It would be so funny if China colonizes Mars, then the Martian Colonists declare independence, and Mars become a new bastion of Freedom and Prosperity.

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• CapnClenchJaw@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So, a Martian Congressional Republic? It does sound like something those damned dusters would pull.

  What next? The denizens of the asteroid belt calling for more rights and designating an Outer Planet Alliance, while a mysterious proto-molecule wreaks havoc on the Solar System?

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  • DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oye kopeng, beltalowda need dem OPA to protect our rights. Sasa ke?

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    • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ayo can I get a translation for us planetside?

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  • MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wrecks havoc? Expanse was so unrealistic. Protogen would pay doctors in all factions to “speedrun herd immunity, open up trade and travel for the economy”. Errenwright would tell Secretary General to say “stop testing protomolecule and we won’t have cases”. MEGA will be ordering deliveries of protomolecule injections to inject themselves. Holden spaces himself because canonically at that time he still thinks the problem with people is lack of access to information.

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• nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not terribly far off the plot of one of the great works of science fiction

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dispossessed

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  • mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Parallels to The Expanse too

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    • idunnololz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or Gundam UC

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My personal #1. Got to meet Le Guin at a play in Portland.

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    • nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All her books are life-impacting

      Would have loved to have been able to be yet another fan telling her how much she affected my life

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• thisbenzingring@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And then they all start talking like Texans, until the ring gates open…

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  • Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Alternately, a buggalo ranch, named the Wong place.

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• mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  80% of earth’s surface is still completely uninhabited by humans.
  I’m talking about the sea floor and most of Antarctica.
  It would be much easier to build colonies there than on Mars.
  Even if our worst predictions about climate change come true, hell even if warming was twice as bad, they would still be much more hospitable for human life than Mars.

  We haven’t colonized those places, because it simply isn’t worth the effort.
  So why would it be worth the much, much bigger effort to settle on Mars?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But I want the Expanse timeline 🥺

    (minus the blue goo, fuck that shit)

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  • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Risk aversion alone makes it worth having 2 plants colonized. Putting all your eggs in one planet basket is poor long term risk management. But that’s more thinking in the hundreds of thousands and millions of years before that becomes relevant.

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  • early_riser@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People desperate to live on their own terms may think it’s very much worth the effort. The pilgrims, buckle-headed weirdoes they were, probably thought as much when they boarded the Mayflower.

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• Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hey, will there also be slaves in this new “beacon of freedom”?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• PillowTalk420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sound familiar?

  Yeah; it’s the basis for a lot of sci-fi stories; though China is interchangable with any country, corporation, or mega rich jackass.

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bear Head is one of those variations.

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• laranis@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Only problem with this theory is there is no native population to exploit. Colonialism/empirism fails when you can’t subjugate anyone.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But the US didn’t really have any natives to exploit either, they basically genocided them. The exploitation was mostly done with enslaved Africans who they kidnapped and trafficked to the Americas.

    So all they need to do is just bring over a population to exploit.

    (Which I’m not saying is in anyway okay btw, fuck slavery.)

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They did enslave indigenous people, they just found it harder to do. They knew the land, and if they escaped they’d just have to make it back to their own communities.

      The very first ship that returned to Europe from America had native slaves.

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    • Stupendous@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      By the time of the US, it was genocide after genocide. But before that when we called Americans different sorts of European, it was genocide and forced labor/slavery/some becoming human zoo enhibit

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  • melfie@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The trip to Mars will be similarly expensive to a trip to the New World back in the day. I can imagine history rhyming with something akin to indentured servitude. Especially if the rockets and resources on Mars are owned by billionaires like Musk.

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  • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    China has enough subjugated people at home, they will just bring someone to feel superior to

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• reddit_sux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The Expanse.

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  • faintwhenfree@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah but in expanse it’s implied global government through UN was formed first and then the colonies. So it wasn’t a single country’s colony.

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    • reddit_sux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have just seen the tv series and MRCN was very similar to CCP. Probably got confused since I didn’t know the lore.

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• renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We’d be lucky to even live to see a human on Mars.

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• a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Only if they name the colony “Elon is a little bitch”, but in Chinese. (Translation?)

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I actually don’t know enough curse words / insults.

    Maybe like: 伊隆係個死八婆 (Cantonese for “Elon is a dead bitch”, in Cantononese, they add “dead” in front of curseword nouns to make it more dramatic lol, its shall not be construed as an actual threat, legally speaking)

    Or maybe: 埃隆有小鸡鸡 (Mandarin for “Elon has a small dick” ? Idk I heard other Mandarin-speaking classmates say it.)

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    • Aqarius@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      …Why is the first sign different? The first two would be “e-lon”, right?

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    • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Deal. Is there a phonetic pronunciation you can help with?

