Why do we continue to allow this company to exist and break the law?
Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits
Submitted 1 day ago by Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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firewyre@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Jeremyward@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Corruption
cley_faye@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Money
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
By these powers combined…
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Texas
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Adaptive cruise control is good enough for most people and has been a proven technology for 20+ years. FSD is just downright dangerous.
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I like my car’s version that’s just adaptive cruise control combined with using lidar maps of major roads to do lane-centering. I can go on a road trip and not touch the gas, break, or steering wheel for hours, but I have to drive it myself through residential neighborhoods.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
what type of car? my outback isn’t bad but it’s not quite that good, especially if there’s a stiff breeze
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
This is good enough imo!
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 day ago
you, too, can die at the hands of AI and become forever enshrined as algorithmic data to help improve Tesla’s subscription services sales to the very wealthy and hostile
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Yep. This is inevitable. Whenever we get to the point where consumers are controlling the aggression of the self driving, which will happen no matter laws are past.
Ultimately it’s all just code on hardware.
Tesla is definitely doing their fuck around, still waiting to find out on this one. Eventually that liability will catch up with them. The question is months, years, or decades.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 hours ago
When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can’t drive anymore.
Woht24@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
How the world works by a 7 year old
dan1101@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Somebody needs to be responsible, otherwise ban self driving until someone figures it out. Impound the vehicle if need be.
Bubippbasbir@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
What? You can’t just demand accountability from AI bros, that would destroy their whole business model.
drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
bail out the idiots that bought cybertrucks?
eehhhh…
tlmcleod@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
That has already happened…like a handful of times at least.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
They shouldn’t even be able to market it as self driving if they don’t insure the self driving mode itself.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
CEOs like you’re talking about, they dont drive.
the only time they’ll step behind the wheel of a car is for a pleasure cruise in some multi million dollar supercar on a track, or a closed / private road.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
So what? Them driving is not relevant to this at all. The idea is that the cars they sell become illegal.
webdox@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
He’s been real quiet lately. No more talks of release the list or the America Party. Did his K plug go on vacation?
Zron@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Now trump is black bagging US citizens in broad daylight, and Musk is an immigrant who fully admitted that he originally entered the country illegally. The danger must have creeped its way through his ketamine addled brain.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Musk also has a private army of security contractors (and someone like him probably has mercenaries off killing people in other countries too)
he’s far too much trouble to go after, if you’re DHS, regardless if you’re Trump DHS or Democrat DHS. someone like that is ungovernable.
axexrx@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
He didnt buy ihs gold plated visa?
kureta@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
They finally did it. They automated crime 👍
Mwa@thelemmy.club 4 hours ago
the incompetence of this guy holy.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Next will be teslas without airbags. Because why not.
mhague@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Need jammers to confuse and break Teslas. They’re weapons designed to break laws and protect occupants at the expense of bystanders. Can’t be mad if a bystander redirects your Tesla into a ditch.
Woht24@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Do you ever return and read your posts back?
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
protect occupants
It doesn’t even do that. You crash a tesla and start a fire, it will glady lock you in the car.
modus@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Can’t have too many witnesses after all.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
as long as it doesn’t break the other ones. not all of the safety features we’ve developed in the last quarter century are bullshit
Soggy@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Hmm. I think lane-assist probably makes people worse at driving. Anything that lets people pay less attention on the road does, it trains drivers to be less alert. Adaptive cruise and automatic braking are probably a net benefit but “car safety” is not trending in the right direction.
etherphon@piefed.world 1 day ago
Since it seems to be unsafe at any speed, why not.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Because now it can hurt others going even faster
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Maybe it comes with a “scape the police over the border” bottom.
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The less time you’re at the cars mercy… /s
ripcord@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because there are levels of unsafe and this is more unsafe
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I mean, yeah. True. But to push back a little, driving at the actual speed of traffic is often safer than driving the official speed limit.
The real world and written law don’t always line up, the speed limit is one of those areas.
etherphon@piefed.world 8 hours ago
Certainly, especially when it comes to things like MERGING which is an arcane art to some.
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I’ll play the Devil’s Advocate. 15MPH over isn’t bad and is often necessary. Sometimes you have to get away from another vehicle or overtake on a 2-lane highway.
For any Europeans horrified by that statement, our roads were designed for cars from the very start.
