Comment on Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

• dhork@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Is there a technical definition of “large” that justifies this? If not, then this is all based on feelings.

  I think it’s bad news to generalize entire large groups like this, no matter how good the intentions are.

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  • GreenBeard@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There have been a few studies. Most estimates put it at around 20% of men engage in actively degrading behaviour, sexual harassment, or have had a history of sexual assault, with between 5-8% actually engaging in violence. It isn’t everyone, but it is around 1 in 5 which is not a small group that could be classified as “Creeps.” It’s a lot higher percentage of the population than, for example, the percentage of violent extremists among Muslims.

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  • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anecdotally, large by the fact that every single woman I know has experienced some form of sexual harassment. And that’s not hyperbolic.

    More abstract, large by the fact that it is even a discussion. If a not inconsequential amount of men have harassed women enough that this is just brought up at all, then it’s an issue that needs to be addressed in some form or fashion.

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    • dhork@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Right, but is this the best way to address this, by telling women “All men are the same, they will harass you, they can’t help themselves. So here, click this button and you will never have to pick one up?”

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      • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Best? Maybe not.

        But until the underlying social issue gets resolved, it’s a solution to address it.

        It’s also one that could be utilized alongside other protections for women, or as a stop gap to get to a better solution.

        They still will need to work out other ways to empower women to terminate a ride (both as driver and passenger) without penalty AND to ensure the passenger is let out of the vehicle in a safe place. Along with better reporting, investigations, and consequences for those who do harass.

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  • Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well yeah it’s based on feelings and it definitely just mindlessly repeating the extremely popular male bashing perspective the majority of fediverse users blindly accepts as dogma, but it’s also undeniably true. A very large number of us are creeps. If you’d like to get technical, we can pull sexual crimes stats of men vs females and see which number is larger… But, do we really have to?

    And it’s not that we’re inherently evil or perverse by nature. It’s that, more often than not, in one on one interactions we are the ones with the potential ability to physically dominate and coerce the human of the other sex. Every once in a while a man will delude himself, snap, explode or give in to whatever dark urge was brooding in him and use that ability in some horrible way.

    The probability of an individual of whatever demographic doing something horrible is = (the probability they have the urge to attempt the horrible thing) x (the probability they have the capacity to carry out the horrible thing). It’s really not that complicated.

    And If you think women would never do this if they had, on average, larger body frames, more strength and were brainwashed into seeking validation through dominance from an early age, please allow me to introduce you to the fascinating matriarchal pack dynamics of the spotted hyena, where females are larger and stronger than males. Guess which sex is more aggressive and socially dominant?

    It’s not that us men are evil. It’s that on average, we have physical power that more often than not, woman do not. Any form of power has the potential to corrupt, cause it can be used for evil and therefore, every once in a while, given a large enough time frame or population, it will.

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    • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      the extremely popular male bashing perspective the majority of fediverse users blindly accept as dogma, but it’s also undeniably true.

      It’s just true, we believe this stuff because it’s true.

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      • Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What is true, specifically?

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  • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You said “small numbers” first as the entire basis of your argument and now you pull the “feelings” card on me??!

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    • dhork@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, yeah, this is the same type of shit that is used to denigrate Muslims, or trans people, or any other marginalized group. “Some of them are violent, so we won’t trust all of them!”. I don’t think we really want to go there, much less with half the human race.

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      • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You dont think that or you dont feel that?

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