Intentionally breaking laws sounds like something that should be prosecuted.
Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits
Submitted 5 months ago by Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
innermachine@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It will always fall on the driver of the vehicle, as it should. I don’t care how self driving your car is, it has a steering wheel, an accelerator pedal, and a brake pedal and in the driver seat YOU are responsible with how you operate your vehicle. If u decide to trust a self driving feature that’s YOUR mistake. I would love to blame all these crashes on Tesla but the reality is that all these drivers aids and self driving cars having accidents is proof that you should be the one in control of your own vehicle. No crying about how the automotive nannies didn’t stop you from crashing the vehicle your driving, take responsibility. Don’t like it? Don’t trust the “self driving” nonsense (read: glorified advanced cruise control). Now one thing I don’t agree with is advertising as self driving, and I strongly believe self driving vehicles in public roadways should be ILLEGAL!
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Except the problem here is Tesla is lying about a product to encourage people to use it illegally and unsafely. At some point there’s extra deaths to blame solely on tesla’s lies.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
states just need to ban teslas from public road
shalafi@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’ll play the Devil’s Advocate. 15MPH over isn’t bad and is often necessary. Sometimes you have to get away from another vehicle or overtake on a 2-lane highway.
For any Europeans horrified by that statement, our roads were designed for cars from the very start.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Quick question: What is the autobahn?
Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
the incompetence of this guy holy.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Next will be teslas without airbags. Because why not.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
TBF, if they’re going to lock you in a burning car unable to exit, killing you with the dashboard or sterring column would be a mercy killing compared to burning to death inside.
replace the airbag with a letal injection perhaps?
/s
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
FSD as it is currently with human supervision is 10x safer than driving without FSD. Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report vs reports from NHTSA.
ProfessorNeurus@infosec.pub 5 months ago
It’s not safer. I know because I’ve driven one. Not only does it make it easier to get distracted for just a moment, but also, you pay less attention to the surroundings, handling of the vehicle, situational awareness, etc. Because you know you don’t “have to”.
And when it makes mistakes (and it does quite often) you’re less prepared to deal with it.
Now you’re going to parrot “but you’re supposed to be attentive at all times”, and yes, you’re right, but we’re humans. And yes, you can absolutely extrapolate that FSD is less safe because of it, because it definitely puts the final safely measure on a weak part: us.
Adaptive cruise control plus some level of Lane assist is, in my experience, safer. You’re still driving but you can relax your muscles, therefore allowing you to be less tired. More so if you have a manual transmission.
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Anecdotal. I’ve also driven one and felt it safer. I didn’t lead with that in my post because anecdotes aren’t real evidence. Please share an actual study or report or information showing it’s more dangerous.
I agree right now is a weird in between as humans will keep looking at the road but may begin to daydream. But Austin with no one in the drivers seat shows were nearly past this in between.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report
uhhhhhhh
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Those are financial documents if they’re lying and you can prove it sue them and make some money lol
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The key is “with human supervision”. Calling it Full Self Driving with “Supervised” in parentheses aftwards while putting out videos where they say the only reason there’s some behind the wheel is because of regulations (those annoying “regulations” amirite?) leads people to think they don’t really need to supervise the driving of the car.
Couple that with the fact that there are actual full self driving cars (Waymo) there’s even greater confusion.
People have been killed because of the misconceptions about Telsa cars actually being full self driving. Which they aren’t, they cheap out on the hardware needed for that to be possible, let alone the software.
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I agree the terminology is misleading and should be changed. If you’ve ever driven in one no driver with it on can be confused, the system will yell at you to look at the road.
Waymo is ahead right now in geofenced areas for sure, I like Waymo, this post was just specifically about Tesla.
Whether FSD is possible with out LiDAR is still an open question, but I think the safety personnel in Austin will be removed soon which will answer that question.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
You know what, you’re right.
You know what has an even better safety track record than a car with FSD supervised by a human?
Trains.
If your concern is actually safety, advocate for the safest methods of transportation - mass public transit, coupled with pedestrian- and bicycle-safe roads, and advocate against passenger cars, in any form.