TomMasz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Even if you’re just minding your business when a sleeping pilled-out middle manager from Subway corporate plows into your 98 Corolla in their Tesla at 100 mph leaving your family without a father and source of income because a billionaire nazi who’s constantly off his nut on ketamine decided rules are stupid and don’t apply to him and the entire societal structure designed to prevent this from happening has been hollowed out by incompetent bigots who absolutely rate high on the sociopath scale because nazi media has ensnared 51% of the population and now you dead.
other_cat@piefed.zip 19 hours ago
I agree with you but may I offer you a comma in these trying times?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
can it be my old shitty 94 ford tempo instead i really hated that car
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
the cow catcher i put on front? with all those “decorative” bones and limbs in it? why yes it’s purely cosmetic and is not at all indicative of my premeditated intention to FSD through a crowd.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social 1 day ago
I’m not sure what this system does, but my non-Tesla car can adjust its intelligent cruise control by speed limit signs it sees, and you can tell it to have a buffer. Mine is set for +5, so if the sign says 45 miles per hour, the car drives itself at 50 mph.
If it’s something like that, which you set yourself, it’s probably fine. Just know what the police in your area enforce. Where I live you can generally go five over without an issue, ten over on the freeways. Everyone does this, so if you go the speed limit you end up annoying everyone.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
I’ve driven by a few radar speed indicators in my car, and I’m consistently going 4 km/h less than what my digital speedometer says, regardless of speed. I find it difficult to believe this is an accident. So if I had your vehicle and it behaved like my speedometer does, I would still only be +1 over the limit. Also, I now drive with my speedometer +5 to +9 relative to the speed limit, which keeps me more in line with the traffic around me.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
So dumb that society collectively agreed that 35 means 40, 40 means 45, 45 means 50, etc.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
This is kinda dumb. So they have to adjust speed limits below safe levels so you don’t get over it?
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
If it didn’t, it would be pretty damn annoying as cars always show higher than actual speed. I’ve had to set our BMW to do +8km/h so that it actually does 120km/h on GPS.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
slips the cop a hundred, or five
“enjoy your trip, carry on”
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 1 day ago
which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes
Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
I drive a Tesla. I live in Connecticut, speed limits are set very low and are ignored by just about everybody Including police, as long as you’re not driving recklessly.
The problem with the latest FSD versions is they take precise speed control out of the driver’s hands. In previous versions, you could manually set a maximum speed. Now you cannot, you only pick one of these driving profiles.
So for example if I’m driving on a 55 mph highway, and all the other cars are doing 75 mph, I have to pick the ‘Hurry’ profile which also hangs out in the left lane and makes a lot of lane changes and faster acceleration/braking. I would much rather drive standard style but with higher speed, but that isn’t an option.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
Or… you could just drive yourself.
mriormro@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
I drive a tesla
Self own, tbh.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 hours ago
There are easier ways to get yourself killed and they don’t also put families in harm’s way
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
FSD does not mean push the button and take a nap. I am still attentive to the road while it is in use. I believe it actually makes me a safer driver, because I can focus more attention on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car, without needing to focus on the task of staying in lane and maintaining the correct speed.
Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
Spyware on wheels won’t let me break the law
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not saying this as an insult, I am simply stating a fact that you are completely and totally mistaken.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Why use FSD though if you would still need to pay attention and be ready to take over the car? I understand cruise control to a degree but the other stuff I dont see how its helpful to rely on a computer that can malfunction at any moment.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
Finally an actual intelligent question that isn’t just ‘fuck Tesla’.
FSD has gotten very very good. On the highway, it is a better driver than I am. I have had my car for a few years, I have driven many hundreds of hours on FSD, and it has only really tried to do something stupid twice, both of them some time ago on much older software. I don’t even have the most recent software because my car is computer is generation 3, I’m running the last one that was available for HW3 (version 12) but I have a lot of time on it so I am quite familiar with what it can and cannot do.
As such, I gain trust by experience, by watching it perform. So I know which situations I can trust it to do the right thing, and which situations I cannot.That means in one of the situations where I trust it, such as on the highway, I can turn it on and leave it the task of staying in lane and maintaining speed. I can focus my attention then on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car. Even if I am doing something else like eating a sandwich, which would otherwise distract my attention and make me a less safe driver, I feel the result is overall more safe because the computer is watching 360° around the car and I am maintaining situational awareness of what I can see. I believe this creates the most safe situation.
