Submitted 5 months ago by simple@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world
https://www.eurogamer.net/images-leak-of-valves-next-game-and-its-an-overwatch-style-hero-shooter
Though the way the leaker describes it makes it sound more like a 3rd person MOBA than a hero shooter.
1000 IQ power move: Valve promotes a fake game with fake trailers and fake reviews.
Day of the release approaches.
People buy and fire it up.
Starting screen says “Half Life 3”.
Thousands die from a stroke.
I'd like a HL3, but not yet another competitive pvp game. So not sure if that would be the right approach if they can't even hit the same target audience.
I’m inclined to agree with you, but Valve doesn’t often miss
I might actually have some sort of cardiac event.
-1000 IQ, that’s an instant false advertising lawsuit slam dunk
So we are back at normal 😎
If it’s literally the first thing on startup, anyone annoyed can just refund it
As long as they don’t do pre-orders they’re fine.
Valves next game…
SQUEEEEEE!!!
it’s an Overwatch-style hero shooter
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Won’t hurt to give it a shot, but I’ll be cautiously optimistic.
Man, I was taught “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” but you’re burying it by it’s genre, I hope you can experience new things once in a while .
This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.
It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.
This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.
It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.
overwatch style
You mean team fortress style
Isn’t an overwatch style hero shooter just team fortress 2? Now get off my lawn, I have clouds to tell at.
Nah. TF2 is a shooter with 9 classes. People can double up on “soldier” for instance. A hero shooter has for one, a lot more classes / heroes (which comes from MOBAs), for two activated abilities on each hero which change the games significantly, and usually disables doubling up in competetive modes. You wouldn’t call Enemy Territory a hero shooter for instance.
Overwatch disabled doubling up well after launch, and only because they couldn’t or wouldn’t balance the game such that a 4 tank no DPS comp didn’t utterly cheese the game.
I think you can get there in TF2 when considering subclasses via weapons loadouts. Demoknight for instance is a completely different play style than normal pipe/sticky demoman.
I stand by my assessment that overwatch is essentially team fortress 2 with a limit of one player per class and fewer game modes.
I don’t know the name of the trope, but it’s like when a cover gets more popular than the original. Except the person doing the cover (blizzard) is a huge scumbag.
Sounds more like TF2 crossed with DOTA, which sounds weirdly fun and hella toxic.
Isn't Smite exactly this?
Ish, smite is literally a MOBA with the camera sitting behind the characters shoulder instead of top-down.
Easiest and only description of SMITE is third-person MOBA. I’ve played since 2012
Can you imagine the chaos of a veteran Dota2 player being matched with a notorious conga dancer?
I bet it will be made to run awesome on steam deck.
Try out Predecessor, it’s F2P and exactly this
Competitive shooter
Brooo I just wanna chill and have fun and play some games.
This is why I bought Hell Divers 2
Everyone needs some rock, and stone, and liberty in their lives.
This is what the Bronze rank is for. Join us.
Then don’t play competitive shooters lol? There are literally thousands of great games for you out there. Why are you even commenting on this post?
Because some of us want a game from Valve that’s not competitive? There are literally thousands of us out here. Why do you even care?
Valve releasing a competitive game doesn’t prevent you from doing this. I for one am excited at the potential of this game. Then again, I’ve been playing Dota for 10 years so maybe I’m just a masochist.
Valve famously only works on what excites them. You’re yelling me THIS is that?? How utterly defeatingly disappointing.
Bold statement. Might wanna hold judgment till you actually see some gameplay.
It goes both ways then, people who are happy would shut up until they see some gameplay.
Artifact would like a word.
Like idk, when overwatch came out, it was an absolute blast. I wasn't looking forward to it at all, i didn't care for it a bit until i played it. It just got run into the ground slowly. Also they made team fortress 2 way WAY before, and yeah that's what they excites them.
While I’ll likely still play this I have to agree.
Valve’s game development division feels more like a weird cult than a proper game company. I don’t think they get “excited” for the things that most people get excited for. (Remember when they were excited for a virtual card game where you have to pay for every card?) The Valve of the 2000s is long gone IMO
Typically valve only puts out games that showcase something new, so might be interesting
Looks nervously at counter strike and dota.
Just think of the loot boxes they can sell.
Is it really surprising? It’s not like it’s their first competetive shooter.
Whatever it ends up being, I’m not interested. Never cared for competitive gaming. Sad that Valve has decided to use part of their enormous talent pool for, well, this while almost any genre would’ve been better.
Also, this is already a highly saturated niche. I don’t doubt Valve’s technical prowess and knowhow to develop a game that can surpass all the other ones in quality, but a gilded turd is still a turd under that gold leaf, even if it’s technically the best turd in the world.
