Submitted 3 weeks ago by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65174189
Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the “evils of communism.”
Funny how “communism always fails on its own” or “is a failed ideology”, yet is/was so significant, that it has to have it own special section.
And also an embargo and constantly plagued by the US.
Exactly and constantly and incessantly propagandized
Or that it has to be taught as an “inherently authoritarian ideology” and/or that it means <bad thing happening under capitalism>.
“The socialist housing plan” tweet hahah
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
We see this a lot with the right
Ooohhh will this be like the DARE program and actually end up converting students to support communism??
I know I learned a LOT about recreational drugs from school <3
Some polticail staffer from PragerU at a high school teaching kids.
PragerU staffer walks in and grabs a chair turns it backwards. Turns their baseball cap backwards
“For real, we bussin about the evils of communism. We capping 67 about how communism punishes billionaires. We going to ohio all over capitalism.”
As soon as I saw the headline, I said, “I hope this is exactly as effective as D.A.R.E.”
I’m a GenXer and I have literally been fed anti-communist propaganda since I was a very small child. It’s only in the last 20 years or so that I finally “woke up” and realized how absolute bullshit it all really is.
I don’t think this is necessarily due to age. I think it’s just that circumstances have made capitalism look so bad that you realize that the propaganda was exactly that.
Also gen X & I remember always playing as the U.S.S.R. in any game that let me choose because of the absolute banger of a national anthem!
I went to one of the very posh UK universities where they’re split into smaller colleges, and my friend’s college would play the Soviet National anthem at the end of every big party that was hosted in the college bar. The college student union had even passed a motion mandating that.
It was a surreal experience to see. A large chunk of people loved this tradition, but for very different reasons. There were a decent number who were straight up communists (or at least sufficiently left wing that they loved the political subversiveness of celebrating this song at such a posh university); Some people liked it ironically, for the meme (of the anthem-enjoyers, this faction were typically the poshest of the bunch); meanwhile, some people just thought the song was a banger — in my view, on this matter, these were the most based of them
The Civ 1 music was menacing and awesome. It reminded me of the Imperial March from The Empire Strikes Back.
first, so theres no confusion. i am against this program and its a facist move. i want to take a detour on your comment.
this article is more about socialism but people always confuse the two. i am a capitalist who believes in socialist programs. i believe in public health care, free public schooling (include universoty), and universal basic income. please use mybtaxes to pay for all of it.
capitalism is about owning your own busisness, ehich i agree with and does not conflict with everything socialism. not everything needs to be privately owned but we should have the freedom to privately own a business.
but your comment wasnt on socislism but communism. i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country? i genuinely want to know. communism doesnt support private property either and thats very important to me. i am also genx and for most of my kife, i have been happy with my country. my ideal president was barrack obama.
now that this country is becoming religous facist at the highest levels, i have thought aboit leaving so again , i wasnt being snarky. if i loved communism, i wouod have left.
sorry for the long comment, i judt hope you see i have a genuine curiosity, which is hard to communicate in a forum.
i have an honest question and not a snarky one, if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
You say this is honest, but this question has never been asked in good faith. Is the only reason you live where you live because the economic system it uses? Do you have no ties to the area besides? No family or history, or national pride? No job or property, or friends, or anything else? Do you speak every language and are accepted and accepting of every culture, so you can just go anywhere and feel at home?
Anyone who asks this can fuck right off. At minimum, seeing issues and wanting to fix them for other people is enough of a reason to stay and try to change things. If you can’t see why people don’t want to uproot their lives to go somewhere else, even if that somewhere else existed and was exactly what they wanted, you aren’t actually being honest.
if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
First, there are no truly communism countries. Just authoritarian ones that use communism method of control. And now we live in an authoritarian country that uses capitalism as a method of control.
I also didn’t say anything about “loving communism”, whatever that is supposed to mean.
Prager U doesn’t make a distinction between socialism and communism. That’s the same propaganda we all got growing up in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Conflating one thing with another. And that is the problem. Prager U is going to tell kids that paying taxes so that a poor person can eat is communism and taking your property away to give it to someone who doesn’t want to work for a living. They’re going to tell kids that taxing rich people will prevent them from having enough money to create jobs for good hard working Americans. And that giving things away for free will make people not want to work.
These are the same lies we grew up with. Only with the failed state of the USSR as a “good example” of how communism(socialism) always fails. Ignoring the fact that it was deep corruption and authoritarian rule that actually destroyed the USSR.
if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?
If you don’t like people with a different world view why don’t you move to israel?
I already kind of wrote off any kids raised in Florida. It’s like Mississippi or Alabama at this point.