Using highway driving like that, there have been a couple situations where the car reacted to something that I hadn’t even seen yet and potentially avoided an accident. For example, there was one situation where a very reckless driver was coming up from behind in the right lane and merging into our lane. I didn’t see it because I was looking forward, Tesla did because the cameras are looking everywhere. Tesla’s reaction was to slow down and change lanes away from the guy, which was the correct response. The car started reacting before I was even aware of the threat, and because the car had already cleared the space it was changing lanes into, it was able to start that lane change faster than I could because I would have looked over the shoulder first…
There have also been a few situations where I reacted to something the car was not reacting to yet and while it would not have resulted in an accident, it did increase safety by my intervention. Basic example is I am in the far right lane, there is an entry exit lane to the right which is ending and I know it is ending but the car doesn’t necessarily. I know the car slightly ahead and to the right of me is going to have to merge into my lane, so I manually slow down the car to give him a space to come in whereas Tesla would have just maintained speed and he would have had to slow down and go behind me.
I would strongly encourage you to disregard a lot of The crap you read in the news and online, much of it written by people who intrinsically hate Elon and anything he has ever touched, and go test drive the car. I’m not saying go buy the car, I’m saying go have the experience of actually using FSD so you can see first hand exactly what it is like.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
All these L2 systems (not just Tesla’s) really do lower the cognitive load and makes things easier, even if you still have to pay attention.
Remember when you were learning to drive and making sure you did everything right took up a lot of your cognitive ability while driving, maybe you couldn’t even carry on a conversation and drive, and as you got more experienced, a lot of it became second nature, and the load on driving became less?
Well that load is still there, it’s just less, and this can lower it further even if you are paying attention.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
I got a tesla and I don’t fucking trust that shit to not slam me in to a barrier
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“that breaks speed limits” can be ok.
I have seen a number of US interstates at 55mph, when traffic moves at 70-80mph. Being stuck at 55mph on those interstates is dangerous.
blitzen@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
The fact that this FSD mode comes with “more frequent lane changes” means it isn’t just keeping up with traffic. It’s designed to go faster than traffic. Stop making herr Elon’s points for him.
TheFogan@programming.dev 1 day ago
I do aknowledge that’s always going to be the problem when we have the human + AI driver combinations.
Safest hypothetical is 100% AIs that always follow the same rules… next safest is humans that break the rules, but in a context aware situation (IE everyone going 70 in a 55, is safer than 1 car going 55 and all other cars going 70).
Real danger though is if the AI doesn’t make good judgement calls when doing so. IE rather than deciding based on how fast other cars are going, it’s primary determination is whether the user says they are in a hurry, leading it to sometimes be the one car going 55, but if the person is in a hurry it may be the only car going 70 on a road everyone else is going 55.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s not speed that kills. It’s acceleration. Everyone doing 70 means nobody is an obstacle. But one person doing 55 in that situation is effectively a rolling road block. Even if they’re not hit by someone else they’ll cause accidents as people change lanes to get around them.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 21 hours ago
Remember when Elon said how self driving would make roads safer?
moeggz@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
FSD as it is currently with human supervision is 10x safer than driving without FSD. Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report vs reports from NHTSA.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
And all the innocent people that get splattered in the process will just be chimps shot into space
AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So there’s finally a “New Jersey” mode.
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Dude can we get so much as a copyright violation from Warner Bros on this shit?
greasewizard@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I can’t wait to get paralyzed by a cybertruck veering in to me at the highway
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“Hurry mode” lol. I’m pretty sure every driving instruction manual ever made says something like “don’t drive like you’re in a hurry.”
Teal@piefed.zip 1 day ago
With the exception of not being low cost items, Tesla blended with a little SpaceX could become Spacers Choice from The Outer Worlds.
“At Spacer’s Choice, we cut corners so you don’t have to”.
“It’s not the best choice, it’s Spacer’s Choice”.
“Taste the freedom”.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
This article is hysterical, I can’t believe its not an onion article.
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
“Witness me” mode to visit vallhalla sooner.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Enshittification
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 1 day ago
FSD is a mess. But this is how normal people drive. 15mph isnt all that much on a lot of roads.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 25 minutes ago
states just need to ban teslas from public road