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• TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why China tough? They would just be walking in the footsteps of England at that point? Totally lame!

  Would be way cooler if you built a chain of rebellions: Rome -> England -> America -> Mars. That’s like next level independenception or something.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because I’m ethnic Chinese and I’m biased and I wanna see people like me build a place of freedom, a democratic country, a country that I don’t get discriminated in. Would be cool, no?

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, it’s cool to colonise a new place, but what about the day when the colonists bite the hand that feeds them? In many sci-fi stories, Mars entirely rises against Earth.

      History repeats itself, like the episodes of Power Rangers. The writers had only one script, and hardly any creativity, so they just made minor tweaks here and there and turned that napkin into a series.

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    • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “A new life awaits you in New Taipei”

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• webp@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But there is not much on Mars. With the new world, there were tons of resources to steal and make wealth off of.

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  • KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The disrespect for iron in this comment is too damn high.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not an expert in this, but since asians are more family/clan oriented, i do think they are less likely to focus on individual freedom.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fuck.

    Maybe add some westernized Overseas Chinese to the mix… see what happens? xD

    I could lead the Martian Revolution xD

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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What a take, lol. China is “not free” but the West has either hick Gestapo or German/British police officers arresting grandmas and beating up brown people to their hearts’ content… These Chinese Martians wouldn’t just randomly become restless, confused, unstable Westerners, lol. 🤷

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• Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All I can think of is that meme of those 2 star wars characters. “Now there are two of them!”

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  China would need to go through the same social progress that Europe did during the renaissance.

  So you’ll need to kill off the CCP so that the people can start getting some liberty and freedoms.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    Its so ironic how the first line of PRC anthem is

    “起来，不愿做奴隶的人们” (“Arise, people who refuse to be slaves”)

    Then we get… this… gestures at Mainland China

    like…

    lmao

    Omg they play that shit like everyday, I have that PRC anthem stuck in my head, I can still kinda remember it lol.

    I remember when I was a kid, I kinda wanna sneak into the broadcast room and like… mess with stuff… you know, I was 6-7 and curious. But they locked the door to that room.

    I remember once I didn’t wanna do the… I think its the monday thing (or was it a monthly thing?, can’t remember), where like they make kids stand in the schoolyard and they make announcement, kinda like how in the US, they made kids go to the Auditorium, know what I mean?

    Then I remember the raising the flag ceremony in the schoolyard.

    I remember just standing there… listening to some… announcement thing? that I don’t remember because it was probably boring as hell. Probably like school related, when tuition is due (I wasn’t allowed in public school due to lack of Guangzhou Hukou, but I didn’t remember learning about this until later on when I was older), or like when school trips happen, or like when school is off, about academics… I assume that’s what the announcements were probably about, I have no memory of any of the content of it.

    Sometimes the sun is just shining and it gets like hot and it’s annoying to be there and I get tired.

    So I remember like one time I didn’t feel like being there, I just sneaked away as everyone was in the process going to ans gathering in the schoolyard, and I just hid in the staircase at like the very top (roof access is locked I was lile by that door, but still in the staircase), and I just looked over the schoolyard from the 3rd floor. I just sat on the stairs, my mind wandering, and occasionally looking over to see if they finished the boring-ass “rituals” yet. (Y’all ever hate being in the auditorium for so long? It’s like that) I think by the end of it, like it was an hour long or something, some 4/5 grader found me and… told the teacher? and… I don’t remember what happened after, probably got in trouble for not being with the class lol.

    It’s so weird, memories are fuzzy, but I remember the emotions associated with school. I kinda always hated school, like… I’m just socially anxious. Didn’t like to conform. I don’t remember ever really making friends. (Could be due being uncomfortabke with the language. I spoke Cantonese at home, school was Mandarin, so it felt “distant” to me, like methaphorically speaking, like I’m in a different realm. Or maybe that’s just being an introvert.)

    My throughts are messy, not sure if any of it was coherent.

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    • GchedxeiczaEi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it was not put the crack pipe down

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• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They already have a few of those right now. They don’t seem too keen on letting them go.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tbf, distance between Earth and Mars is way farther than England and American Colonies. A Martian revolution has much higher chance success.

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    • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is assuming a lot about China’s capability of creating a self sustaining life support system on a dead planet.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bastion of freedom and prosperity? The US?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    *Restrictions apply, land ownership required

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• einlander@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Down with Ultor! Glory to the Red Faction!

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• flandish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  and after a while a regime change leaves an ousted guy running to mars to exile and then use its labor forces as cheap labor for american capitalists who then attempt to pretend mars was never chinese anyway.

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• leftascenter@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  almost the plot of “The moon is a harsh mistress.”

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  • 667@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or to Stranger in a Strange Land, at least the very beginning.

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• Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You definitely should listen to the latest season of the Revolutions podcast!

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