Maybe Uber should be responsible for background checks of their drivers and hold them accountable for their actions and be able to fire them for misconduct. But that might require hiring drivers as actual employees. And then Uber could issue company vehicles.
Oh wait, I’m describing taxi companies that already existed before Uber.
The fact that we allow Uber/Lyft to operate as a way to skirt regulations that were put in place to keep people safe, and then trust Uber will implement work around solutions like this is ridiculous.
Same goes to AirBnB
Wammityblam@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Probably gonna get flak for this, but as a man, I have no issues if women want to stick with other women and I don’t particularly care if I have the option to pick whatever driver I want.
Obviously weirdness and sexual misconduct can occur to both men and women from both men and women, but it’s naive as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common.
Shirasho@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
No flak. I was gonna post the same thing. Women deserve to feel safe too.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The relationship between men and women (and generally all human interactions) in America has gotten so fucking weird. I agree that people should be able to take personal steps to keep themselves safe. My point is we are so rightfully fearful of each other here because we’ve completely abandoned the sense of unity in America. Our social safety net, sense of humanity, belief in the good in the world, justice system, and education is so poor it’s literally statistically unsafe to be alone with a stranger. It’s what happens to your society when hyper individualism takes hold and you end up with a nation of people thinking they are the main character.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Two people literally disagree with you that women should feel safe.
This is why these options are now available to women.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh please.
You know perfectly well it’s not a controversial opinion.
Wammityblam@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I only added it because I wasn’t sure if there was a population of man-children who feel slighted every time women get anything even remotely positive on Lemmy like there was on Reddit
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lemmy is filled with men right activists and misogynists that don’t hide.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If it wasn’t controversial MRA wouldn’t exist lol
BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a burley man with lots of facial hair, when I’m out for a run, if I’m passing a woman in an isolated area or if I’m passing someone, I do everything I can to look not threatening and alert people of my presence to not startle them. It’s unfortunate that it’s something I feel I need to do, but I’m not out there trying to scare anyone, but when I do on accident it feels like getting kicked in the nuts.
I’m very for women being able to make choices to protect themselves, especially when it’s something like this Uber stuff where it doesn’t hurt someone else. One could argue it could hurt a males revenue, but that would be a weak argument.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Fuck uber / lyft / skip / dash anyways.
dhork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I understand why women feel this is necessary, but I also understands that a policy like this paints all men with the same brush. It’s like they are saying “Since a small number of men are creeps, we give you the option to avoid all men”. Which seems to be counterproductive.
Meanwhile, Uber has invasive tracking, where they know everyone’s history. They know how many drives a customer has provisioned without incident. And I have always considered these rideshare things to be particularly safe, because all parties are consenting to the tracking.
If Uber had rolled this out and said “you have the option to avoid rides with the opposite gender without an established history in our files”, then I think I would have less of a problem with it. But it seems like I can do everything right, and be respectful of everyone, and give Uber shitloads of money, and still be potentially waiting longer for a ride, just because of my parts. How is that OK?
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Large numbers of men are creeps, and I say that as a man. That’s the issue, that’s why they’re doing this.
daychilde@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not about you. Repeat after me: It’s not about you. It’s about women who feel unsafe.
Most sexual assault is not reported.
And you will not be waiting longer, women who choose this service will be. So cut the pity party. You lose absolutely nothing.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Speaking as a man, the majority of men are creeps, but even if they weren’t, it wouldn’t be counterproductive. If it was, say, a 5% chance, one in twenty, that would be far and away high enough of a risk to make a move like this worthwhile. Hell even 1%. And we know the proportion is far greater than that.
No they don’t, single digit percentages of sexual harassment are ever even reported let alone followed up because almost nobody gives a shit about it. Someone’s squeaky clean history is basically indistinguishable from that of a serial creep.
Sadly, lots of things in the world aren’t ok. It’s tough out there.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yup, I’m also squarely in the “good for them, it doesn’t really affect me in the slightest and they deserve to feel safe” boat. But I also have a sneaking suspicion that the guys like us aren’t the ones who would be upset about this. The Venn diagram of “men who care about this” and “fucking creeps” is probably close to being two separate circles.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t it be a single circle?
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
100%. I feel better knowing that the women in my life have the ability to not ride around with some random dude. I have done Uber to make ends meet a number of times, and I’d happily accept the decrease in ridership if it means women are less scared.
new_world_odor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a smaller guy with a slightly feminine appearance (that I try to lean away from but how much can I do), I also fear men I don’t know (bad experiences) and wish that somehow I could choose too. But any sort of ‘qualified selection’ would guarantee someone slips through eventually, and that’s obviously not worth it. I’m not going to let jealousy and whataboutism get in the way of progress. On that note, I do worry slightly about how they’re verifying gender? If it’s by DL, this will affect trans folks in some states much more than others. If it’s not, then verification becomes a very big question mark.
I also can’t help but notice all the language is very passive, on one hand it makes sense they wouldn’t be able to guarantee anything but at the same time I find it so hard to trust passive language from any tech company, they’ve all abused my good faith of it into the ground. But I digress.
No flak just thoughts, concerns notwithstanding this is good to see overall. I’m sure Lyft will have to deploy something equivalent to stay competetive.
searabbit@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Lyft already has this feature, it’s called women+
yucandu@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not convinced. Every guy I know has a story about women being creeps to them, but ask them if they reported it, every single one of them will say no.
And for the very few that do try to report it? They’re usually laughed out of the room. My own mother said “oh but it’s cute when older women do it to younger guys”. That’s not a rare opinion, that’s the default in our culture.
So we don’t show up in any official statistics, because our culture discourages us from reporting, and is less likely to take us seriously if we do.
So no, I’m not convinced that men being weird to women is the most common by any margin. We haven’t even asked men.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hello. You now know me. I have none of those stories. Women have been nothing but respectful to me.
But if you’re comfortable sharing, I would love to hear your story about how you were harassed by a female Uber driver.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Man, that is not my experience at all.
I’m a guy. And even some of the things my (former) guy friends said about women and their relationships dropped my jaw. Same with some family.
The longer I love, the more I think “man… can my sex just not be such pricks? Please?” And is not even close to so prominant with women I’ve known, especially when I dive into the issues.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I think women drivers only wanting to pick up women is fine if thats what they want to do. That won’t negatively effect everyone else who is working. It only negatively effects your own potential at making your money.
But riders being able to select women drivers really takes a hard monetary hit against male drivers for the sake of being sexist.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Right, every single woman on the planet has had multiple uncomfortable, or even dangerous or violent, interactions with men, but people in this thread are pretending that it’s outrageous that someone is acknowledging that very obvious and well-known fact.
I’m a man, and I don’t blame women at all for avoiding us. I don’t know why every woman isn’t a lesbian. Men are generally awful.
dil@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
The issue is they feel safer, yet woman are used to traffick other woman because they feel safer around them.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the issue people are taking is with collective punishment and validating prejudice.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I don’t care as a man if women hate us anymore. So be it, I just want anyone who does not like me, as far the fuck away from me. I don’t trust other people, so why should other people trust me?
I expect other people to not trust me as much as I don’t trust them, and I act like it. I hate walking behind other people, I keep a distance from them as if they have corona, I detest bus rides, because I am crammed and forced into contact with other people. It is a horrific torture every day. I got my co-worker nothing for 8th march, because it can be misconstrued as something else, and I don’t want to risk that, would rather be seen as uncaring or a prick.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well said, complete and concise.