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I would love walkable cities. I frequently bike to work you’ll get no disagreement from me there.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I don’t have stats, but my personal feeling is that car safety features trump full self driving.
Eg, you are actively driving (which ensures you are engaged and dont fall asleep, etc), but if the car sees something it can react (drifting out of lane, car slows down ahead of you, person walks in road, etc).
That seems so much safer in my opinion.
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
For the moment absolutely, that’s why the system requires your attention and will lock you out of using it fairly quickly if you are distracted. Tesla drivers on FSD are forced by their car to pay attention to the road. Surely people can see how that alone makes it safer than all of the cars that don’t know their driver is texting or whatever in a car that can’t drive itself at all.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I can’t think of a less trustworthy source. Rolling a pile of dice with words on them is likely to tell the truth more often.
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fair enough. The NHTSA probe is for 2.9 million vehicles and 53 incidents. That is far below the level of incidents humans have over that span of vehicles for any appreciable level of drive time.
Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 5 months ago
[deleted]moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Care to respond to my argument with reason or evidence and not resort to ad-hominem?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Bot found
moeggz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Did you even look at my account/post history?
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Adaptive cruise control is good enough for most people and has been a proven technology for 20+ years. FSD is just downright dangerous.
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I like my car’s version that’s just adaptive cruise control combined with using lidar maps of major roads to do lane-centering. I can go on a road trip and not touch the gas, break, or steering wheel for hours, but I have to drive it myself through residential neighborhoods.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
what type of car? my outback isn’t bad but it’s not quite that good, especially if there’s a stiff breeze
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This is good enough imo!
mhague@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Need jammers to confuse and break Teslas. They’re weapons designed to break laws and protect occupants at the expense of bystanders. Can’t be mad if a bystander redirects your Tesla into a ditch.
Woht24@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Do you ever return and read your posts back?
mhague@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That’s a great question!
I do indeed read my posts back—how else would I proofread them? 🤖
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 months ago
as long as it doesn’t break the other ones. not all of the safety features we’ve developed in the last quarter century are bullshit
architect@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
Eh I have a hard time believing anything made or done in the last 20ish years was done for anything other than money.
Soggy@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Hmm. I think lane-assist probably makes people worse at driving. Anything that lets people pay less attention on the road does, it trains drivers to be less alert. Adaptive cruise and automatic braking are probably a net benefit but “car safety” is not trending in the right direction.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
protect occupants
It doesn’t even do that. You crash a tesla and start a fire, it will glady lock you in the car.
modus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Can’t have too many witnesses after all.
firewyre@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Why do we continue to allow this company to exist and break the law?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Texas
Jeremyward@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Corruption
cley_faye@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Money
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 5 months ago
By these powers combined…
webdox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
He’s been real quiet lately. No more talks of release the list or the America Party. Did his K plug go on vacation?
Zron@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Now trump is black bagging US citizens in broad daylight, and Musk is an immigrant who fully admitted that he originally entered the country illegally. The danger must have creeped its way through his ketamine addled brain.
architect@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
I can promise you he doesn’t even think about that.
He’s busy with his little Internet cult right now and I’m assuming some other malicious bullshit to fuck us with.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Musk also has a private army of security contractors (and someone like him probably has mercenaries off killing people in other countries too)
he’s far too much trouble to go after, if you’re DHS, regardless if you’re Trump DHS or Democrat DHS. someone like that is ungovernable.
axexrx@lemmy.world 5 months ago
He didnt buy ihs gold plated visa?
kureta@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
They finally did it. They automated crime 👍
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can’t drive anymore.
thepompe@ttrpg.network 5 months ago
Man, holding the company financially accountable for all traffic violations would be magnificent.
It’s a shame we’re too stupid/weak to pull it off.
