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As Microsoft Forces Users to Ditch Windows 10, It Announces That It’s Also Turning Windows 11 into an AI-Controlled Monstrosity
Submitted 15 hours ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-windows-11-ai-controlled
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BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I am also newly minty fresh.
Although up graded anyway because the games I play aren’t an Linux.
The only downside is gaming.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Depending on the games you play, thanks to Valve with Proton and Steam Deck, most games are actually already playable on Linux. The only exception is newer multi-player online games with kernel-level anticheat.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Steam has a native Linux client and every game I bought on Windows runs just fine on Linux.
All my older, non-steam games, like “Deus Ex” or “Giants: Citizen Kabuto” run great under Wine, using the default settings. Also, there are Linux versions of DOSBox, for older games.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
basically my current setup too. it took me just a couple of months on Win11 to straight up give up on Windows because it’s just not very good
julysfire@lemmy.world 49 minutes ago
Linux is the only viable solution to this mess. And no it is not as scary as it seema
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 19 minutes ago
Does Lemmy have a “Stallman was right” community? Or is that just all of Lemmy.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 11 minutes ago
Most of it, yes.
Jhex@lemmy.world 58 minutes ago
Microsoft is going to implode with the AI bubble
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 minutes ago
MS is waaaay too big to fail.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 minutes ago
Xerox, AT&T, sometimes companies die
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 19 minutes ago
I hope you’re right but they’ve been overdue since USA vs Microsoft.
NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 51 minutes ago
For now, the Copilot features will be technically opt-in, but it’s more than possible that this will change in the future.
As much as i dislike some Windows 11 elements, let’s stick to facts. The headline make it seem way worse than it actually is, although still not good at all.
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 1 hour ago
Forcing users to ditch WIndows 10? I can’t help but feel like this is a giant media campaign by microsoft to make people switch to Win 11. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. I can still use Windows XP if I want to.
BanMe@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Corporate users will find it unacceptable to use an OS without regular security updates. Individual users will do whatever they want as per usual. Unfortunately without the security updates, the average Windows 10 user is going to be less and less secure over time, although MS will undoubtedly patch major things.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
The machine I have to use at work was updated to windows 10 two months ago. One of the software we use for our job is hosted on a VM running Windows 98.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It’s insane how much extra time, effort and sanity you can retain simply by switching to Linux. I initially switched a few years ago, then fully shortly after. Using my PCs has never been better and I had no issues with gaming. The only games that don’t work are some of the live service ones I’ll never be interested in.
One of the best decisions in my life, right up there with deleting all social media. Life keeps getting better, relatively speaking, but of course rich pedophiles just can’t tolerate us having a good time.
pachrist@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Not sure why we’re surprised. And even then, it took a while for the “good” OSes to get good. Windows 7 is remembered fondly because it ended well, not because it started well.
Windows 95: OK Windows 98: Bad Windows 98 SE: OK Windows ME/2000: Bad Windows XP: OK Windows Vista: Bad Windows 7: OK Windows 8: Bad Windows 10: OK Windows 11: Bad
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Windows 98 wasn’t bad. It was a big improvement in stability over 95. Windows ME/2000 were two completely separate products. Win 2000 was based on NT which always got better until maybe Vista. Vista itself wasn’t bad. The problem was end users not liking security. Vista made it easier than sudo to temporarily elevate security and everyone still complained. So they backed off on XP which was less secure because it didn’t enforce security elevation as much.
You also can’t list 98SE and ignore Win 8.1. 8.1 was a bandaid fix for the start menu of 8 but was still a bad.
There’s no significant difference between 10 and 11 to claim one is good and the other is bad. All the garbage in 11 was also in 10.
ozymandias117@lemmy.world 59 minutes ago
*backed off on 7 ?
I think you’re also overlooking that the driver model changed for Vista, so tons of hardware listed as supporting Vista was just extremely unstable at release until hardware vendors figured out the new driver model
henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 hours ago
I will continue to enjoy my incredibly straightforward and to the point Linux desktop that’s somehow gained a new AI-free feature by doing nothing.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 41 minutes ago
Then you install Docker because may Linux apps come distributed only as Docker images and find out that Docker has its own AI built in called Gordon.
Then Lemmy dogpiles me for, “What do you expect for running corporate software.”
