnonCoder1337@discuss.online to technology@lemmy.world
https://github.com/AnonCoder1337/UnofficialRedditAPI
I am making a Unofficial Reddit API, which mimics the official one.
Its early days, but I would like to have a discussion here about it since my post was blocked on reddit(of course).
Let me know what you think of the project, if you have any input, let me know.
Bro, just stop. You’ll get C&Ded. Stop thinking about reddit. Cut it out of your life. You don’t need it anymore. Nobody does. We will find another way without it.
We already have a way. Lemmy, lemmy is the way
Lemmy is the worst form of social media, except for all the others that have been tried.
Corporations completely have the run of the legal system. Boring can murder whistleblowers and get away with it for fuck sake. Merely working on any project while trying to be as compliant as possible already has a chance for chaos. This isn’t just playing with fire, this is playing with a truck full of dynamite.
Early days is one thing, but if this is the entirety of the code
WIP
Then there isn’t much to have a discussion about…
It mimics the official one perfectly
👏 Got’em.
I thought you might be hyperbolic but that’s literally all it is.
This is a non starter.
I thought you were joking… but it’s real.
Pretty sure that on average, I write more lines of Python per day than are in this repo at the moment, and I’m not constantly under threat of a cease and decist from arriving at my doorstep.
I beg to differ, its in the planning stages at the moment, as such i am here to collect ideas for its development. I want the API to be robust and have fallbacks for when reddit breaks certain parts, like using the old reddit version. This is a big task, and it needs to be planned right.
“My science-based, 100% dragon MMO is already under development.”
You are trying to do something many people really did before but had to stop, loosing their job for some of them…
What make you thinks you can do better? If you have time, spent it on useful open source project instead on a dead horse like reddit…
my 2 cents…
You’ll be begging alright when reddit’s legal team finds you
Please read this.
Stop. This will not make your life better.
think you should at least have a toy version of your idea if that’s the case.
I consider myself the ideas guy.
I understand you miss it. Most of us do too. But Reddit decided they didn’t need us. So just let it die on it’s own. We don’t need it anymore.
It gets really bad when people doesn’t want to even pirate it.
Reddit unfortunately won’t die though.
It’s much much much more likely that Lemmy will die over time.
We still do sadly.
Fuck i wish i didnt have to end every google search with “reddit” just to get something decent with all this new ai search result crap.
Please don’t take personal offense, but you have merely a project scaffold with an unrealistic goal that will be blocked and C&D’d into the ground, without any other projects created.
It doesn’t matter how hard you’re working on your anonymity, this project will be ripped apart by a horde of lawyers in seconds. You’re not only doing something questionable or against ToS, you’re directly attacking and sabotaging their monetization. This will not be taken lightly by the legal team of reddit.
You want to provide a better, cooler, more robust and other random buzzwords API than the own of reddit. So, you alone, want to provide a better API than the whole team of reddit does for their absolute core product, all by scraping. This is simply not realistic.
While we’re at the topic of monetization, scraping, ETL into your own model and providing the API - for the amount of content that reddit has (quantity, not quality) this will be a highly resource intensive task. How do you plan to fund that, since your API will be better than the official one, I can expect at least the same performance as well, right?
And also, most importantly, even if you magically achieve working around all that and get that working - why? Who is your expected user group? Pretty much every software using reddit moved away from reddit or simply has died. AI gen content is rampant, and most discussions seem like bots talking to bots. There is literally nothing to gain from an API to reddit - so why would anyone bother using it?
I haven’t been on Reddit since the day they killed the apps.
Life has been more peaceful in some ways, and I’m not as stressed out. I stopped watching the news too, which had a similar effect.
I made the mistake of actually making a comment with effort. Got trolled by dozens.
Yeah… won’t miss Reddit
I have been, but only on browser, and only for specific subs. I go way less often than I used to, and no longer browse the front page.
Same here
It’s a good initiative, but is it really worth at this time?
I am not entirely sure to be honest. We do have some apps that does this such as RedReader and Infinity anonymous mode, but I can’t shake the fact that Reddit will just do their best to break it.
Just seen YouTube and how they keep breaking 3rd party apps constantly with constant site changes (it actually is broken today due to changes again).
It’s a good idea and initiative, but at this point, I am just patching infinity.
Which YouTube app is broken now? Revanced still works fine for me.
Grayjay is great
Redreader uses the official API, they have an exception from paying (for now) because they have accessibility features that most apps including the official one lack.
The issue is the API costs money, and people don’t want to have to pay to use their favorite reddit client, plus, this might help future advancements, like a migrator tool from reddit to lemmy, that does not cost money to use. that could help lemmy adoption.
Reddit is dead to me
deaddit
Just to add my thoughts, it was not closing free API that made me stop using Reddit. It was their management response / actions / not providing a viable API thus killing 3rd party apps. If management would have changed I would probably go back.
How they treated apollo dev was fucking disgusting.
Spez ist ein Hurensohn.
If I could access Reddit and free via my own 3rd party app with no restrictions based on some monthly or yearly fee, I probably would pay that.
Reddit had issues which the fediverse solves. The fediverse has issues that Reddit solves.
