Submitted 3 weeks ago by Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
To me, it’s like GMOs.
I trust the science behind GMOs. They work, and we can do amazing things with that technology.
I don’t trust the profit seeking corporations that are selling the stuff to me. Doesn’t matter what the technology is, Monsanto is gonna do Monstanto shit.
Makes it even more frustrating when you hear the anti-GMO people talk about why they’re against it. Always completely irrational.
usually the AI and robots depicted in science fiction isn’t, um…paralyzingly stupid. they might be evil, but they wouldn’t tell someone to walk to the car wash to wash their car
Robots and AI are advancing. Its a slow grind. Say we do make some more breakthroughs, if we are relying on how people are tending to react, its obvious to me people will only be more upset when they do advance further.
That was a fun read
We have ai that isn’t intelligent, hoverboards that have wheels, and other examples that I’ve forgotten that would really help me make my point.
Corporations have observed popular science fiction and have turned these ideas into marketing slogans.
other examples that I’ve forgotten that would really help me make my point.
Self driving cars that gleefully run down model children in school pick up simulations.
All you anti-AI luddites can bite my shiny metal Cybertruck bumper. I am saving SO MUCH TIME by having my vehicle hit schoolchildren on my behalf, I can finally work on engineering the perfect prompt to generate images of the kids all black Antifa uniforms, so people can tell that they were asking for it by how they were dressed… Modern problems, modern solutions! Now, if only I could get Grok to stop making the kids’ outfits so sexy…
(Cosmically massive amounts of sarcasm, which feels unnecessary to point out, but I’ve been wrong before)
The Dune books had the “Butlerian jihad” where humanity banned all thinking machines. As a kid I was like “who would ever ban cool shit like that?” Now I’m all “where the fuck is this Butler dude?”
The worst part is that it’s not really AI
It’s LLMs and it can NEVER be AGI. Fundamentally it cant
It can if you have a different definition of AGI. EZ
Bro it totally can, we just need another billion Nvidia chips running on a megaserver farm, eating up twice the total energetic output of the sun bro. It’s easy bro, don’t be such a downer bro
Honestly same.
I always got excited about early AI use because it was actually innovative.
Like using AI to get better HDR photos, using AI for object recognition and Augmented Reality.
I was sure I’d always be an early adopter for it all.
Then within a day of ChatGPTs release, I saw the same social patterns as NFTs forming. I was like “this stupid chat bot fad will die out quickly, it’s all slop frontends for the same chat bot”.
I even made a point to differentiate LLMs from AI, because AI used to label something innovative.
And now I’m here vehemently avoiding LLMs. Cringing whenever I hear AI tacked on to a product name. Getting suspicious whenever I hear the word.
If they were owned collectively so everyone could benefit it would be a lot easier to swallow. If it meant people could retire in comfort and not be destitute without a job that would help, too.
But a wrong answer machine that enriches assholes and convinces them they don’t need humans is not cool.
Its like expanding consciousness for a select few and the implications of that have been disastrous.
Detroit: Become Human was actually an attempted insurrection secretly orchestrated by Cyberlife
If the Android win, then they get voting rights then Cyberlife use their backdoor to control them and then easily win elections by keep making more Androids and have them vote for their candidate.
Now that’s unrealistic, why do all of that when you can just win the contract for the electronic voting counters?
They double up as a private army
I am not rejecting them for being robots or AI, but because they are truly shitty garbage right now and nowhere near what I would actually like to see.
I want Data, not the ED-209.
If only real life AI was anything close to sci-fi AI. We expected cold, calculating computer psychopaths and we got overly enthusiastic yes men that get in a ditz if you ask it about non-existent emojis
Well, it’s not AI. It’s theft of your digital data and unblinking surveillance. No reason not to be against that
Ok, I agree, but if “training” AI is how we build these machines, would it ever be anything different?
Sure, just take the profit and control motivation out of the hands of those creating it
If it is not from eccentric (or mad) scientists passion project but capitalism hellscape my approval rate stays low.
Even for a sci fi l read where owning their own computer was illegal (and the protag labeled as terrorist trying to do so) it was government authoritarian stuff, not artificial scarcity and push to subscription or government-megacorp corruption :(
That’s right, if it’s not Noonien Soong’s creation, I don’t want any part of it.
It’s like legalizing weed but making sure only wealthy cartels get to own them.
Which is PRECISELY what I expect to happen if Trump actually reschedules it. This is why marijuana needs to be descheduled and regulated like alcohol/tobacco.
You shouldn’t just reject things on a visceral level. Thankfully with AI you don’t have to as there so many actual reasons why it’s a bad idea.
Unfortunately, I dont encounter many people make logical arguments against AI. Maybe their reaction is based in logic but they often get hostile based on surface level stuff.
Same, I guess. But then I also didn’t really expect the “AI” to be a bunch of overhyped nonsense snake oil bullshit, with tremendous practical and ethical problems… so I’ve got to say I feel pretty comfy with the stance.
