Any non-cunts in the EV manufacturing space? Or is that a prerequisite?
Tesla sales plunge 40% in Europe as Chinese EV rival BYD's triple
Submitted 11 hours ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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58008@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
How tf does someone with a bajillion dollars look like a pile of wet garbage bags at 54? Aren’t they all supposed to be using lotions made from aardvark assholes and incubus foreskins to maintain immortality?
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
You laugh, but it’s worse than you might think.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Literal vampire shit lmao.
simplejack@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Both cars support oppressive dictators, but one is cheaper, supports CarPlay / Android auto, and has actually buttons for things.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I am not sure you can say BYD supports a dictator per se, more like it exists in a state capitalist country where you exist at the behest of the dictator.
Elon actively pushed and spent money to get trump elected.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Well played sir, well played.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
Pooh bear is actually starting to look less oppressive in comparison these last 7 months tbh
simplejack@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
To be fair, the CCP has already done a lot of armed crackdowns and disappearing. They’re in the phase where people are too scared to resist.
yucandu@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Trump is definitely headed in China’s direction, but MSNBC is still allowed to exist.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
This is what I hate. One is owned by a fuck cunt. The other is owned by china. Neither one are actually good options if you are not buying one because of their beliefs
Patch@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
Other options exist; you don’t have to buy either. Volkswagen Group, Audi, Renault, BMW, Fiat etc all make EVs in Europe. Hyundai & Kia also both make excellent EVs.
Buying a Tesla is a choice these days. Nobody trips and falls into Tesla ownership. And although those cheap Chinese manufacturers look mighty tempting, they’re not the only alternative out there.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Good thing the Tesla board voted to give Elmo all those billions to make him stay, because for a second there was an actual risk that Tesla could survive as a company without Elmo, but now they kept him and made sure they’ll all go down off that cliff.
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
There is no way I would tickle him!
Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 1 hour ago
What if you could use a baseball bat? Maybe with nails in it.
DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Come on Canada, let us have cheap BYD, fuck the US economy.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I’m all for fuck the US but don’t you think Canada can make it’s own cars? Being dependent on China’s economy is no better than being dependent on the US or Europe.
DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
While Canada making its own affordable, long range EV’s would be ideal in the long run, we literally have no canadian-owned production facilities or brands that currently can, or do produce low or mid end cars, and Canada seems to have no interest in subsidising those.
Which means, in the short run, I want a vehicle I can afford to buy that doesn’t give me range anxiety, and the only reason I can’t is because Canada literally doubled the price of the cars that currently exist that fit my requirements because the US asked them to.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
nah, forget about them
let us have economical cars because we don’t need these massive expensive things just to go 5km to get a load of groceries
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.
A bike costs a fraction of a car
Bicycle infrastructure building and maintenance costs a fraction of that for cars
Bicycles don’t emit CO2. And for those wise asses saying that the cyclist does, it’s a fraction of a fraction of a car because you’re not lugging 2 tonnes of stell around to transport you and a bottle of milk.
Cycling infrastructure is much more efficient, you can push a shit tonne more people over the same road if you don’t need big ass cars. Yes, even your Mercedes smart car is I ass compared to a bicycle
It creates much much less pollution from tire dust
It’s much safer, bicycles kill only a fraction of the people that cars kill all year round
It’s healthier, people do exercise not because they went to the gym, but all day every day with their bikes
It cuts the noise pollution
It’s cheaper because no taxes, no gas needed, maintenance is a fraction of that of a car.
It’s way less wasteful
It lowers aggression. Though it may or may not exist, I’ve never heard of bicycle road rage
Need more?
Less cars is less parking spaces. Parking spaces get cities barely any taxable income. Instead of these ugly ass concrete wasteland parkitsoaces you can now have restaurants with outside patios which can be taxed. Couple that with the cheaper infrastructure, and that alone should be an obvious reason as to why do this
It’s really not that much slower. For typical short trips, bicycles usually only add some 10-20% of required time to your trip.
For any trip over say, 5-10 kilometers, use good public transportation
For those once in a lifetime trips where you actually need a car because you need to transport something huge, use one of those Evo rent-a-car.
In the Netherlands, a huge amount of people don’t have a car. Not because they can’t (they totally can) but because it’s stupid to have one. You can go everywhere by bike, you can jump with your bike in a train when needed to go further, cars are expensive and bad for everyone, why even have one?
MyOpinion@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
Not one more penny for this Nazi!
tfm@piefed.europe.pub 10 hours ago
Let me guess, the stock did go up?
kiku@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Today down 1.37%, but up 7.14% overall for the week.
tfm@piefed.europe.pub 10 hours ago
I'm sure the free market knows what's right /s
Ulrich@feddit.org 10 hours ago
CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs (and many other emerging technologies) which basically forces people to buy them, so it shouldn’t be any surprise they’re selling them like crazy. Meanwhile conservatives are stripping incentives away.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs
Not really. Metal is cheap. Lithium and rare earths are cheap. Abundance policies for raw materials aren’t subsidies. Inflation is low and so are interest rates, and so factories are also cheap. Abundance in robotics too. Highly automated factories make low cost cars.