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Don’t you want a bunch of pop-ups nagging you to use their AI gimmicks, though?
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Damn it! I’m in.
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Would you be able to point me toward a good thread about “beginner-friendly” distros that works well with games?
I honestly have no idea what to trust when it comes to this
Broken@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Like others said, bazzite and pop os, though I’ve never used either. I use mint and never had a problem.
Though it should be pointed out that some MP games that use a kernel level anti cheat can’t be played (battlefield 6 for instance).
But I also wanted to mention, you can run Linux from a USB flash drive. So of you want to try out one of them without actually installing it, you easily can. If you don’t like it you don’t install. If you do, then you go for the full install. Easy non committal trial so to speak.
other_cat@piefed.zip 11 hours ago
Bazzite is specifically for PC gaming and is a very friendly starter distro.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 hours ago
If you have an Nvidia GPU, i can warmly recommend Nobara (a Fedora spinoff) to you. https://nobaraproject.org/download-nobara/
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world 11 hours ago
Bazzite, definitely.
dbkblk@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Don’t go onto specialized distro. Just use the main ones like Mint (which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian). I would say that Debian is the best one, but it needs to read some docs if you have a Nvidia Graphic card (but if not, it should be easy and super stable).
binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I installed Mint a week ago and it has played all of the 13 games I tried without any effort from me, except one which ProtonDB told me to change the compatibility mode in the steam properties then it worked great.
I would say see the ProtonDB entries for some games you like to set your expectations.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 hours ago
Pop!_os worked fine for me out of the box. The UI is a little mac-like (dock on bottom, spotlight like search when you hit the super key) by default.
Steam just works. Heroic launcher just works. It’s simple.
I’ve also used mint, but had slightly less luck with its install working out of the box. All issues fixed eventually but there was some head scratching.
Linux nerds tend to have opinions and it’s easy to lose sight of what it’s like as a beginner.
But ultimately it’s pretty easy to switch distributions. They’re all free.
cycadophyta@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Linux Mint has been able to run games for me. Look up the steam proton virtual windows tool
_druid@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Pop_OS! and Bazzite were the first two I tried when I made the switch. They were advertised as working right out of the box, which they did not for me.
When I was trying Nobara, I learned I had to run something in the command line to get gamemode to work properly with Steam. Ever since then, Nobara has worked for my gaming needs.
A few tweaks are needed here and there, but it’s literally copy and paste from protondb.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
I haven’t done much gaming but Steam seems fine on my old laptop running Mint.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
These threads feel kinda redundant, all comments are just preaching to the choir.
Can anyone comment about anything besides “[…] switched to Linux […]”?
sonofearth@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
What else do you expect everyone to do? Please enlighten us if you have something more to offer than switching to Linux — which seemingly is the best option currently.
OozingPositron@feddit.cl 1 hour ago
I’m not that guy but there’s ESU or windows 10 IoT.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t, I am saying that there’s more to discuss than “switched to Linux /thread”.
For example let me just quote microsoft “The vision that we have is: let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI, and build essentially what becomes truly the AI PC.” and think about what that means for your workplace. Windows isn’t going to vanish in a few years. The companies that have a lot of windows PCs will have to deal with increased hardware requirements in an already expensive market, have to wrangle user settings that the ai set on voice commands or fight against Microsoft to shut it all down.
I feel like there’s going to be a lot of wasted productivity in the coming years spend on fixing what ai broke.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
windows 10 LTSC from massgrave.dev site for afew years, but that will come to an end too. after that if you hate yourself there are the BSDs, or you can install hackintosh too. but the linuxes are the most mature alternative that won’t just fuck you over
melfie@lemy.lol 2 hours ago
There are several common refrains on Lemmy that many people find cathartic. If you don’t care to tell us about your preferred Linux distro again, maybe another thread will pop up soon about how streaming services are enshittified and you can tell us about what you’re self-hosting again.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I get wanting to tell people that you’ve switched from windows but these threads just feel too repetitive to be engaging, there’s no interesting discussion when everyone is just repeating the same points every month.
There’s also no discussion about the article or if there is then I couldn’t find it because of all the switched to Linux comments.
