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Python Foundation rejects $1.5M grant with no-DEI strings

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Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨brianpeiris@lemmy.ca⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/27/python_foundation_abandons_15m_nsf/

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  • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    After growing up watching things like Bill Nye, seeing names like the NSF saying shit like this is like an actual fucking nightmare reality. It’s just so incredibly wrong.

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  • jmsy@lemmy.world ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    what would happen if they took the money and didn’t comply?

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  • oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hey look someone with integrity, morals, principles and balls. Sadly all four of those seem to be highly endangered traits.

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  • beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One of our geology grants got hit for mentioning mineral inclusion. Total clown show.

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    • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Rocks are woke now.

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      • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Unironically yes ❤️

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      • portifornia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, since rocks went all woke and stuff, they have really been rolling down hill…

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    • umbraroze@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      One of my recent software projects has an “ignore” list feature, but I guess I have to update the terminology to “include/exclude” if that means chuds will stay away.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ooh I know what I’m using as variable names this week

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    • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Honestly this is magnificent. 🤡

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m deeply proud of Python for standing by its community and making the right decision.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Image

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  • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How is it legal to basically say “We’ll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation”

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    • bhamlin@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You frame it as “don’t discriminate based on skin color, as in don’t hire a black person because they’re black” while not saying any more of the quiet part out loud.

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      • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨52⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        In a perfect world where nobody doing the hiring was ever even a little subconsciously racist, that would be perfectly reasonable, yeah.

        Though that said we end up with a lot of nuance in the real world. Let’s say there’s a traditionally marginalised, opposed racial group. Let’s say times have changed somewhat and people suddenly accept them.

        Well, the generational and cultural weight is still going to have a lasting effect even if times have changed, and it may be more difficult for people from that group to afford a good education, good job, good home, etc.

        The point being that even if we all stopped being racist today and hired purely based on how good an employee someone will be, we’re likely still unknowingly skewing our decisions based on past social racial issues.

        I’m probably not putting it very well but hopefully you get the idea! It’s probably pretty common knowledge anyway I guess haha, seems pretty obvious to me and I don’t even think about this stuff much :-)

        Anyway, point is, we do still need to work as a society on ensuring diversity and fairness even when we’re not racist at all - I think the saying might be “Equity over Equality”, or such?

        Obviously the USA Government are fascists, so they’re more interested in wiping out groups they don’t like, but they’re just another in a long line of evil governments that will eventually fall, no point thinking too deeply about why they’re being evil. They’ll eventually die off as all fascist regimes do. Hopefully we won’t have to fight a World War against them this time.

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fucking hell, good for the PSF for maintaining their values. I’ll make a donation when I get paid. I’m sure they would appreciate it if any one else can spare a dollar or two.

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To make matters worse, the terms included a provision that if the PSF was found to have voilated that anti-DEI diktat, the NSF reserved the right to claw back any previously disbursed funds, Crary explained.

    Likely why it was not accepted

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    • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, even if they weren’t willing to take a principled stance, that’s really dangerous. Especially with how temperamental these fascists are.

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  • NinjaTurtle@feddit.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “… do not ,and will not … operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology…”

    Aren’t these contradictory?

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    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re really pulling the ‘We’re just going to make up a fake acronym using DEI’ card in an official government communication?

      This is a clown show

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Eh, some DEI programs were discriminatory by having quotas, most were not. The one at my company was great, which was basically minorities giving talks about difficulties getting hired, promotions, etc. We didn’t have quotas, just reports.

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    • pHr34kY@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No. Employment is finite. Including someone means excluding someone else.

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  • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Go team snake 🐍

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  • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fuck yes, Python.

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  • recked_wralph@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I bet if they solicit crowd funding to replace this grant they’d easily surpass its dollar value.

    Is there an existing way to donate to the Python Foundation?

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    • Speculater@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thanks for doing the research for us lazy folks, donation sent!

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  • ubergeek@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Good for them, standing on principle 😁

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  • deathbird@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Especially in light of how incompetent this administration is, and how bad it is at clearly communicating ideas, they made the only sensible choice. Maybe there’s more details in the grant terms itself, but from the article it looks like it just says “don’t advance or promote DEI”, and without explicitly defining what they mean by that they are setting up a trap.

    PyPI is smart not to take the money.

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Trump’s bullshit already violated those laws though. Repeatedly.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a purchase of No DEI, not a donation.

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Who is the person downvoting the two comments in here???

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    • tfm@piefed.europe.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        How do you see that?

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      • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Checks his comment history

        Seems like an okay dude. Might even be one of my alts gone rogue. Dunno why the downvote

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    • NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean, votes are public in the fediverse. I wouldn’t try to read into the reasoning from a single downvoter too much though.

      One downvote could be accidental. 2 downvotes in the same thread makes that seem less likely.

      Downvoting/Upvoting doesn’t mean the same thing that it does for everyone. Some use it as an agree/disagree. Some use it for whether a comment is productive and adds to the conversation or not. Some use it as a visibility score whether they think a comment should be seen by others first or whether there are other comments that are better. Some may agree with most everything in a comment except for one part and then downvote because of that.

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      • Cybersteel@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I thought the point of the system is to mark down out of context comments that doesn’t contribute to the post and not a I disagree button or super upvote.

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    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Probably someone on the White House’s payroll who has a micropenis.

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      • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • judgyweevil@feddit.it ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Based

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  • pHr34kY@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I get that hiring practices should not discriminate, but in practice, what I have seen is the opposite of meritocracy. My company had many DEI hires, and they were the first to go when the money got tight.

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    • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I feel like you may not understand what DEI actually is. What, precisely, do you think a "DEI hire" is?

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      • pHr34kY@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “DEI hire” has a different definition depending on whether you’re talking about design or implementation.

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    • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What meritocracy? A bunch of white dudes born into privilege that allows them the opportunities that the average person doesn’t have?

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  • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The PSF is (presumably) already required to comply with Federal anti-discrimination laws. Am I misreading the text or does it not actually create any new obligations for the PSF if they were to accept the grant?

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    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They would be required to comply with the current administration’s extremely biased and borderline illiterate interpretation of those laws.

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    • tja@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You are misreading. These new obligations would require the PSF to violate those laws

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    • cardfire@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It normalizes the anti-equity principles of the grating party.

      The benefactor had already shown exactly how they treat people that aren’t white Christian men, and it’s up to schools, businesses and organizations like the Foundation to show resistance and inclusivity.

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