Submitted 8 months ago by ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com to fediverse@lemmy.world
The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.
If they weren’t such weasels and actually agrued back rather than just ban people like the spineless dimwit twats they are, I’d say the argument that they are easily filtered holds. But given they are just looking to propagate their shilling for Russia, trump (and they definitely do this) etc… fuck em!
Even outside of their space, when they “argue” it had generally been posting giant, random images that had little to no context followed by walls of emojis. Which is why my blocklist is mostly Hexbear users.
But you see, if I post the gigachad xi image in a comment I win the argument and my stalin posting friends give me an upvote
The images thing is a glitch actually. Try viewing the same thread in your browser and they’re reggo size
Yes, leftists famously LOVE Donald Trump 🤣
This is the most Reddit radlib shit I’ve seen over here yet. Grow up my dude
Lemmy.ml are tankies first and foremost. They’ll defend anything that Russia/China thinks is good.
Calling them leftists is an insult to the rest of us who aren’t authie chuds.
Hexbears arent lefties. They are hiding behind acting like they are lefties while at the same time sucking up to the most fascist regimes on earth.
They sure seem to like him a lot better than voting in solidarity with the people who’s lives he threatens!
No ‘leftists’ don’t, but you’re all pepe loving little bootlicking fascists.
Sure, but what about right wing trolls pretending to leftists?
Pretty damn rich coming from lemmy.world where you ban people for criticizing Biden
All you dummies do when you ban and defederate is push more and more people into extremist communities.
I’ve been banned for defending Biden lol
I’ve been banned for defending Biden, kiddo…. Find a new bit, the one you’re using is old.
Please find a single example of Hexbear supporting Trump. Attacking Biden does not count
Jesus fucking christ, this has comments talking about trump living rent free in muh libs heads
You’re the same pack of fucking incels mixed in with the same russian shilling from 2016, that post was from an hour ago, took me seconds to find it
If you can’t see how hexbear is mirroring trump rhetoric almost word for word then I don’t know what to tell you.
I’m all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you’d need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you’re referring to?
Asking for proof of what ia an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.
I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.
They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…
I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I’m not remotely surprised they’re pro-shitheap in general
They love to dogpile as well. I’ve seen a couple of raiding threads linking to other threads making fun of whoever. But in reality they’re just directing people over there to shit on someone. At least, that’s what I saw last year, so I’m very distrusting of them.
That and the AMA thread where one admin was all buddy buddy with Hexabear users during their federation.
Check my history, I called them out for the NATO one today and they threw all sorts of random shit at me that was off the central point, just looking for a mistake in my wording.
It’s totally reasonable to ask me to cite my reasoning.
IF lemmy.ml is admin’d by the Lemmy devs, themselves,
AND their ideology/prejudice is being obstructed by the Lemmy-verse,
THEN wouldn’t it be rational for them to engineer-in to Lemmy, itself, protections for their ideology?
Breaking the Fediverse’s ability to “manage” them?
or breaking the Fediverse’s ability to have any alternative-ideology be its core??
I’m thinking they could either adulterate privacy, deliberately, or they could force blocking to be porous, or something…
IOW, I’m thinking that it is strategically-incompetent to allow tankies to own our core tech, exactly as it is strategically-incompetent to allow right-wing highjackers-of-our-countries to do so.
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I would like to see proof of how a community doing its own thing of sharing their radical views on their instance is damaging.
I haven’t seen any rampant behavior of lemmy.ml users going to other instances and dogpiling certain posts or comment section. That may be defederation worthy.
This is less about the instance as a whole. The !worldnews@lemmy.ml mods are just notoriously terrible. It’s best to just avoid the community altogether.
Lmao I’ve also been banned by rimjob from World News over the stupidest shit. And yes, he did cite some bullshit even thought I was clearly within the rules and arguing in good faith. How dare someone stand their ground against Bruce Almighty from World News! Not surprised.
Yeah… at this point I find insufferable liberals that don’t understand the difference between tankies and fascists nauseating enough to ban you on sight, too.
While I agree that hexbear generally sucks, they and I do at least have an enemy in common. That ban is not so undeserved as I was led to expect.
ml and Hexbear definitely don’t have the same users. Their comments look very different. Hexbear is far more extreme in everything way.
