Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year::Tesla may agree to buy the truck back at the original price minus “$0.25/mile driven” and any damages and repairs.
Hey look, freedom!
Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year
Submitted 11 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-first-year-2023-11
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Synthead@lemmy.world 11 months ago
FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Not sure what you are talking about. I have the freedom to not sign some dumbass agreement with tesla and not purchase a shitty looking cyber truck, and I will use that very freedom. No one is being forced to take this deal.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
You have the freedom as long as it stays niche. Having no protections against such practices means they have a chance of becoming so commonplace as to be unavoidable.
tabular@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Just don’t buy it” is a time-limited argument. If it becomes the norm to require signing a contract for ownership then you’ll have to argue “just don’t buy a car”. If you don’t like cars then maybe that’s okay but for other items that position sucks ass.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Pfft, look at this cat over here…Why would you not want to own a life size version of a poorly made pinewood derby car-truck? I, for one, am willing to let them install a 5G chip in my brain as an accountabili-buddy. I bet I survive at least 3 months with the bill gates chip!
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The dumbass agreement is the problem.
Imagine this:
If I were the second hand buyer of such a vehicle (yes, that means the original buyer has violated the dumbass agreement), would you say then that I am bound to the dumbass agreement too?
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Freedom for scalpers! Yay!
StickyLavander@lemm.ee 11 months ago
“ Given the subscription model of much of the software Tesla EVs use, resale can be complicated. The Full Self-Driving feature, which costs up to $199 per month, is not transferable to a new owner, Fast Company reported.”
Just another reason I’m never buying
milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 11 months ago
$199 per month?! Fuck me that’s moronic.
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
You don’t understand. It’s not like the self-driving feature is just software where they can price it at whatever they want. It’s physically consuming brain cells every month. And those aren’t free you know!
spoiler
Do I really need a \s tag for this or does this tin foil hat make me look fat?
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Especially when you realize how bad, unfinished, and dangerous it is. You’re literally paying to be a rash test dummy / AI trainer for them. They should pay YOU.
greenmarty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
For my region it’s one time fee 9k $ “only”.
It is hilarious given the fact you can’t legally use it so it turns into better break asistent 😅sirdorius@programming.dev 11 months ago
They should make a discount for every person the self driving software hits. That shit would be basically free.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s just the new subscription cost. It is meant a san alternative to the full purchase cost.
As functionality has been added, the price has increased over the years, the current price is $12,000 for the FSD upgrade over basic Autopilot.
The subscription also lets you try it out and cancel if you don’t want it instead of having to make the decision up front for thousands of dollars.
agent_flounder@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wait so another owner can never have that or…?
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I mean it’s not actual “full self drive” to begin with. It’s a lame impersonation of more advanced self driving vehicles that aren’t even being sold yet. That doesn’t matter to the elon fans though.
The lie that actually gets people killed, while also tainting the overall perception of autonomous vehicles. Thanks elon.
clutch@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s just that the license isn’t transferable. The second owner has to (re)license the software from Tesla. Irrespective of whether the seller has a “perpetual” license.
poppy@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I read it as the second owner would have to pay for it themselves to (re)unlock it. So Tesla would get paid twice for the feature in one car.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
When I sell you my PC, you don’t get all my software licenses, games, and my internet service for free with it. You have to get your own licenses / subscriptions to those.
luthis@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
Capitalism is so schizophrenic. Is supply and demand in a free market meant to decide the value of goods or not?? If regulations and penalties are required, why not across the board??
anlumo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
A company is not capitalism. Pure capitalism without any regulation doesn’t work, because it tends towards having one big company that controls everything. However, every single company by itself strives towards that goal, bribing politicians to get its way when necessary. Thus, if those bribes go unpunished (like through the Citizens United decision in the US), capitalism eventually eliminates itself.
rchive@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Tesla doesn’t want some other company to buy all its vehicles and turn around and sell them at a higher price, damaging the press around the Tesla brand and stopping its cars from getting to would-be Tesla super fans. It’s the same reason stores will sometimes say “limit 2 per customer” on certain items.
That’s one reason, anyway.
fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
If regulations and penalties are required, why not across the board??
for thee, not for me
as always
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s all well and good in theory but when you have a hit item to sell, you don’t want to make scalpers rich doing it. Absolute freedom = shit show every time. Peolle really need to grow up and learn how to be conservatives without being literalist absolutists about every damn thing.
luthis@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
you don’t want to make scalpers rich doing it
But why not? Surely people have the freedom to spend their money on legal goods?
I understand the situation; Tesla can’t make money selling to the general public at scalper rates, and scalpers are somewhat eating into Tesla profits. It’s all a scheme to ensure money goes to corporations first. That’s why the pharmaceutical industry is so fucked.
torpak@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
The best solution to this problem is not to buy one in the first place.
trachemys@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It is bizarre how much of a comic book villain Musk has turned in to.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What do you mean “Turned into” ?