Oh well, back to other threads…
lukaro@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Sure, I switched to Mac.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Don’t they also push their new AI on customers? I don’t use MacOS so I’m a bit ootl on that.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 hours ago
Stay on 10 and force M$ to give further updates because of sheer popularity, just like they had to with XP
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Companies have already updated, new notebooks come with windows 11, it’s sadly inevitable that most users will sooner or later be switched to windows 11.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
Have Win 10 and was a Windows die hard since I was a kid.
Been running Linux on another drive as my default boot for a year and a half in anticipation of this horseshit and was only hesitant to delete Win because my Fanatec sim racing hardware wasn’t supported on Linux.
Welp, turns out hid-fanatecff is a thing. Installed the kernel driver and boom, working Fanatec peripherals. Even my Moza shifter is plug-and-play.
Bye bye Microsoft.
Steve@startrek.website 14 hours ago
Is there any use for a HP Reverb G2 on linux?
gray@pawb.social 12 hours ago
Fully supported by Monado looks like.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Idk how recent that Monado support is, but I couldn’t get the reverb G2 to work on Linux at all a couple years ago.
saltesc@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Yeah, peripherals lol. All my sim stuff is working brilliantly in Linux, however I still have some audio production stuff I need Windows for. Unfortunately, due to the need for minimal hardware latency and all that, Wine and VMs aren’t an option. Also a lack of drivers for some midi devices sucks.
Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Wine can actually beat native in latency, since it’s a pretty thin translation layer and windows is … windows.
I’d give it a shot just in case.AstralPath@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Really? I run my home studio in Nobara Linux without any latency issues. I use Reaper as my DAW. Are you using
yabridge?
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
How bad would running Windows 10 past support be exactly? Seems like most vulnerabilities should have been patched by now.
AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Extended security updates are available. This can be activated for free using Microsoft Activation Scripts.
Microsoft tech support has been repeatedly caught using these scripts to resolve support tickets for license issues. (bleepingcomputer.com/…/microsoft-support-cracks-w…) Also, the open source MAS code is hosted on Microsoft-owned Github, so they are appearantly not very concerned with people taking advantage of this exploit.
If you go this route, please also see the FAQ entry here. There is currently a glitch with commercial ESU keys (which this uses) and Windows Update will continue to claim that your device will no longer receive security updates. This is also effecting W10 LTSC systems. However, you can verify that the license key is active through Command Prompt and instructions are given in the FAQ.
prof@infosec.pub 2 hours ago
See an example here:
Microsoft said both issues could allow attackers to execute code with elevated privileges, although there are currently no indications on how they are being exploited and how widespread these efforts may be. In the case of CVE-2025-24990, the company said it’s planning to remove the driver entirely, rather than issue a patch for a legacy third-party component.
The security defect has been described as “dangerous” by Alex Vovk, CEO and co-founder of Action1, as it’s rooted within legacy code installed by default on all Windows systems, irrespective of whether the associated hardware is present or in use.
New attack vectors are found constantly. Having no support can very likely result in a system that can be automatically breached in a few weeks to months.
As long as you don’t have a public IP on your device and are in a trusted network you should be fine. But if you use a public wifi or somehow expose a port to the internet you’re increasingly vulnerable for each day after the last security update.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 2 hours ago
There’s always going to be vulnerabilities, that’s why they’re ending support. They don’t want to spend time updating an OS they don’t want people using.
Windows 10 is probably fairly secure… today. In 2 years, someone might discover a new vulnerability, and you won’t get the update. If there’s a new way to do web security and the browsers need OS support to implement it, you’ll be stuck on legacy security settings.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 31 minutes ago
Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many critical vulnerabilities are currently unpatched in Windows 7?
Rooster326@programming.dev 1 hour ago
It’s not going to take 2 years…
New vulnerabilities are found on a daily to weekly basis.
To put this in perspective. In 2024 there were 1360 reported, 587 vulnerabilities confirmed with 33 of them deemed critical.
I would guess that there are critical vulnerabilities that are right now being worked on because there is no concern of the exploit being patched.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Short term honestly likely fine for your avg person. After even six months tho I wouldn’t trust using it for banking, government sites or anything more sensitive then looking at cat memes.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
If you want to keep running Win10, look into 0patch. They do in memory patching and are MUCH smaller, it’s what a real OS manufacturer would put out.