Hexbear is mostly just trolls in my experience. They like to brigade any discussion involving Russia, China, Ukraine, etc.
Lemmy.ml is full of tankies that will also go out of their way to defend Russia and China but they aren’t just blatant trolls which is the difference.
Having controversial opinions isn’t the problem, trolling and brigading are
This is also my take. Hex will troll you but ML folks actually think that you are an evil person because you don’t agree with them on some minor point.
I wonder who they were trolling and brigading in the years of their existence prior to them federating with anyone…
I would need pretty convincing evidence to believe that the major .ml communities don’t have at least one mod each with a Hexbear alt.
At some time we have to deal with this.
Keep in mind that we like Lemmy for being a federated platform.
I don’t think there is enough awareness at this point. And the way we do it here, it has to come from the community. The people and mods have to get aware and make a decision to move the communities and posts to another instance. I don’t see a way around that.
I’m just blocking the entire lemmy.ml instance. I’ve seen consistent problems from them, and nothing worth staying connected with.
Wish I could help you find alternative communities but I’m not sure about the ones you mentioned. They’ll grow over time if Lemmy survives.
It’s what did. I’m not missing a thing.
Moreover, it seems pretty clear to me that .ml intends to keep their finger on the scale as much as possible. Just saying “oh federation solves all the problems just block them” doesn’t really fix the issue when there are a bunch of ways they can potentially run malicious versions of the code base to mess with how federation functions and hold onto their influence. For example, they are already refusing to federate their mod logs in some cases, and they’ve shown themselves to be completely shameless and hypocritical when it comes to banning any and all dissent. They simply cannot be trusted.
I personally believe that the broader fediverse should seriously consider taking serious steps to cut out .ml before they do something drastic to fuck it all up
They also manipulated the modlog on their site to not differentiate between removed by mod and removed by admin. So even When something is removed by Dessalines or Nutomic it’ll still show as moderator and not admin in the mod log.
doesn’t really fix the issue when there are a bunch of ways they can potentially run malicious versions of the code base to mess with how federation functions and hold onto their influence.
This is hysteria of Chinese spy balloon proportions 😂
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
I predicted this when lemmygrad got defederated. I said that neoliberals were gonna identify some other instance as the “tankie instance” and start campaigning to defederate from it.
Funny because it’s always been those 3 instances this whole time, nothing ever changed in our dislike for them.
Well, the discussion in this thread has convinced me to agree. It’s also readily apparent that ml thinks any criticism against them is because they’re leftist. They can’t fathom that anyone could think they’re an asshole or authoritarian apologist.
They don’t think that, they aren’t actually leftists and they know it. They’re masquerading as leftists and using that as a cover for spreading authoritarian propaganda. It’s intentional, they know precisely what they’re doing.
If you try to talk to them about it they’ll argue in bad faith and try to waste your time.
The least interesting thing in the world is people complaining about Hexbear, maybe that is why your comments were removed? Why can’t you just block their comms and ignore them? Works for me, I have an account on .ml I use that federates with Hexbear and when I see things that I think are uninteresting, stupid or immature I just move on like a normal person.
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Fuck .ml and hexbear. They can all go choke on razor wire.
Be respectful of others.
This comment is in clear violation of the rules of this community. Be better, if you want to criticize others.
Seems like they werent such big fans of your post. It has been removed from their instance and your account was banned. Very interesting 🤔
You’ve got things backwards: OP was banned first and then posted this drama in reaction. The post isn’t visible on lemmy.ml because OP is banned.
No. Defederating at the drop of a hat is stupid. You don’t like it? Then you, YOU, block the instance.
I don’t like defederation, but these clowns are asking for it for a very long time.
Ah! That makes sense. I was on world news of Lemmy.ml and the comments where full of nutters and/or troll farms. It was like gote/gout (or whatever it was called), another Reddit alternative I’ve tried that seamed to fill Nazis kicked off Reddit. I unsubscribed and blocked.
I think you’re thinking of Voat.
Lemmy.ml is not only a massive instance, it is also the original and core lemmy instance. Widespread defederation would be like a nuclear bomb to the lemmy platform.
Some people have developed alternatives in the threadiverse like kbin or piefed. If lemmy.ml is truly too far aflight for users to tolerate, it seems likely that alternative platforms will fill in the gaps. For now, lemmy is still a thriving and growing platform.
