Draconic_NEO
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 weeks ago:
I think piefed’s biggest proponents lie about this because it is one of the more unappealing aspects of piefed, and there isn’t really a way to sugarcoat it. Social credit score based on the votes of others is just a shitty way of running a social platform.
Humans as social creatures already have innate fear of social rejection, and Karma/Social Credit systems on platforms that punish rejection just feed that dark pattern even more aggressively. It’s really not something I would elect to use after going through Reddit’s version of Karma. Especially because Piefed’s is ever more conditional (they can blacklist communities from counting towards your score positively but you still lose score points from those communities).
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 weeks ago:
It’s a score that is controlled by other people, which causes restrictions if it gets too low.
It’s moderation by popularity. I can’t and won’t support that.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 weeks ago:
Reddit Karma is not good, I don’t want a Karma system on the Fediverse. That was one of the worst things about Reddit. Karma is essentially ass-kissing points, you get them for kissing ass, and you loose them for making people butt-hurt.
I can’t support that, it creates nasty psychological patterns that make people prone to siding with popularity and not with what’s right.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 weeks ago:
Yup that’s the way to go. Actually my first client I used for Lemmy (Liftoff) made multiple accounts really easy since you could switch feeds and accounts in one click and quickly. But even if you just use multiple accounts on the web switching between tabs or using Tesseract isn’t that difficult.
- Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem 2 weeks ago:
Basically, when you tolerate the intolerant, tolerance dies. You need social rules to maintain the order, that means some beliefs need to be culled by kicking out or silencing those who are dangerous.
- Comment on Piracy communities remain blocked on lemmy.world despite "Unremoval of Piracy Communities" announcement 2 weeks ago:
They’ll probably whine when it gets defederated due to hosting libertarian freeze peach trolls. Which often happens with no-defed instances.
- Comment on Piracy communities remain blocked on lemmy.world despite "Unremoval of Piracy Communities" announcement 2 weeks ago:
People on the Fediverse need to learn sooner or later that instances don’t exist for them to access the rest of the fediverse. They exist to be and host their own communities. From the first perspective defederation might seem antithetical to the purpose of an instance, but from the second perspective it isn’t.
It makes much more sense.
- Comment on Piracy communities remain blocked on lemmy.world despite "Unremoval of Piracy Communities" announcement 2 weeks ago:
Ultimately when you criticize censorship you ultimately get a bunch of Freeze peach libertarians who want to do whatever they want and see moderation as something to fear. That’s why it’s important to be precise and not speak in broad or abstract terms when criticizing censorship.
- Comment on so... dubvee and dubvee tesseract shut down. 7 months ago:
This sucks, I hope someone forks it before it breaks. Either that or hopefully most of its nice features get ported/added to Photon. So mods don’t have to end up living without them.
- Comment on so... dubvee and dubvee tesseract shut down. 7 months ago:
Just wish that Photon had the same features as Tesseract. I do think Photon looks better but Tesseract is way more functional. It has Fediseer integration, has MBFC integration, and also has better options for user management.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Instagram and threads (and parts of the clusterfuck that is facebook) are written in python and seem to have scaled fine.
How much of them? Parts being made in python isn’t the same as your whole backend being written in 90% or nothing but python. But I guess we’ll see.
If a new python release breaks compatibility, Piefed can keep using the old version of python.
Technically yes, though I wonder how long that would last if the next jump is anything like the last. I can already imagine the people bitching about “SeCUriTy” just like many were when people talked about maintaining backwards compatibility or keeping python2 support in the days of the transition to python3.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
I mean, maybe? I don’t know, I don’t live in that mirror universe where python supplanted JS. Though considering how hard the push was to abandon and burn down python2, I have a feeling even if it was a web scripting language the same push would’ve happened and it would’ve just broken a lot more stuff since you know “sECuRiTY”.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
That’s nice that he did it but the fact that he gives the option to turn it off without forking isn’t good, the reason why Lemmy’s modlog is so great is because it isn’t optional, and while you could modify your own Lemmy instance to hide and disable it, you’d need to break mod action federation to completely remove it. By not being optional it is more resilient. Piefed though makes it easy for corrupt or non-accountable admins to turn it off and hide who did what and when. Just like it is on Reddit.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.
Maybe it seems that way since mods don’t always or often yield to pressure on YPTB, but if there wasn’t a modlog or if they could hide it and not announce actions publicly. We wouldn’t even know. People would still complain about their bans but there would be no public evidence. No one could make a critical assessment based on the public evidence it would be the banned person’s word against the mods. That’s what a life without the modlog is, that’s what it is on Reddit. I do not believe that real people want to go back to that. Server admins and mods maybe but not people.