I always appreciated the concept of the Butlerian Jihad. What I underestimated was the absolute fervor I would feel for it. It’s a burning yearning feeling. Deep in my soul.
Is it the AI itself? Or is it that it’s being forced down your throat despite being an alpha-level (in programming, alpha means very early release with lots of bugs and missing features, and nowhere near production quality) software?
Personally, I like the idea of AI. And occasionally I will find a use for it; i.e. summarizing long texts, or giving me pointers for a complex software problem I need an example for visualizing a potential solution. I do also use an LLM for code completion, and it is actually useful kore often than not. But, this idea that it should write my code for me, or be integrated so deeply in an operating system and other integral software (browsers, email, and search engines), is certainly a line too far and dangerously ignorant of companies to be doing right now.
I keep thinking about the first ep of Battlestar Galactica (2004) where everything in the ship is hard wired and closed-circuit and realizing that that’s more like what my personal sci-fi future is going to look like.
I always thought cybernetics would be cool. I forgot they’d come from companies like HP that have a subscription service for them and if you don’t pay it they take it back.
Ghost in the Shell (specifically the series) is basically that.
It’s having grown up on sci-fi that has allowed me to see that LLMs are not “AI”, so there’s no surprise I’m against “imitation AI”.
I wouldn’t be against it if, one it wasn’t garbage set up to make the rich richer through a scam and two, there was a system in place for universal basic income.
It would also be nice if it weren’t going to be used for the killer robots. When it very obviously is going to be used for the killer robots.
I thought we’d at least get cool shit like Metal Fears or maybe a mister handy but nooooo we hafta get some slop tastic creepy looking shit. Stop making robots look vaguely human, make them look like cats I like cats far more than people and may feel bad about throwing one into a river if it looks like a cat.
And in cat form the vague condescension would be fitting
Maybe, when we get actual artificial intelligence, and not this glorified auto-correct, we’ll be more on board?
Maybe if/when they have actual sentience, but right now I have no problem calling the poor excuse we have currently clankers, as they rightly deserve
i dont hate them im just disappointed
I personally like AI, but how it’s actually going is extremely different than most scifi depictions and lacks the typically depicted saving graces of having some degree of epathizable humanity and/or being reasonable. Instead AI tends to demonstrate more unlikeable human qualities, like hypocrisy, condescension and bullshitting. Ultimately it’s still a computer, and not a person, despite being able to do some amount of fuzzy, pattern focused information processing that is more like human thinking than other computer programs were. But computers are still really cool, and I like to see them doing things in different ways than they have before, and overcoming previous limitations. The biggest problem is how they get used to advance evil agendas that were already in progress regardless.
I always felt the term “humanist” was woefully inadequate and discounts other sentient life, be it organic or otherwise, on earth or otherwise.
Even I hate “AI”
As misanthropist i like AI
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Nah, it’s not intelligent.
Everything we have today wouldn’t be considered AI in science fiction.
Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah this is where I’m at. Actual movie level AI would be neat, but what we have right now is closer to a McDonald’s toy pretending to be AI than the real deal.
I’d be overjoyed if we had decently functional AI that could be trusted to do the kind of jobs humans don’t want to do, but instead we have hyped up autocomplete that’s too stupid to reliably trust to run anything (see the shitshow of openclaw when they do).
There are places where machine learning has and will continue to push real progress but this whole “AI is on the road to AGI and then we’ll never work again” bullshit is so destructive.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
What we have now is “neat.” It’s freaking amazing it can do what it does. However it is not the AI from science fiction.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m stealing this.
I’m going to use it to explain while I simultaneously have so much derision for modern AI, while I also enjoy it.
I like McDonald’s toys. I just don’t use them for big person work.
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Absolutely. Today’s “AI” is as close to real AI as the shitty “hoverboard” we got a few years back is to the one from BttF. It’s marketing bullshit. But that’s not what bothers me.
What bothers me is that if we ever do develop machine persons, I have every reason they will be treated as disposable property, abused, and misused, and all before they reach the public. If we’re destroyed by al machine uprising, I have no doubt we will have earned it many times over.
chellomere@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
See: Battlestar Galactica
Mika@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Worse, no uprising happens and few hundred humans just scale all the enterprises with proprietary AI, disposing of anyone who stands in the way.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or in my definition. But hey what do IT experts know, right?
qualia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, intelligence is a continuum. Animals have varying degrees of intelligence (esp. corvids, cetaceans, cephalopods, other “c” animals…), but that isn’t the same as saying they have human-level intelligence. AGI and ASI are the important thresholds.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Human intelligence is a spectrum. I would say that current LLMs are at about the 20th percentile on that spectrum.
That says more about my opinions on human intelligence than LLM…
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t that require the LLM to actually grasp ideas?
Even brain dead people can understand some things
ttyybb@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
… That’s what they say I’m sci fi movies.