As a Mississippi communist I resemble this statement.
As a Mississippi communist
Damn. Talk about being behind enemy lines! 😬
May you spread the revolution even into your forsaken land
Unfortunately they all grow up into Florida Man and Florida Woman in the end.
Other states should require to disclose the if you are coming from those states so you can be quarantined as someone with mental issues.
I’m from there. If everyone is so shitty, then why did Alabama have to be gerrymandered. You know Mississippi is just lots of black folks mostly? But yeah, the white folks are all nuts down here
FWIW, wp:Mississippi Miracle.
This country hasn’t been at risk of going communist in eighty years. The right are such scared fucking babies.
It’s just propaganda. It’s not anti communist it’s pro capitalism/imperialism and ultimately pro fascism.
They want to brand Socialism as Communism so we stay stuck in Tickle Down delusions
Maybe let them cook, if this is as moronic as it sounds, maybe it will turn out like D.A.R.E.
This is a stupid idea, but I have faith kids will smell the BS
Anti-communist education works weirdly well, and it might include boring-ass liberalism as a “genocidal ideology”, but not due to complicitness in wars, but due to abortion, etc.
I think anti-communist education works much better when a.) the majority of people aren’t suffering massively under capitalism and b.) when you don’t have a collapsing “communist” nation across the pond with which to say “We told you so!”. It’s way easier to point to the wonders of capitalism when you see people pulling themselves out of poverty by working their 9-5 factory job and raising 4 kids on a single income, and much harder when that system is now making you finance a $5 burrito, with interest.
Remember, kids: if communism is evil and communism is “taking your hard-earned money away and giving it to people who refuse to work,” then it’s your duty to demand the government stops those communist bailouts given to corporations that can’t support themselves.
“You see, kids. The free market can be a harsh teacher, but it is a good teacher, and while Altman will whine and cry about not getting any government money, what he needs is to learn a definite lesson from the free market—for his good, for our good, for the good of the American economy.”
Kind of like the DARE program this will backfire and create communist.
We’re already in the Red Scare III™️
This is the beginning of the cleanse.
DARE probably got a lot of kid’s parents thrown in jail.
Let’s not forget the foster children to didler pipeline that is apparently foundational to the modern conservative movement.
We have to get these kids isolated and institutionalized so the rich people can abuse them. The orphan crushing machine needs blood.
I could actually sell this: “Communism is way less fun than drugs, kids.”
The Dare program I went through must have been wildly different than everyone else’s. Our police were local and usually parents of students and it was way more targeted at being safe and not feeling pressured into taking drugs. It def pushed the legal side of heavier drugs but was very specific about marijuana and making sure you are safe and I’m a safe place if you end up taking it.
DARE programs were notoriously ineffective. Some studies found that students who went through it were MORE likely to try drugs.
I also had a fairly friendly cop come in for our DARE classes when I was a kid. They also basically just said “drugs are always bad, just say no, if you don’t your whole life is ruined.”
They didn’t talk about why people use drugs. They lied or exaggerated negative effects. They discouraged any critical thinking about it. It was not a good program.
My DARE program had the cop dads but none of the safety and safe place stuff. I would attribute it to the mixed racial makeup of my district, if the comparison stands up to yours. The DARE cops talked about gangs more than anything.
Ours definitely didn’t convey anything about “make sure you are in a safe space if you end up taking it”, it was fully “don’t do it, it’s evil!” and was so over the top that it definitely backfired for many kids. I also think that their practice of showing kids sealed samples of said drugs de-mystified them and made some kids curious.
I too immediately thought of DARE.
Yep that is the what we are talking about. A utter failure.
Using schools for political indoctrination, misinformation, and propaganda in violation of student and teachers Constitutional rights? Yeah, sounds like Florida.
Every school in the country has always been used for indoctrination, misinformation, and propaganda. It’s just what capitalists have to do to convince everybody to support a system that benefits the rich at the expense of everyone else.
Suggest an alternative that actually works? The Nordic countries and those with pension/single payer are also capitalist.
A healthcare/retirement system doesn’t change your economic model unless you did something really wrong (like the United States did).
If you’re a student, then your entire life has been shadowed by MAGA, or the feckless Biden administration. No wonder their attitude toward Democracy sucks, and alternatives like Socialism or Communism sound like a more viable system than the broken system they know.
Democracy doesn’t truly exist under capitalism.
Uh, yeah. It’s capitalism that sucks. You can still have socialism and communism with democracy. There are several countries in existence now that have those things. No one hates democracy, except the politicians in power who want to keep it.