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a conspiracy where Microsoft purposely left a massive hole in windows 10. And they are going to attack their own system in 2 months and be like “oh noez, welp guess you have to come to windows 11”.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
They don’t care about forcing you to 11 other than it saves them development costs. All the ads and spyware are also in 10.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Its probably more lazy than anything. Security always depends on what you need to protect. If you want to keep using it, dont keep sensitive information on it. People will target vulnerabilities in Windows 10 as time goes on.
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Ok, guys. I’m reading some of these replies which are saying the amount of outrage is out of proportion. I have to disagree with that. I don’t want an AI running on my PC that is monitoring and learning about my shit. I didn’t want that data saved even locally, let alone the monetization of that data. I don’t want to be paying for power of a device that is turning me into someone else’s paycheck.
Can you turn it off? I believe you can. But I also believe that doing it manually would be incredibly annoying since that does go with a lot of past practice. I also get it would reactivate itself after major updates, like how Edge keeps reinstalling.
Are there other solutions to my Microsoft issues, yes. Chris Titus Tech comes to mind.
But overall, the Windows ecosystem does not feel right to me anymore. Could other people still use it, yes. Am I going to stop them, not intentionally. But my Arch gaming PC runs games better than the same machine running Windows. I’ve always entertained the idea of a full switch, still have a Windows 11 dual boot and haven’t officially done it yet, but with this the moment feels right. At least for me, hopefully you can understand that.
KnitWit@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I had dual boot with win10 for a while, but when they had that ‘bug’ that was wiping peoples linux partition I dropped Windows completely. As dar as I’m concerned Linux and other FOSS in general has reached a point where it meets the majority of my needs. Same goes for local storage vs needing anything through the cloud or streeaming.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Every hang up I had eventually got solved. Except with modding games, I sorely miss Vortex or Mod Organizer and there’s no alternatives I know of besides doing it all manually.
That wasn’t a showstopper for me though. VR, HDR, Video Games were. These three are solved well enough for my tastes this year to drop my dual boot.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
The cool part is that 100% of the “AI features” they’re advertising are either not running locally or not AI at all
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
I think we have a bit of a degree of “Yep, that’s Microsoft alright” mood as a whole because it’s accepted that things are going to get worse for their users perpetually, so I personally stopped giving a shit because I already left before win10 EOL anyway. I’m guessing there’s a similar mood among others who already saw the writing on the wall.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 8 hours ago
It’s off by default.
itsworkthatwedo@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Do yrself the favor and cut the cord.
dbkblk@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
If you need 3D work, you can still use a virtual machine with kvm, it is really fast! (then ditch Windows :) )
tccpdi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Long time windows user, games retained me but I found Proton so bye bye forever windows. Now convincing my wife to switch it’s the real challenge haha
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Just do it while she’s at work!
RedStrider@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I hate windows 11 so much. Notifications are so much harder to read compared to 10 due to the right menu being nonexistant, instead we have this floating notification area that I never use. Everything takes ages to load, even on my beefy pc Settings still takes like 10 seconds to open. And it feels like the programmers died halfway though re-coding the context menus. Everything slightly more advanced can only be done through the old stuff so you end up with this awful mess where there’s no design consistency, and it takes twice the clicks to get to something.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
I work in IT and far be it for me to tell you what OS to use on your own computer.
The only thing I want to die right now, is the AI bubble. Just pop already. Holy fuck what a worthless endeavor this has been.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 hours ago
Glad I ditched windows 11 for linux mint.
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 10 hours ago
Windows is becoming so trash that a bunch of my not-that-tech-savvy friends have been hitting me up asking about gaming on various Linux distros. (Just a few years ago it was all “Linux? Haha nerd”.) And the non gamers are switching to Mac at a remarkable rate.
And things have progressed so well that even for them, after installing Mint and showing them how to use ProtonPlus to install and select Proton-GE, they’re pretty much off to the races without much further hand holding.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Four Horsemen of Apocalypse
- The country where a lot of tech countries are headquartered in, elects a wanna-be dictator
- Android restricts “sideloading” (aka: non-approved install)
- Windows has mandatory AI
- Mandatory ID Verification
mctoasterson@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
Microsoft literally wanted me to convert my desktop to e-waste as it lacks the magical TPM chip that Win11 demands.
I said “fuck that” and pulled the Boot SSD, kept the existing non-boot drives for data, and put in a brand new SSD, encrypted it and installed Pop OS in one shot.