Widespread defederation has been the norm, though. It has always been a thing, and many threads exist going back and forth on mutual defederation for ages.
And also, the only reason I’m on Lemmy.world and not .ml is precisely because of their moderation and their community. I’m the example you’re talking about.
I say bite the bullet and break the cord already. This is not the first or only thread calling for defederation of Lemmy.ml.
Ml will be long term poison to the group. There’s nothing new to say over there, all their own threads are circular.
It’s not thriving. The devs are prickly arseholes, which is anathema to building a cooperative, volunteer-driven dev community and the tone of many mainstream communities is obnoxiously set by tankies amd their alts.
If instances can participate in asymmetric information warfare without reprisal, the Lemmy experiment has failed.
So what if it is the original? Bad moderation, combined with idolation of authoritarianism is some poisonous stuff.
The question is if admins are willing to have an open conversation about the moderation and content.
But deFederation is a fine solution. Then the admins on .ml have their way and they can have their little hermit kingdom without any dissenting views. And we can go on with out lives without their bile in our feeds and threads.
If that’s what it takes I’m ready to switch to a new platform today. Let’s fork and make something healthy.
Rules in question stated as a reason for removing the comments and temporary ban:
People can make their own conclusions.
Since when is calling out tankies racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia?
They can write whatever bullshit they want as a reason. If the comment is gone, who’s gonna check? Hell, who audits that at all?
Really the best choice here. Hooray for open modlogs!
Your stance is basically: “I had disagreements with/don’t like users from an instance, please block an entire instance for all other users in the instance I’m in”. Why are you making your problems everyone else’s?
My stance is that Hexbear is a bunch of fascists spreading their ideology and Lemmy.ml is helping them doing it by banning dissenters. I believe that freedom of speech only works with parity, and giving fascists a one-way echo chamber with which to spread fascism, deny genocide, brigade, and otherwise act in bad faith should be entirely unacceptable. People should not be getting posts from Lemmy.ml on their feeds because this “curated” discussion is basically the memetic equivalent of an engineered virus, and it cannot be allowed to spread.
Lemmy.ml is a massive instance. I don’t really know where are you lurking, probably in political communities and post and thus this reaction. But I follow lots of communities that are hosted on Lemmy.ml and they are just normal communities about their topics, normally technology. I certainly do not want to lose those communities of having to move my accounts around just because you had some problems with some particular people. Block them yourself and move on.
I don’t get why there’s always people in small places that are always doing their best to make them even smaller. Lots of goods things are lost this way. We must be clever in trying to preserve and make this good things thrive. And, believe me I’ve been in lots and lots and lots of small community driven projects, this kind of attitude is no good for them.
I’ve been saying this for like 6 months.
.ml is just a filter for Hexbear and lemmygrade users to infiltrate the greater federated instances.
I block them
So, you want people to miss out on cat pictures because your feelings were hurt?
What’s funny is that Lemmy.ml users aren’t seeing this neolib nonsense because OP is temp. banned.
my face when i signed up for lemmy.ml 2 months ago for fun and now they’re being called 5 different political terms
(their sign up verification test was “what is two plus two” back then)
taaz@biglemmowski.win 8 months ago
Welcome to federation, where basically every instance is a proxy to all others.
Btw you are also free to block any instance yourself.
ech@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Unfortunately blocking an instance only blocks posts on that instance, not users from it, which is the main issue people have with those instances.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah it’s a very common misconception, I find it weird that people are still having it though when 0.19 is widely available.
Maybe they’re just saying it as a way to be dismissive of the issue, this kind of stuff happens often when people report or call to attention malicious instances or malicious users.
Hanrahan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think thays a good compromise. if you then have an issie with a particular user you can block them individually.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I’m actually mostly fine with blocking instances myself. Users from troll instances rarely annoy me.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I use Connect for Android, and when I block an instance it blocks the users too. Their comments are still here, but sort of spoiler tagged.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not how the instance blocking feature works. it’s a common misconception because people don’t read the docs and just assume it does what they think it does. From the News Section on Join-Lemmy:
It’s not an alternative or replacement to defederation, not even close. I’m really surprised this misconception still persists even after widespread adoption of 0.19.x across the Lemmy network.
bouh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So you don’t care about the instance you want to ban all the users from there. That’s quite open minded and tolerant!