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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fossilesque@mander.xyz⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is how I feel on Sundays.

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    • lettruthout@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Me most mornings.

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      • diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everybody wants science to cure cancer, but the moment someone does foundational research they lose their fuckin minds.
    Guys, the alternative is cutting up mice and pigs.

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    • felixwhynot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, this is pretty far below the level of a mouse even, typically

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    • moonshadow@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All I want science to cure is billionaires, we’ll take it from there. Concentrations of wealth that enable making brains grow eyes are a bug, not feature. Ever read “Whitey’s on the Moon”?

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      • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That problem is very much one that’s beyond the domain of scientists. That’s like saying “All I want literature to do is decipher the genetic basis of cancer”. Trust me, if science were able to cure billionaires, it would.

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    • kureta@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Iam not sspecifically talking about this example and I am not trying to imply this tissue has any sort of consciousness but if “foundational research” means “man made horrors beyond my comprehension” maybe we need to find another way, and if we cannot, maybe we just shouldn’t torture conscious beings in the name of science and progress.

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      • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        1. Nature is full of horrors beyond your comprehension. If you want to make that less so, manmade horrors are the only way to do it.

        2. This is by no means torture, quite the opposite in fact. Neurons are little prediction machines, and if you don’t give them stimuli, they either make their own of degrade. Particularly in small clumps of cells like this, you can’t be sure of whether they’re conscious, but if they are, they’re having an amazing time learning about the light signals.

        3. That touches upon the actual issue here. We dont know if they’re conscious. We don’t have a solid idea of what consciousness is, where it comes from, what it consists of, or where the line is drawn. That’s the sort of knowledge you only get by performing these sorts of experiments.

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    • mad_djinn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      this has nothing to do with cancer. when will you people realize? Do you not question why Epstein was funneling billions of dollars into various scientific organizations intent on researching neuroscience?

      Or maybe you are already one of the golems.

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      • anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        this has nothing to do with cancer.

        Not directly, but this is furthering the state of the art in organelles, a tool that allows scientists to experiment on the exact tissue they are interested in, not just a animal substitute. That’s why it’s foundational research, as opposed to applying those findings to research a intervention for a specific cancer.

        Do you not question why Epstein was funneling billions of dollars into various scientific organizations intent on researching neuroscience?

        I don’t give a fuck if the pedo had delusions about neuroscience creating deaging, mindcontroll or whatever you are implying here.

        Or maybe you are already one of the golems.

        Now your just chucking out antisemitic dog whistles. And by that I mean actually antisemitism, not antizionism, so fuck of!

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      • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do you not question why Epstein was funneling billions of dollars into various scientific organizations intent on researching neuroscience?

        No, please explain.

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      • athatet@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This comment has some incredibly antisemitic vibes about it.

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  • gaiussabinus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have no mouth and I must scream, 4k remake

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  • afriscipio@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have no mouth and I must scream.

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    • AeonFelis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m sure they can work out a mouth next

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      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why?

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We out here building torment nexes faster than the SciFi writers can keep up.

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    • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I thought that wasn’t supposed to be an instruction manual

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      • EightLeggedFreak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nah, that’s the Torment Nexus. AM is free game.

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  • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unless you go for Cartesian dualist theories about immaterial souls, consciousness of the sort we experience is an artefact of the structure of our brains and nervous systems, which are large in scale and complex. A small blob of human-derived brain tissue is not going to have consciousness, let alone self-awareness and a sense of horror at its predicament, any more than a 555 timer is capable of playing DOOM by virtue of being made of silicon.

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    • duncan_bayne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Haha my first thought was “I wonder if it’s possible to build a general purple CPU out of 555 timers, then get DOOM running on that sucker.”

      Of course, someone has already taken the first steps towards such a monstrosity.

      hackaday.com/…/implementing-a-cpu-using-555-timer…

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      • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        People build CPUs out of logic gates in Minecraft and Factorio.

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    • Techlos@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you follow an integrated information theory derivation, consciousness is emergent from integrating and partitioning information, and with no immaterial soul the possible capability of awareness remains, even if not directly comparable to our own.

      Give that brain some morphine as a treat to be on the safe side, most brains find that one relaxing.

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      • Patrikvo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Morphine is fine, but please do not put the brain into a robotic spider suit and especially do not add a machine gun to said robotic spider suit.

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      • moonshadow@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Best take here. When not otherwise engaged by an experiment, show that lil glob the best time it’s capable of experiencing

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    • CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think we can say that about consciousness for sure, but I agree with your broader point that it doesn’t have self-awareness or a sense of horror at its predicament.

      This could actually host a very interesting rudimentary form of consciousness that is theorized by some theories of consciousness, especially idealist models like panpsychism or analytic idealism (though I do admit that analytic idealism would phrase it in terms of having a mental state instead of being conscious).

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      • T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There’s also the question of why would it experience horror? It’s not exactly in pain, and they way they make the eyes grow is just to add the hormone signal that makes eyes grow when developing.

        So from its perspective, it just got told to make eyes, so it has rudimentary eyes now. Hardly the most horrifying existence.

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I get what you’re saying, but DOOM can run on anything.

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    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So…step 2 is figuring out how many cells are needed to run DOOM on wetware?