Not only was it easy, I lost literally zero critical functionality vs. what I had with Win 10. There is a Linux app equivalent for everything I had before. I had a few driver issues but most were auto-discovered including obscure ancient printers and scanners on my network.
BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev 6 hours ago
My experience with W11 on the work laptop.
Taskbar sucks, maybe because I’m colorblind but I can te what my selected program is and programs with notifications (Teams) look like the focused program. Apparently notification boxes there are pink now. Can’t find any accessibility setting but fuck the colorblind I guess. It feels wrong to click the highlighted icon I for years have learned will mean that I minimize it…
And why all the dots? And why is the notification dot the largest, so I can even tell which window is actually focused?
Outlook doesn’t open with focus, especially the window that is supposed to pop up and warn me of upcoming meetings. Really annoying.
Teams notifications just don’t show if you are in a meeting and that is focused, they used to do that on W10.
Might be a Firefox bug, but there’s a lot of new visual bugs. Github diff view is randomly strongly colored, and randomly changes to the old weaker background colors when scrolling/resizing the windows. And a surprising amount of scrollbars in grids that weren’t there before.
I just wish W11 at least worked with the regular features of W10.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Guess I’ll be keeping mine offline forever then.
viking@infosec.pub 8 hours ago
I upgraded to Windows 11 last week after my laptop initially came with it 2 years ago, but was so bloated and slow I installed Windows 10 from USB.
With the EoL I reluctantly upgraded due to company policy, and it was running surprisingly smooth. Really thought they’d fixed it. Only that two days later when I booted the system, I had a blue screen - the first one I have seen since Windows XP.
Page fault in non-page area 0x50 - google suggests reboots, or if they don’t bring any progress, boot into safe mode and update all drivers. Only that I couldn’t boot into safe mode, the BSOD locked me out.
Second suggestion was faulty RAM. Did a memtest from boot stick, no fault.
Third suggestion was to run checkdisk and scm or whatever it was called (some system file integrity check). All good.
Fourth suggestion was to boot into recovery mode, roll back into the system image the Windows 11 installer created, and redo the upgrade. Only to find out that the system restore point had not been created, despite the info box during the installation that this was happening.
Last suggestion was to reinstall Windows 11 from the repair mode, and select the “keep files” option. The offline installer crashed at 25% repeatedly, the online installer moved to 92% and stopped there. Repeatedly, again (tried 3x, and it takes about 1h to get there).
After all that frustration I had enough of that shit and installed Windows 10 IoT LTSC with updates until 2032. When the time comes I’ll either have a new job where I can use Xubuntu, or Microsoft installed on a chip in my brain. Let’s see.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
Windows team is desperate to remain relevant.
I suspect most Microsoft revenue these days comes from Azure and the cloud version of Office. Windows OS is pretty much irrelevant other than as a platform to distribute other products.
hypna@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Finally got my last PC switched off Windows. It feels good.
Etzello@midwest.social 11 hours ago
Crazy to me that windows is finally worse than MacOS
blitzen@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
I’m dangerously close to moving my gaming pc to Linux. What’s the consensus for the best distro for gaming?
I’m comfortable enough with *nix, as my daily is MacOS and I have a home lab/server.
Skunk@jlai.lu 10 hours ago
I am 99% Tumbleweed except my gaming PC which is still on Win11 (but I haven’t seen any bloat on it, no ads in winkey menu etc).
I am a huge flight simmer and, besides Xplane, MSFS has Microsoft in its name but the problem is more about the tons of tools around the simulator rather than the sim (aircraft, peripherals, maps&nav, ATC, job manager etc). MSFS do run on proton, but plenty of background tools don’t 😔
VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
If you absolutely need to use Windows11, use Tiny11. But for the great majority of users, Zorin/Ubuntu/Mint or Bazzite are best pick
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
I’m hoping I can last one more month with my Win10 laptop. After that I’ll have the time to see if UNIX is the way to go. My laptop is almost 10 years old so I’m not sure if that would be like putting lipstick on an old pig or not.
Zacryon@feddit.org 20 minutes ago
Do they really reason like this? Oh my. That’s stupid. And here I was thinking Microsoft employs clever people.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 minutes ago
As a programmer, I’ve had numerous colleagues who have ended up as software engineers at MS. They were mostly either unbelievably lazy or extremely incompetent. The rest who were both ended up there as managers.