moeggz
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- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
I don’t like Elon and nothing in my comment was defending him.
Please at least admit that you lose the moral high ground when in a debate you admit to not reading the other view point at all and personally insult your opponent.
- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
My source wasn’t Tesla.
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I won’t retract my statement but I added a link to tesladeaths.com showing that FSD has only caused 2 fatalities over its entire lifetime of miles. Even at 1/10th of Tesla’s reported miles that’s safer than a human.
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Thank you for the source! I agree that Tesla should’ve halted FSD and went all in on ensuring FSD sees and stops for busses, this is dangerous and mishandled.
My original claim wasn’t that FSD or Tesla is perfect, just already safer than humans.
Please note my below sources are from 2024 to get a full year and have data before the Trump administration. This means that the software is older and so doesn’t hit my 10x claim but does hit 5x. I’m confident 2025 will hit 10x.
nhtsa.gov/…/nhtsa-estimates-39345-traffic-fatalit…
1.2 fatalities per 100 million miles
Tesla 2024 fleet size(yes a Tesla source but tesladeaths is not up to date on fleet size)
x.com/tesla_ai/status/1905644814483251709
2.16 billion miles 2024 Expected deaths 34
Actual deaths 6
(Would’ve used this source for fleet size miles as well but not updated since 2019)
I’ve used a basically entirely biased against Tesla source for deaths. With their numbers Tesla fsd is still multiple times safer than a human.
For the record, I could find no record of FSD actually hitting a child getting on a bus. It’s still a supervised system and human drivers are aware it doesn’t work with busses and take action to stop for the bus. The coming update does in fact now stop for busses so it is being addressed, albeit I agree not with the speed and seriousness such a miss should merit.
I’d rather have a system with a human and computer ensuring safety. Even if at the moment there are still for sure situations where the computer is far worse than a human, it being better in the majority of cases still makes it more safe to have than not have.
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Again you’ve yet to actually debate my sources or provide your own. You may continue to insult me or mock me as much as you want I’m not interested in a conversation without actual discussion of the facts.
- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
Four hours later that video wasn’t so easy to find was it?
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This conversation isn’t productive. Agree to disagree have a nice day.
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Anecdotal. I’ve also driven one and felt it safer. I didn’t lead with that in my post because anecdotes aren’t real evidence. Please share an actual study or report or information showing it’s more dangerous.
I agree right now is a weird in between as humans will keep looking at the road but may begin to daydream. But Austin with no one in the drivers seat shows were nearly past this in between.
- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
Share me a video of the current version 13.2.9 being easily tricked.
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Could you please share a video showing this demonstrated on version 13.2.9? I will happily watch and admit you were right if you can find a video of the current version being easily tricked.
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Calling me stupid is attacking my character in my view but sure I mislabeled it when it was an insult. Your point?
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Those are financial documents if they’re lying and you can prove it sue them and make some money lol
- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
I agree the terminology is misleading and should be changed. If you’ve ever driven in one no driver with it on can be confused, the system will yell at you to look at the road.
Waymo is ahead right now in geofenced areas for sure, I like Waymo, this post was just specifically about Tesla.
Whether FSD is possible with out LiDAR is still an open question, but I think the safety personnel in Austin will be removed soon which will answer that question.
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I would love walkable cities. I frequently bike to work you’ll get no disagreement from me there.
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So you admit I’m not a bot? A persistent chiefs fan is a real person.
- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
I never claimed that Tesla invented that system just stated that cars with it (teslas others) are safer than the majority of ones without.
Your second sentence is impossible with the way the system works, perhaps pornos aren’t good sources for accurate information?
If there’s no replacement for solid trustworthy data in your mind I don’t think this is a worthwhile conversation if you will trust literally no source.
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No disagreement that the safer option is not driving at all.
I don’t think a car driving itself where you tell it is giving up human self determination tho.
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Not only can it, it is a required part of FSD. You can not operate it without it making sure your eyes are on the road. Every source looking at actual incidents per mile driven shows that FSD (and Waymo and the others) is already safer than human drivers. I’d be happy to be proven wrong on that.
There are incidents. It’s not perfect, but right now that’s why humans must still be actively paying attention.
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Do you think a car that alerts you if you look away from the road and forces you to pay attention or you lose your ability to use the new features is less safe than a vehicle that is unaware of the driver is texting/sleeping or whatever?
What type of source would you trust on this? If you don’t trust NHTSA what is your basis for saying Tesla FSD is unsafe?
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For the moment absolutely, that’s why the system requires your attention and will lock you out of using it fairly quickly if you are distracted. Tesla drivers on FSD are forced by their car to pay attention to the road. Surely people can see how that alone makes it safer than all of the cars that don’t know their driver is texting or whatever in a car that can’t drive itself at all.
- Comment on Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits 3 weeks ago:
Or try this link from the government of Austin Link
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Fair enough. The NHTSA probe is for 2.9 million vehicles and 53 incidents. That is far below the level of incidents humans have over that span of vehicles for any appreciable level of drive time.
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Care to respond to my argument with reason or evidence and not resort to ad-hominem?
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Did you even look at my account/post history?
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FSD as it is currently with human supervision is 10x safer than driving without FSD. Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report vs reports from NHTSA.