EnderMB@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He probably always was a bit of a right-wing loon, but everything about him over the last few years screams “cry for help”.
If he were a normal pleb, he’d have probably lost his job, or had a friend tell him that he needs to seek professional help. Because he’s a billionaire, I assume people just say he’s “eccentric” and laugh while people push him to do more crazy shit.
He doesn’t realise it, but people are laughing at him, not with him. He’s a performing monkey for the apathetic, and aspirational for the morally questionable.
JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think the correct phrasing should be “turned out to be”
III@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Apparently some people are okay with extreme racism so long as you convert it into money first.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There was a time when he was like “watch this, I’m going to make the entire auto industry go electric to help save the planet.”
And he has pretty much done that. Great for him. But yeah other shit like his antisemitism and childish tweet wars have dialed up in recent years. Now he’s ruining Twitter itself because he doesn’t believe in content moderation or rules of engagement in a forum. Unless it’s tweeting already-public data about his plane transponder! Oh then it’s wrong! His pro-Texas bullshit and his anti-union bullshit has gotten stronger and stronger. He’s posting pictures of his gun now.
Yeah. The guy has changed. Maybe this is always who he was going to be. Maybe this was always who he wanted to be. But he wasn’t necessarily this guy, always, outwardly.
Coreidan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Jokes on them. I’d never buy one of these hilariously abhorrent piles of shit.
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I used to think Teslas were cool. Now I just see the specter of Elon. Regardless, these look like a test for suckers.
ashok36@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I honestly would rather have a cyber truck than a generic F150. Fuck Musk though, so I’ll pass.
scottywh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s a reason Ford sells so many F150s.
They’re great trucks.
AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Behind the wheel of one, I’d feel like an asshole.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Have you actually encountered a Tesla in the wild? They actually are all assholes.
Kevnyon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
While this is an asshole move, companies like Ferrari do stuff like this too. They, for example, do not allow certain modifications on their cars and if they find out that you have done them, they will ask you to restore those parts back to originals. It is unreal how much car companies try to get from us.
frostwhitewolf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Papa Enzo knows best. Don’t understand how that’s legal unless it’s some sort of lease agreement
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Well, you’re welcome to not buy a Ferrari if you don’t like the strings attached, right?
Donjuanme@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Implying this, less attractive than a Lego brick, thing is as desirable as a Ferrari is… Insane
AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 11 months ago
Can I mount a towing hook for my camper?
tux@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Forget the obvious bullshit that is being unable to sell it. What’s this about autopilot/FSD not being transferable?
Who the hell would buy this monstrosity of a truck. Be sure not to buy FSD since it will be a lost cost and never recouped for a capability that really doesn’t work yet. $12,000 down the drain.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you pre ordered it, you locked in the fsd price at the time which was 7k I believe.
If you add FSD to a trade in service, you’ll get 2-3000 back.
So it’s not as terrible a deal as buying it at full price right now.
Broccoli@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Who would buy it? The same type of people buying new BMWs. We all hate them, but they sell like crazy.
Uniquitous@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Absolute deal-breaker. I will not be dictated to on what I may or may not do with my personal private property, beyond the bounds of the law.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Isn’t the fact that the thing is ugly and poorly-designed more of a deal-breaker?
Obi@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Well here’s the thing, they don’t want it to be your personal private property, nevermind that you bought it they still want it to be theirs.
Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Because otherwise, you would have bought one.
sugarfree@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You weren’t buying one anyway, what a weird comment.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Did you write this on a PC or iPhone?
notannpc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s shit behavior that should be illegal, but I also can’t feel bad for any moron that sees this truck and still agrees to buy it.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In this situation there would be two morons
filister@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As much as I dislike Musk, I think this is a right move, as scalpers became a real plague during Covid.
But I am genuinely curious if they will ever sell it outside the US. This design seems far too dangerous for pedestrians and I can’t believe that EU authorities would approve it. Aren’t car trunks supposed to be of a very soft aluminium which is supposed to soften slightly the impact on a pedestrian in case of an accident?
Plus correct me if I am wrong but what happens if you have a small accident? Are they going to charge you for the full cast? Why aren’t people more concerned about this? The repairability of this car looks terrible.
Squirrel@thelemmy.club 11 months ago
So is this thing actually called a “Cybertruck”? Because that sounds like something my 7-year-old would come up with.