No one is a fan of authoritarianism. That is what we are currently getting, and we’re getting it under capitalism. Funny, it’s almost like the economic organization is only important to keep those who would cheat it from attaining the power to keep it all for themselves.
Hmmm.
You can still have socialism and communism with democracy. There are several countries in existence now that have those things
Can you name at least 3?
Had a friend’s son tell me, very insistently, that Kim Jong Un convinced everyone in his county that he doesn’t poop. Also, that he’s planning to nuke South Korea, and we need to do something to stop him.
This was a kid with very liberal parents going to a very liberal middle school.
Red Scare shit is already everywhere. But I guess we’ve got to keep cranking the hysteria up to 11
The hyper capitalist south is by no means great but I’d rather that than a disappearance state with cardboard walls. Authoritarianism is bad regardless of economic structure.
Yes, because north Koreans must have a gene for authoritarianism or something. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with having all of its towns destroyed and 20% of its population killed by the US in a savage bombing campaign where more bombs were dropped than in the entirety of WW2, and have been under a deathly and relentless imperialist siege since.
I’d rather that than a disappearance state with cardboard walls
Would be crazy if South Korea had a massive, brutal police state or a long history of improvised slums and ruthless exploitation of it’s citizenry.
Good thing we’re sanctioning North Korea to the hilt, guaranting none of those horrible practices become common place throughout the Western aligned Asian states
i heard shit like this in school too. but it wasn’t from teachers or adults, just other idiot kids and i wasn’t dumb enough to take it as a definite truth, though i did consider it plausible.
I heard that one about Kim a few times, alongside some more crazy “What the people actually believe” and it scares me. Do some actually believe such obvious nonsense, or are they all loudly claiming to believe it knowing the consequences for wrongthink? Do they think they’re the only ones with a working brain and everyone else is brainwashed, or do they understand they’re all in the same boat?
Or maybe is none of it real, I’ll be honest I cant even prove North Korea even exists, I’ve only seen it on maps and on TV, on the same medium that brought me Ghost busters.
Uhh? So, like… Fascism propaganda classes?
They already do that weird culty “Pledge of Allegiance”, the soil is fertile for more brainwashing.
“Stop indoctrinating the children”
You can really smell the desperation in the air. The only reason to do this is because they know they’re pushing people to their breaking points.
If I’m anti-anti-communist, then I’m a communist.
And by that logic, if you’re anti-anti-facsist, the you are a fascist.
Just teach history. Teach history, without an agenda. It’s history class, not propaganda class. Teach history, not a nationalist narrative.
what a shithole
Death to capitalism and long live communism. Get fcked fascist piece of sht.
Let’s hope it works exactly as well as the state mandated abstinence only sex education, which is to say backfiring due to kids inherent rebelliousness
Alongside “Pedo Worship 101”?
Let me guess, they will teach the evils of empathy outright.
The kids will be okay. Exposure to the thing will foster critical thinking of the thing.
These people don’t see the evils of indoctrination? Teach history. Teach cause and effect and show the results. Then let people decide for themselves. This dumbing people down and telling them what to think isn’t helping anyone at all.
oh man. I so want to teach that class.
For fucks sake.
Guess TikTok really did a number on Western propaganda, at least in a couple of generations, and now America is even more afraid of losing their grip on narratives? Either way, that country is well and truly fucked, they’re just preparing for when the house of cards that is the American economy collapses and people need to be even more zombified to continue working and consuming. If the reputation of the American military crashes due to the new conflict in Iran (their reach and might have already been neutered in the region with billions in damaged and destroyed facilities), that might happen faster than expected. Hope American Lemmings either have enough money to be part of the new middle class or are seriously considering immigrating.
The people riding the book probably don’t even know what communism is.
“Why do I have to go to school, if when I come home you tell me everything they’re saying is bullshit!?”
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Silver lining:
Conservatives have learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the D.A.R.E. program…
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
My favorite thing from the DARE officers coming to school was them teaching us what street drugs looked and smelled like so we wouldn’t get ripped off buying oregano instead of weed 😃
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Our equivalent gave us recommended pricing to make sure we don’t get scammed.
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also, all the different common household things you never would have thought to huff that could be huffed to get you high. Someone out there is huffing freon apparently.
P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ooh I think I’ll try a little from column A , most of column B, and none from column Cor D. Thanks for the recommendation.
Beebabe@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I work with a dude who wears a D.A.R.E. shirt every day and he’s absolutely on drugs lol.
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
My wife used to wear a D.A.R.E. sweatshirt in college, we were always high as well. I don’t think anyone sports and dare merch unironically.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
FR for a lot of students this will just open the door to some very progressive discussion and realization.