Prices are not absurdly lower than western cars. Maybe $5k less for equivalent to Tesla, and
which basically forces people to buy them
a key program in China is not from CCP. City governments give licence plates to EVs letting them drive every day. There is a trade in incentive, and sales tax break, still, afaik, but all of that is less than what US had, and EVs without subsidies are cheaper than ICE vehicles, as they are starting to be in the west as well.
You are being downvoted because you don’t know what you’re talking about, and “everyone’s a tankie” for not being as uninformed or propagandized as you.
rainwall@piefed.social 10 hours ago
You should learn about US fossil fuel subsidies. The US alone pumps almost 800 billion/yr into subsidising the industry.
China tossing 40 Billions/yr into EV subsidies is basically pocket change comparatively.
Ulrich@feddit.org 9 hours ago
We are not having a pissing match over which country is worse, we are discussing why China is dominating the EV market.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
Doesn’t the EU balance it out with tariffs?
Those cheap BYDs ain’t all that cheap here
Now if EU increased subsidies for domestic EV production, domestic solar panel production, etc… We could really have something great.
Ulrich@feddit.org 6 hours ago
Doesn’t the EU balance it out with tariffs?
No.
Those cheap BYDs ain’t all that cheap here
Yes they are.
Now if EU increased subsidies for domestic EV production, domestic solar panel production, etc… We could really have something great.
Truth there.
tyra@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Good! I‘m grateful that the CCP is stepping in where the West is ignorant. Thanks to heavy lobbying by fossil fuels and car industries we would never have affordable cars in Europe without China. Thank you Xi Jinping for saving the climate 🙏
Ulrich@feddit.org 10 hours ago
LOOOOOLOLOLOL have you looked at China’s greenhouse gas contributions lately? They don’t give a fuck about the climate, they’re just trying to drive other countries out of the market.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
E: holy shit, the Lemmy tankies are real
Nope, you are just wrong. I guarantee you I’m not a tankie, but I think it’s pretty clear that USA has absolutely also subsidized electric cars, especially Tesla that has been generously subsidized in multiple ways, also subsidizing their charging network.
On top of that, USA has prevented a lot of outside competition with tariffs.All in all i am personally sick and tired of Americans always pointing fingers at the Chinese for doing the exact same thing Americans are doing.
Ulrich@feddit.org 7 hours ago
Nope you are just wrong and intentionally spreading false equivalencies and making strawman arguments.
Let’s put aside for a moment the fact that I only spoke negatively about the US, and instead focus on the fact that the US has subsidized electric vehicles from around the world to the tune of $1B in an effort to promote the sales of clean vehicles. China has subsidized to the tune of $230B for domestic vehicles only.
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Just read an article recently that while battery cell cost has fallen and overall capacity have risen, price of EVs continues to rise.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
in 2024 in the west they were falling still. Europe stats are strong for all EVs. Should not be Tesla vs BYD. cleantechnica.com/…/eu-overtakes-the-rest-of-the-… 29% growth in first half of the year, and even higher in July. BEVs+Hybrids is almost 60% of sales. PHEV+BEV 24%, which is much higher than US, though behind China. Total car sales up, while ICE sales down.
European brands doing well. I don’t know the prices of every model, but they have to be providing value to be doing so well.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Also it’s much easier to triple a small number than a big one.
sundray@lemmus.org 8 hours ago
Quick Elon, buy the President of Europe! /s
Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
If he could be would try
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 hours ago
Hell yeah
GaMEChld@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I don’t know about you but I drive over 5-10km regularly. For a short miserable stretch my daily commute was 90 miles. Buying household groceries or anything of size sounds annoying or impossible on bike. And then there’s work tools and whatnot that many professionals keep in vehicle.
drmoose@lemmy.world 27 minutes ago
The ebike option meme is so laughable. I recently did some research on cargo bikes and the entry models cost as much as a used ICE car with no air con, no rain cover, no heating, no safety. Ebike people are straight up delusional in thinking this is ready to replace cars.
Getting a second hand ice car is objectively the best thing you can do right now for everyone involved unless you ride half a million km a year.
sobchak@programming.dev 50 minutes ago
I’m completely out of shape and don’t exercise at all, but commuted to work on a bike when my workplace was ~5 miles away. Wasn’t hard at all and only took a little longer than a car. Had a rack on the back and bags to pick up groceries too. If you need carry a lot of heavy tools every day, it obviously wouldn’t be ideal. Even then a bicycle trailer could be used up to something like 100lbs.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Tesla vs BYD is overhyped in Europe. Car sales rose 8%. Many European brands did better than this average. Hybrid and EV growth at about 35% in Europe should be story. Fine Tesla is sucking. We get it.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
It’s important to teach everyone that being a racist Nazi is a bad business strategy.
bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Oh no! I think I left the oven on
simplejack@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Elon Musk: “I love ovens”
FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Jenson Huang; Hold my beer!
drmoose@lemmy.world 23 minutes ago
I’m genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.