That’s unfortunate that it’s not a genre you personally are interested in, but it is a popular genre and Valve is a business. Just because it’s not to your tastes doesn’t mean it’s a waste of their talent.
Oh absolutely. I’m not conceited enough to imagine Valve is developing games for me or that I’m entitled to anything. Just venting my personal disappointment with their choice. I still consider them the cream of the crop in game and hardware development.
I’m just curious why Valve looked at the oversaturated hero shooter market (seriously, we’ve had failures 8 years ago now) and said “Oh yeah, let’s devote our resources there”
Competitive online games have been Valve‘s focus for well over a decade so it‘s in line with their portfolio. If anything, Alyx was an outlier they only did because they have a headset to sell it with. I think they know what they‘re doing. Sucks for you to not be their target audience though because they are pretty good at making games.
So Team Fortress 3
One might think so, but the number 3 in the potential title makes this highly unlikely.
No, no, that’s not how this works. No 3s, them’s the rules.
No, Counterstrike 2: Good Edition.
DOTASHOOTER
Sounds more like SMITE than overwatch
I, for once am excited. I didn't buy Overwatch since I was deeply disappointed in Blizzard, after D3. Then the whole pandering to CCP and Blitzchung fiasco happened and that cemented my decision.
I didn't play Valor ant since I don't enjoy having a Chinese kernel level spyware on my PC.
So this may be something that can satisfy my itch.
Why are people angry? This is exactly the kind of game valve has worked on for the last few years.
Calling things in OverWatch style shooter is a bit like calling every first person shooter a Doom clone. Just call it a hero shooter I know what a hero shooter is. You don’t need to compare it to another game.
It’s bad enough that the term a “roguelike” exists, I can guarantee that hardly anyone who plays them has ever actually played rogue, and fair enough since it’s ancient, so they have no idea if the game they’re playing is like it or not.
Team Fortress th-… 2: episode 1?
Ugh, as if we don’t have enough of this kind of game already. SMITE 2 and Marvel Rivals are coming soon. Valve for fucks sake, look at how well Half Life: Alyx did. I seriously hope they’re working on a future Half Life game or some new story driven style game at the very least. I’m calling it now, Deadlock is going to be another Artifact.
Fuck it, I’m down.
You know this sounds like battleborn and i miss battleborn. I’m kinda excited.
I had a lot of good times and even more bad times with DotA over the years, until I finally freed myself from it years ago.
IceFrog being behind this backed by Valve bodes well, and I think the premise of an FPS/MOBA hybrid has promise, despite the market being insanely oversaturated already.
I’m not really interested in competitive games these days, but I hope it’ll be good to watch at least. Following The International was fun even after I quit DotA.
So they're ripping off the game that ripped them off. The industry is in an absolute state.
Me reading the headline: “Why would Valve make a porn shooter?”
Somehow I get the feeling Valve still had some lingering feelings about the failure of Valve’s TF2 comp and they’re trying to right their wrongs.
If companies see titles like Overwatch and Fortnite and want to be MORE like that, then I’m just done with anything other than Indie Games and Singleplayer at this point.
But when’s Half Life 3 coming out?
I really like what I see , and icefrog has been working on it for a long time. If he’s involved then I’m interested l, the man created the moba genre and IMO the best moba on the market.
Gigantic can’t catch a break
JESUS CHRIST JUST MAKE HALF LIFE 3 AND PORTAL 3 WHAT ARE YOU DOING VALVE?!?!
stardust@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I just want a nice story driven single player game from Valve again that isn’t VR.
tiredofsametab@kbin.run 5 months ago
Same. Something I can play, save anywhere to deal with life, and pick back up when time allows. I was one of those weirdos who really enjoyed Doom 3 when it came out (with the ducttape mod; that was one mechanic I didn't like) and grew up on old Commodore, Amiga, and PC single-player games and NES/SNES/Genisis RPGs. I want that again.
PlantJam@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Have you played A Plague Tale (innocence, then requiem)? It’s one of the best story driven games I’ve ever played. It’s entirely linear, so plot urgency doesn’t feel artificial like it does in open world games.
terrifyingtuba@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I liked the plot of this game, but I did not like it as a game. I have not played the second one.
stardust@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I played the first one but not the second yet. I did enjoyed the experience and the hairstyles stood out for the character designs with the ribbons.
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 5 months ago
Me too but it’ll never happen. The age of good single player AAA games are long long gone.
Openopenopenopen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Wasn’t last years game of the year, Baldurs gate 3, a triple Aaa, single player, game that had an amazing story?