My dacia spring has it exactly like that 😁
You feel how you physically move the airways by rotating the wheel where you choose the air coming out
There was no need to ever improve upon THIS
Submitted 5 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
blady_blah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fuck that, give me a thermostat any day of the week.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This works well and it’s not a hill I’ll defend but automatic control of temperature is better when it’s done well. In the UK we have a culture of driving cars with manual transmission and I’ve never understood it when automatic transmissions exist and are pretty good. People wanna feel like they are in control of stuff.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not sure about the UK, but I know Germany likes manuals because they last longer when you have a lot of hills and mountains.
kossa@feddit.org 5 months ago
Well, as a kid I thought by the time I’ll do my driver’s license there will be no more manual transmissions around.
Turns out, automatic is just still way more expensive to buy AND, as I recently learned, crazy expensive in maintenance.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s about 5-10% more in the UK. The maintenance on a reliable transmission is fairly minimal but any mechanical problems are almost guaranteed to be a nightmare buried under a mountain of metal. I’ve been spared that trauma so far but I remember test driving a used VW Passat which clunked with every shift. Thanks for the test drive, bro.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
I like electric, because fuel and maintenance is so cheap
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
swagmoney@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
how hard do you want it? how hot do you want it? where do you want it?
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
😏
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
That has 5 moving parts, while a touchscreen has none. It much easier and cheaper for the manufacturer to install the touchscreen. But instead of passing the savings to you, they probably keep it or pass it on to investors.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
The nobs are cheaper, because you don’t need a motor changing the airflow, you just use the power of the human rotating the nob to adjust the airflow to go to the right spot
And you don’t need a cpu nor gpu
Waaay cheaper…
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The CPU and screen are already in the car for other things. No cost there. And I don’t think you actually know how to make a nob.
Madeyro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
But the touch screen comes with a price you pay for the UI development which is not a small amount. So while installing it might be cheaper, in the end I would argue it’s more expensive.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The screen could well be more expensive than the dial parts, but installation would be cheaper, so we’d need the numbers. The thing about software is that it’s very expensive to make but selling price is as low or high as you need it to be.
tempest@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Exactly.
Each of those knobs needs an injection mould, each switch behind it a supply chain. Iterating on digital design is far cheaper as well.
It’s far cheaper to use what are effectively 10 year old tablets in the cheaper cars. Since LCDs are being mass manufactured for other things that likely get a nice economy of scale.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Be nice if those savings were passed on…
AvocadoSandwich@eviltoast.org 5 months ago
Or worse, they charge extra because the touch screen is a luxury product.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
That only depends on what badge they put on the hood.
untorquer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s -5C/23F outside, you hop in the car, winter boots and thermal layers. Your climate control’s lowest setting is 16C/61F. You have two options: personal sweaty sauna or drive in your winter jacket with frozen hands.
Other options: blast heat with windows down. Full AC, just get it over with.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I always just freeze while the car warms up. Driving with a jacket on is an absolute no-go. I see so many people do it and I don’t understand how, it’s restrictive and you will inevitably start to bake when the sun hits you.
untorquer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s more difficult to take thermals off/on for a regular car ride. Just let me set temps down to 5C or something.
cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Sorry internet, I love the auto climate.
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
My dial has auto on it
Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Oh, there is. I love having a set of controls separate from the passenger side.
noxypaws@pawb.social 5 months ago
If you truly believe this, replace your home thermostat with the same controls. Live with that shit for awhile.
shiftymccool@programming.dev 5 months ago
noxypaws@pawb.social 5 months ago
That’s a thermostat. The OP image specifically lacks a thermostat
caboose2006@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, just make them more robust and maybe add more steps between settings.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 5 months ago
Oh Look at Mr fancy pants here with his working heater in his reasonable priced car!
Krudler@lemmy.world 5 months ago
achkually your title is wrong because it was never improved upon.
nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Having auto climate with physical controls is peak. No adjusting dials, your car just gets the internal climate to the temperature you want and that’s it.
nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Absolutely. It’s easy to say that new technology ruins things, but all of this was new tech once. You could have just invented the potentiometer and made a control panel with nothing but them and it would be just as awful. It’s all about integrating the technology into the experience and designing in a thoughtful way.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I ling for the days it was two horizontal sliders. Cold to left, slide to the right the warmer you wanted. Low to the left, slight to the right for high fan. Now it’s all this digital horse shit and it takes years of me being bored at red lights to be motivated to explore all the menu drudgery on the console. Now it all has fucking wifi and tracker nonsense too.
Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I’ve got an old car and it’s still like this. I don’t look forward to the day I have to get a new car.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Yeah like, all I wish my car had was Bluetooth capabilities but besides that I love my older car.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Swap the radio its pretty easy and only costs like $50. I got an old Japanese import that has Bluetooth that connects to my phone as I enter the car. Its also got USB to play music from and charge from.
bytesonbike@discuss.online 5 months ago
We had to buy a new (used 2022) car after we ran out old car into the ground. The touch screen controls temperatures. There wasn’t a single variant of the car that didn’t have a giant ass touch screen. It makes me really uncomfortable when the screen no longer works.
There’s also some other things that piss me off.
But Some of the pros (and why we accepted that trade off):
- all wheel drive
- fancy sensors when someone is in my blindside
- it opens when it senses the key is nearby.
- heated seats with controls. (Used to bring hot packs because it gets cold here)
- cameras for the rear
- it does that cool thing where it breaks if it senses you might collide. I hated it at first but I’m old now and it saved me once from collision.