AA5B@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is great: I was so frustrated by lack of availability for XBox, from all the scalpers. Same with tickets to pretty much everything. Same with Raspberry Pi. Look at how the eEVs like the Hummer and Lightning were hurt by both dealers and scalpers making vehicles hard to get and excessively priced
Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 11 months ago
damn its ugly af
Donjuanme@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Implying they produce enough to sell any at all, anyone is dumb enough to buy one, anyone if dumb enough to buy it off another dummy who bought one.
This is just Tesla stirring up a story, and trying to make it seem like anyone wants one of these monstrosities, and that they can make them.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Cool what game is this
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
I can’t wait to make fun of one of these in the wild. What a stupid, ugly vehicle.
neeeeDanke@feddit.de 11 months ago
How is that legal?
TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How is this legal in the US given the first sale doctrine?
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 11 months ago
This sounds like the kind of thing Ferrari does, that people accept because if you own a Ferrari you’re kinda part of an exclusive club of rich assholes. Teslas are expensive but they’re not “exclusive club” expensive, they’re more like BMWs.
spaham@lemmy.world 11 months ago
is this even legal ?
snek@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sorry, I don’t want to buy a car that looks like old Tomb Raider where Lara’s boobs are triangular.
labrat55@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is a good thing!
It will reduce the number of flippers that but the truck just to sell it for more the next day.
WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I recently saw one of these in the wild and they’re even more ridiculous looking in person. The photos don’t do it justice lol
Zerlyna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wonder how many people signed up for the intent of flipping and will now back out. 🤞
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That vehicle looks like its trying too hard to be futuristic.
paridoxical@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So, basically you can rent one of these pieces of shit for a while year, for free, as long as you cover the gas and milage fees? Cool cool. I personally wouldn’t take one if you paid me to, but that seems like a good deal for some people who may want to take advantage.
skeezix@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It was just up until last year that I dreamt of owning a Tesla. But now with all this shit and musk’s shit I’d be ashamed to own one.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I mean, if assholes can buy and flip houses, I should be able to buy and flip my poorly built cyber truck.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is, surprisingly, not that unusual for vehicles in high demand. It’s to prevent flipping.
GM does it on certain vehicles as well:
gmauthority.com/…/gm-restrains-customers-from-fli…
(the C8 Corvette Z06, GMC Hummer EV, and Cadillac Escalade-V if you want to know without clicking the link.)
thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 11 months ago
GM wasn’t harsh enough IMHO. They should have black listed people who immediately flipped base C8s for significantly more than MSRP. Base C8s (not Z51) going for over 100k, with Mike’s on them, was fucking ridiculous.
I’ll say it now: car dealers are useless dinosaurs and there is no point to having them anymore. I don’t need a dealer to tell me what options I want on my car. I can select those on a webpage after I’ve reviewed the available options. I need a place to take my car for service if it’s a factory failure / warranty work. I can do the rest myself or pay another focused professional to do the work.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Yeah, pretty much every Hummer EV I saw was at a dealership lot, used, and marked up $100k
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I really like your second paragraph!
thejml@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Agreed, but I absolutely need somewhere to test drive the car as well before purchasing. There’s no way I would buy a car without it.
tabular@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m no fan of flipping/scalping but the choice of the degradation of ownership is much worse. If they really own the car then they aught to be able to resell it.
Prediction; this will extend beyond just high end cars.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Like with other manufacturers with similar limitations, the limitation for resale is only for the first year. It literally is just to try and prevent people buying and flipping the car for a profit. If you don’t like the vehicle you can sell it back to Tesla outside the normal return window. Or wait a year and sell it to someone else.
Stoney_Logica1@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Real estate and Ticketmaster: “Fuck yeah, flip that shit and inflate our markets to insanity!”
Auto industry: “Fuck you, pay me.”
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Ticketmaster owns the resale sites too. And the venue.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Ford notoriously sued John Cena for exactly that reason with his Ford GT
Parabola@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Dealerships are the biggest scalpers.
kadu@lemmy.world 11 months ago
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Shame though. Would absolutely love to see a guy with a garage full of these things because he couldn’t find enough crypto bros to gouge.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I imagined them stacked on top of each other haphazardly, piled up in a garage with a sad white 30ish year old guy standing in the driveway looking sad.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 11 months ago
Kinda curious why the company doesn’t raise their prices to fit demand then, since clearly, demand exists that allows those products to be sold for more (else the scalpers couldn’t profit). Not saying they should charge more, I’m just curious why an entirely profit-driven entity like a company wouldn’t charge as much for something as demand would allow for, it seems out of character?
jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Part of it is allowing the dealers to profit. If they price too high, there’s no wiggle room and incentive for the dealers to order the car.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Same with Ford F150 Lighting when it came out. Not sure if it still stands.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s to prevent ~flipping~ scalping
jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Somehow I get this weird feeling that the cybertruck will flip all on its own. ;)