On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed
I believe the second, third, and possibly the fourth one are coming in later Lemmy versions.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
That’s not what it says in the building healthy communities section. It said that upvotes in “low quality communities” aren’t counted but downvotes are.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
I don’t really agree that it’s an attempt to centralize the fediverse but I do think that the push and praise for it feels extremely unnatural, especially how people are bragging about liking and wanting the reputational features of it, and being able to hide the modlog. Like dude those are the biggest reasons people left Reddit, and now suddenly “people” are just going gaga for those same anti-features. That seems more than fishy to me…
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
I think votes in general should not be private, because this is like a public plaza what you say is public, and attaching a reputation because of down votes is dangerously bullying and a slippery slope, so piefed doesn’t actually feel like my pie at the moment.
I agree with this, both of these things are bad on their own but together they are extremely bad. Like it encourages the same groupthink as there is on Reddit while also allowing easy vote manipulation to help yourself and hurt others. Really bad combination.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Don’t forget that admins can literally turn the modlog off on their instance to hide mod actions from others and who did them. How can anyone think that accountability limiting features is a good thing, especially coming from Reddit.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Yeah this is like the worst feature of Reddit taken to the extreme by the ability to filter out upvotes from communities, but still allowing downvotes from those communities to hurt your score. I can’t support a platform like that.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
I agree, canceling a software over that is just purely reactionary, an opensource software no less.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
I mean it’s my first account, and also the only one I use on Lemmy.world communities.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Oh thanks, I think that’s the first time someone’s said it to me on Lemmy. Which is weird since I’ve had multiple others before. This account is two years old, and I have other accounts too.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Yes I don’t think that demolishing whole ecosystems is a good thing. I think that it’s a shitty mentality of wanting shiny and new shit and fixing what isn’t broken. I am a believer in legacy support and I find it weird and concerning to see and hear people complain about it. You do realize that if Python had been the Web’s scripting engine instead of JS, a lot of Websites would’ve been, and still would be trashed and unusable due to said breaking changes with zero regard for legacy support. Thankfully that wasn’t the case, but it does go to show that legacy support and backwards compatibility is important.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Are you denying the problem of Backwards compatibility with python versions? It was and still is a big problem today. I’m still seeing the affects of that though many communities. I don’t really think it’s only good for tinkering but I know its developers clearly do, otherwise they wouldn’t have subjected us to the transition from python 2.7 to python 3 and people wouldn’t have been so eager to comply with them dropping python 2.7 support before you could say bitrot.
Yeah somehow that doesn’t give me much confidence for the future.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Admins can turn it on/off, I’ve turned it on for my instance. quokk.au/modlog
That’s still not really much better. It should be on by default, the whole reason there’s a modlog is for liability. Hiding the modlog isn’t doing anyone any favors, don’t try to tell me that there’s merit to that. Obfuscation of mod actions is hiding them from accountability.
So what you’re saying is that they have a Social Credit Karma system like Reddit does? I already hate it.
Not that I’m aware of, members can see what percentage others vote (i.e. do you vote 100% downvotes?) but that’s about it. Mods and admins can see a reputation metric, but that’s not forward facing to the public and simply a way for bad faith actors to be flagged.
Piefed puts weight on votes, the software punishes for being downvoted a lot. Therefore this is in a sense a social credit system. And it’s made worse by the fact that you can exclude upvotes from counting but downvotes still count in there, so you can make it very difficult to earn
social creditreputation but easy to lose it. That’s not acceptable to me, that’s worse than the environment on Reddit. This isn’t a good thing. - Comment on lemmy.blahaj.zone has setup a piefed instance. 8 months ago:
Yeah I’m not going to move to that either, also private votes seems like it’ll be a nightmare. Good luck combating all but the most obvious vote manipulation.
- Comment on lemmy.blahaj.zone has setup a piefed instance. 8 months ago:
Dude there’s a built in social credit system that aims to embarrass or discredit people for having been downvoted too much, that’s very different than an admin building their own tools to create that kind of echo chamber, they hand these tools out to everyone on a silver platter. They’re on by default, literally every piefed server started with the default settings will have these. It’s very different than specific admins choosing to create a platform like that with integrations. This type of social credit system is built right in.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
It is reactionary to want to cancel an open source project or codebase based on grievances with a particular person or their opinions.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
Some people for some reason want to cancel or boycott lemmy as a software because they think it’ll hurt the Devs, which is stupid because this is open source software. Not only do the Devs get nothing from people using it without donating but they can’t stop people from using it either, and since it’s opensource, they can’t stop people from modding/forking it either. This whole movement to cancel Lemmy is just reactionary garbage.
- Comment on Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy 8 months ago:
- Image-heavy communities can have a tiled/masonry view, like piefed.social/c/pics@lemmy.world
So what you’re saying is that they have a
Social CreditKarma system like Reddit does? I already hate it.- Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.
Oh a really strict social credit system. Yeah fuck piefed for sure. It’s already bad enough that people maliciously downvote comments on lemmy with alts, giving power to their votes will just make that shit worse.