Either way, fuck cars and if public transportation was better here, id use that.
smeenz@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
I would be really uncomfortable with a car where I had to touch a giant’s ass to make it go.
Mobiletuck@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I have that heater/AC unit
fodor@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
It’s really interesting that I agree with you, but so many people insist that they’re new and fancy tools are somehow making their lives significantly better. And obviously it’s an opinion question, it’s not like they’re lying, but I just don’t see the value that many of them do.
blarth@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
My car has climate control. I set it to 72 degrees once a long time ago and rarely have touched it since.
The fascination with dumb controls in a car is odd to me. It seems like people overshoot the “I want physical controls I can feel my way around without looking” and get into “give me the Flintstones car” lately.
percent@infosec.pub 5 months ago
I almost agree with this, but I prefer just one more advancement over this: the thermostat kind. I like to just set the temperature so I don’t have to keep adjusting it.
Nothing fancy, no touchscreen bs, just simple knobs. I was perfectly happy with the thermostat feature in my old 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT.
Agent641@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My new car is a 2025 model, but it’s an Indian made Japanese Kei car and it has large, infinitely spinning knobs for temperature and fan strength, and a digital temperature readout. I really like them.
When the temp was cold in the morning but now it’s hot, I spin those dials like wheel of fortune to the left and immediately set the AC to cold and fast. No repeated button presses.
The only downside is that it doesn’t have one of those knobs for music volume.
Zink@programming.dev 5 months ago
Not only do those knobs sound awesome to use, but I could see them being cheaper and more reliable as well.
Instead of being mechanically connected to whatever custom parts to direct air flow, it can just be an off the shelf encoder sending a signal to a processor that already exists.
mlg@lemmy.world 5 months ago
IMALlama@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Agree with the addition of a low and high setting. I don’t care what the target cabin temp is, if I just got into my car after braving some crazy wind chill I want to be air fried for a bit.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
Was it?
I love auto settings, it means much less fiddling/interaction.
JustAPenguin@lemmy.world 5 months ago
One of my knobs broke and to this day, I can’t work out how to replace it. Where do you even buy them from??? 🙃
IMALlama@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Used parts! Junkyards, eBay, whatever. Odds are you’ll be able to find a replacement unless the factory knob was super fragile or your vehicle is exceedingly rare.
If your vehicle is vaguely popular it’ll probably have a stl (think exported 3D shape) available. In that case I’ll print/mail you one assuming you’re in the US. If you’re not in the US hop over to !3DPrinting@lemmy.world and I’m sure someone will help you out.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 months ago
!printmything@lemmy.world
RattlerSix@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Amazon, parts store, junkyard, find someone to 3D print one for you
Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Honestly. I prefer my current EVs AC. I have set it to 2q degrees when I first got it and I haven’t touched it since.
I don’t like “more cold” or “more hot” dials. I know what I like, 21 degrees and if the car can keep exactly that? I’m happy.
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 5 months ago
One of my older minivans had a digital thermostat and it was just about the only digital control in a car I can tolerate.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I wish more companies did this.
The larger temperature controls and the vertically, slightly curved stack make so much sense to me.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
This must be a Honda Fit interior, right? I still wish I had managed to snag one of those, but they are probably double the price of other used hatches where I am. Ah well.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 months ago
2011 Fit. Great car. Got only 110k on it.
BarbudoGrande@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My 2016 doesn’t look like that. Must be a different gen.
DaniNatrix@leminal.space 5 months ago
I love my Fit, it’s a 2012 and a manual transmission, I will drive it for as long as I possibly can.
Pringles@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
tjhrulz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I will say as someone who lives in a cold climate, but that typically likes cooler warm air. It would be nice to sometimes be able to set how cold the air is coming out of the vents and not the temperature I want the cabin to be. But other than that, yeah I think my Honda Civic handles this pretty well as well
rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Except backup cameras. Everything else is bad
Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Backup cameras are cool but they’ll never stay backup cameras. Give manufacturers that screen, and we’ll, if you have it, you’ve gotta use it
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 months ago
One time I rented a uhaul van and it had a backup camera that would show up in the rear view mirror. Not the whole thing mirror, but it had a little screen embedded in it.
balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 5 months ago
Screens aren’t the problem, touchscreens are the problem. I have a screen but no touchscreen. Works great.
TWeaK@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Hard disagree. Physical buttons with a digital temperature and split controls for left and right (and maybe rear as well). Automatic climate control that also does the fans. I had all of this on a car in 2010, and it was perfect - I could just leave the temperature set at what I wanted all the time, and the fans would blow hard if it needed to heat or cool significantly to get there.
Some manufacturer’s, eg Volvo, don’t automatically adjust the fans, which is wank. But nothing is as wank as touch screen controls - I fucking hate it when you’re trying to aim at a button, then as you go in to press the car bumps and you completely miss.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 months ago
How fast do you want it, how hot do you want it, where do you want it
moseschrute@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I disagree. I like that I can set my temperature to an exact number and the car will automatically adjust to that temp. We should have stopped there. That’s was the holy grail of temperature control.
Macallan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Hard agree. I came to say the exact same thing.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’d add being able to set a different temperature for the driver and passenger. It’s a godsend for relationships.
TWeaK@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Some cars even have a separate zone for the rear. However I’ve only seen that on touch screen models, so they can suck a dick.
Sneptaur@pawb.social 5 months ago
You can take my automatic climate control from my cold dead hands. Fuck this!