Woht24@lemmy.world 5 months ago
How the world works by a 7 year old
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
CEOs like you’re talking about, they dont drive.
the only time they’ll step behind the wheel of a car is for a pleasure cruise in some multi million dollar supercar on a track, or a closed / private road.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
So what? Them driving is not relevant to this at all. The idea is that the cars they sell become illegal.
dan1101@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Somebody needs to be responsible, otherwise ban self driving until someone figures it out. Impound the vehicle if need be.
Bubippbasbir@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What? You can’t just demand accountability from AI bros, that would destroy their whole business model.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
They shouldn’t even be able to market it as self driving if they don’t insure the self driving mode itself.
tlmcleod@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Tesla drivers have the highest accident rates. There’s already thousands of civil lawsuits. They should have prosecuted him years ago.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
That has already happened…like a handful of times at least.
drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
bail out the idiots that bought cybertrucks?
eehhhh…
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
This article is hysterical, I can’t believe its not an onion article.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 5 months ago
Remember when Elon said how self driving would make roads safer?
D_C@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I do remember when musky boy said lies. Many, many lies…
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 months ago
I drive a Tesla. I live in Connecticut, speed limits are set very low and are ignored by just about everybody Including police, as long as you’re not driving recklessly.
The problem with the latest FSD versions is they take precise speed control out of the driver’s hands. In previous versions, you could manually set a maximum speed. Now you cannot, you only pick one of these driving profiles.
So for example if I’m driving on a 55 mph highway, and all the other cars are doing 75 mph, I have to pick the ‘Hurry’ profile which also hangs out in the left lane and makes a lot of lane changes and faster acceleration/braking. I would much rather drive standard style but with higher speed, but that isn’t an option.
thepompe@ttrpg.network 5 months ago
I drive a Tesla.
You got scammed, buddy. Great job.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Funny, I don’t feel scammed.
Drives better than any car I’ve owned previously. The ‘fuel’ cost is less than 1/2 of an equivalent gas car- and that’s if I’m using peak hour Superchargers. The maintenance is significantly less- no oil changes, timing belts, etc, just rotate tires and change cabin air filters. And the car drives itself when I want it to.
So if by ‘getting scammed’ you mean ‘have a car that costs way less to operate, is far more reliable, has more safety features, has more functionality, has a gas pump in my garage, and I can preheat it in my garage without dying of CO poisoning’ then yeah absolutely I’ve gotten scammed and I’d love to be scammed like this more frequently :D
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 5 months ago
There are easier ways to get yourself killed and they don’t also put families in harm’s way
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 months ago
FSD does not mean push the button and take a nap. I am still attentive to the road while it is in use. I believe it actually makes me a safer driver, because I can focus more attention on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car, without needing to focus on the task of staying in lane and maintaining the correct speed.
mriormro@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I drive a tesla
Self own, tbh.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Or… you could just drive yourself.
scarabic@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Dude can we get so much as a copyright violation from Warner Bros on this shit?
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
And all the innocent people that get splattered in the process will just be chimps shot into space
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Enshittification
AtariDump@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So there’s finally a “New Jersey” mode.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 5 months ago
FSD is a mess. But this is how normal people drive. 15mph isnt all that much on a lot of roads.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 5 months ago
which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes
Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
“Witness me” mode to visit vallhalla sooner.
Teal@piefed.zip 5 months ago
With the exception of not being low cost items, Tesla blended with a little SpaceX could become Spacers Choice from The Outer Worlds.
“At Spacer’s Choice, we cut corners so you don’t have to”.
“It’s not the best choice, it’s Spacer’s Choice”.
“Taste the freedom”.
greasewizard@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
I can’t wait to get paralyzed by a cybertruck veering in to me at the highway
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“Hurry mode” lol. I’m pretty sure every driving instruction manual ever made says something like “don’t drive like you’re in a hurry.”
TomMasz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.
etherphon@piefed.world 5 months ago
Since it seems to be unsafe at any speed, why not.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 months ago
you, too, can die at the hands of AI and become forever enshrined as algorithmic data to help improve Tesla’s subscription services sales to the very wealthy and hostile
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Oh hell naw, I thought I bit the onion 💀