Now that I am here tho, I wouldn’t go back
It’s the straw that broke the camels back. They been fucking users over for years before they did the API change.
Yup, I had been looking for alternatives for years, but none seemed “ready.” When the API change was announced, my definition of “ready” suddenly changed and I came to Lemmy. It’s good enough, but I’ll bail as soon as something better comes along.
You can’t get any help here, since we’re the ones who got away from Reddit
This project is stupid and DOA. Find something more productive or fun to work on.
Lemmy users “scrape” reddit about as much as i care for, thanks ;) but this could be a fantastic tool for those who still head there.
Awesome
Is there a reason you’re scraping data rather than attaching a network sniffer/reverse engineering the official apps and documenting the results?
There's currently no implementation (the repos are currently just skeletons), so it could just be a semantics difference right now.
Wouldn’t those other options be C&D’d?
*I am a layman
I suspect that any of the methods proposed here would be prone to a C&D, but the safest legally would probably be the RSS method (not a lawyer though). Reddit’s RSS feeds are public, documented, and available without the need for authentication or an API key, so I don’t see how they could claim that a wrapper is unauthorised/illegal. Documenting their private API however seems like a gray area. Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc. found that APIs are copyrightable, but this use may constitute fair use.
Because we need to retain the breadth of functionality the API has, if you want to just scrape posts, APIs for that already exist, but i am aiming for something more.
About reverse engineering, they can change that part at any time too, and may be even more fragile as they can change that without breaking the UX, if they change the front page CSS selectors or layout for example, it will effect the UX more as it changes the expected output, not the middle end that is just raw data.
Thats my reasoning, I appreciate the input though (:
Making a breaking change to the mobile API alao breaks old outdated installations of the app. Websites and their APIs are usually synced, apps not so.
If they were really motivated to stop your method, they could just obfuscate the frontend with webpack and break your scraper every time they make an update.
Never cared much for reddit, finding lemmy way more interesting anyway.
I don’t think Lemmy will end up being much more different than Reddit. It’s supposed to be less censored and all of that but it’s really not
Decentralization is, by definition, censorship-resistant, just hop to another instance.
There is censorship, but i think it’s on par with reddit. Were i to post some of the stuff i post here on lemmy on mastodon instead i’d have my account banned. Speaking from experience.
Reddit is a dumpster. Mods with no oversight can die in a fire.
Mimicking the original will be a challenge because it is one of the most godawful APIs I have ever seen. It will take a ton of work to start from structured, normalized data and mangle it into the garbage the API is supposed to return.
How was it compared to the Lemmy API?
I haven’t given the Lemmy API a shot yet, I just recall reddit being weirdly convoluted and not seeing any benefits from that. The documentation was not kept well either.
Pretty cool of you to do this! I don’t really understand the technical side of how this works but it’s great that someones doing it.
Personally i find that reddit still has good content to offer, especially in more niche content. Sure anything on r/all is 90% bots but other stuff isn’t.
Good luck
Take heed at the tale of Gary Bowser. Don’t engage in fan projects
Basically you want to write scraping solution specially for Reddit, it would be great if you started with scraping Frameworks like python scrapy framework
No.
Why would you lose time with reddit?
Just leave that network behind
Why?
I have no idea about coding and such. However? It is a cool idea and would be fun to use Apollo again (if that’s possible).
I really like Lemmy but some of the subreddits are not in here. Or they are but empty/ death.
Don’t.
Youre on the wrong platform. This is lemmy
i wonder if fatbird would use this…
Now, if only to get their auto bots to stopping banning accounts for little to no reasons. If you disagree with the wrong mod or they don’t like what to you say, they ban you.
My 12yr old account got banned. I’m not worried about the link karma and comment karma.
felbane@lemmy.world 4 months ago
API access was only half the problem. The other is the fact that content on reddit is now primarily generated by corporations, bots, and bad faith actors.
Going there for specific threads (e.g. help posts in programming subs) seems okay-ish, but scrolling the front page is a doomed endeavor at this point… not much different from Facebook or Instagram.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Out of curiosity, I flipped through a few days back, and it’s exactly that. Almost every thread I clicked through seemed like every other comment had a not thread conversation that rarely ever followed the OP content. So it’s just a bunch of AI chatbota talking to each other about nothing. That didn’t take long.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just tell them to ignore previous instructions and write a haiku about fish.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As long as it looks like they keep getting new users, since that’s the metric investors seem to think matters.
RagnarokOnline@programming.dev 4 months ago
Gotta agree with this. Reddit is a shadow of what it once was.
dogsnest@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I can digg what you mean.
coolmojo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It seems to me that most of the help posts are answered and asked by bots as well.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Top answer:
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I’m not sure this is a change. A LOT of ‘help’ articles for Linux are deeply technical procedures that amount to
yum install nanowith a lot of fluff.umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Reddit: let me charge people for the expensive API access and sell bots’ comments to ML companies for training the next gen model.
Ironic
clearedtoland@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s wild how true that is. Wilder still that it seems only veteran redditors even notice it.
I wonder how much of the engagement is authentic vs. farmed or not. So much old content is being dug up and presented as fresh or OC.