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      • ProfessorHoover@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Some people are already working on that: youtu.be/bEXefdbQDjw

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    • interdimensional_sharts@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At what point do brain cells develop the complexity for consciousness? Is there a specific number of brain cells which produces self-awareness?

      I have a difficult time believing that consciousness is some artifact that arises from material “complexity and structure”, and tend towards the nondual view of reality.

      But that is just my opinion, and what makes consciousness such a fascinating subject imo.

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    • EtherWhack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you were to think of each of us as a bank of servers, that would be the equivalence of a nightlight with a light sensor

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    • pancake@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that someone has hacked a single 555 all the way into playing Doom…

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  • HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    More qualified for the White House than anyone working there today.

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    • lengau@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hey now, don’t be rude. There are still some really good groundskeepers working there.

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      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They’ve all been deported.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are we sure that’s not just a weirdly angled picture of a chihuahua or muffin?

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    • wabasso@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is what you get with some further coaxing.

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      • PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        this guy coaxes

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  • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tech venture capitalists for some reason:

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  • BierSoggyBeard@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Am scientist. Dear science, please stop. Just… Don’t.

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    • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why? It’s better than mice in every way.

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  • moistclump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A horror movie where you suddenly gain consciousness just to realize you’re a light-sensitive brain blob.

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    • Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s an honest job.

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  • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This can’t possibly go wrong.

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    • SPRUNT@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If we’re lucky, in billions of years this one will decide NOT to create “AI”.

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    • T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s pretty difficult for it to go wrong in a way that isn’t just nothing happening.

      The eyes don’t just grow randomly, you need to give the brain blob a chemical signal that grows eyes in-utero to make the eyes grow.

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Researchers note that it was immediately given a Disney+Hulu trial subscription.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ah great, man-made horrors beyond my comprehension.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m really curious, has anyone here not seen this image before? Not playing internet gatekeeper, I’m curious about Lemmy demographics. This image was everywhere like 5-7 years ago.

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    • morto@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe you overestimate the popularity of the places you frequented? Or maybe people’s memory simply isn’t that good

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not about raw numbers, more like subgroups, if that makes sense?

        Lemmy is a niche place, yes? Skews techie, nerdie, someone very internet heavy. At least that often seems to be an assumption I see about the place. But I don’t think it’s true, so I would just like to test that assumption, this is just an observation in that test.

        I think Lemmy’s audience is actually fairly diverse, I also think it skews very young comparatively, for the latter in particular I think this is a good test.

        It’s also of course possible that the techie, nerdy internet heavy crowd subgroup is big enough that even isolated to that sample, the chance of encountering someone who has seen the image before is actually that small, but nonetheless it’s a worthwhile observation.

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    • MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve not seen it before. But then… I don’t keep up with either science or memes. So it has to break containment or just be a lucky moment when I’m chuckle-scrolling at the right time and place.

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      • perishthethought@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        WeW5IOAiuvgzmEo.png

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thank you for replying! That’s cool to know.

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    • Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Obligatory XKCD lucky 10000 link…

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    • public_image_ltd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Actually no. My account is 2 years 7 months and before I have been on reddit for ages. But I cannot remember ever having seen this.

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  • Artafernes@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It has no mouth and it must scream

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    • Icarus@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Aayyy! Nice reference 👉👉

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      • Artafernes@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Although l am not knowing too much western things but l know this one

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    • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de [bot] ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it can eat and grow though

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  • dipcart@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Horrific state of consciousness? They’re probably having the best time of any of us

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      if bright then pulse high

      A riveting existence!

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      • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Light definitely elevates my mood

        It’s just like me fr fr

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  • cabillaud@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hurry up, make ads for that thing.

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  • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ah yes, the Torment Nexus.

    Looks like the Horrors in the Dark will be existential tonight folks!

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    • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I too look forward to horrors beyond human comprehensions!

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  • bampop@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This could be exactly the scientific breakthrough we needed. Imagine a future where we all have one of these and it watches ads on your behalf.

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    • RamenJunkie@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Its onky useful if it can interface and upvote/like things as well.

      In face, just wire the eyes to the muscle for the like action.

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      • bampop@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, this could mean the end of the great advertising war! The corporations want to stick their endless adverts in front of our eyeballs, we want to live without that crap. What this gives us is the possibility of a truce. They let us have internet and TV and operating systems and fridges with no adverts in them. In return, each of us provides one eyeball-equipped consciousness which spends its entire existence trapped in the torment nexus. It’s a reasonable compromise!

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    perhaps some people have eyes in their brains and just don’t know it.

    does this mean that when they close their eyes the darkness they see is really the inside of their skull?

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  • chaotic_ugly@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have no mouth but I must scream.

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  • deHaga@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How are they growing human brain blobs?

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  • nixfreak@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The comments here show something that the majority of people have no clue how science and research works. We would have been decades closer to even greater research with stem cells if it wasn’t for religious non-sense.

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  • Avicenna@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Eldritch horrors beyond my comprehension

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  • Ghostie@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh to be a blob with not a care in the world.

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  • chgxvjh@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    creature

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  • PaulSmackage@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve been hungover too, so what

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  • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Simply put, to respond to light stimuli is not an unequivocal sign of consciousness.

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  • testaccount372920@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is sick! The potential for basic research seems amazing to me. I think a system like this could be great for understanding some of the fundamentals of signalling in the brain.

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