Good thing the Tesla board voted to give Elmo all those billions to make him stay, because for a second there was an actual risk that Tesla could survive as a company without Elmo, but now they kept him and made sure they’ll all go down off that cliff.
Tesla sales plunge 40% in Europe as Chinese EV rival BYD's triple
Submitted 2 months ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There is no way I would tickle him!
Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 1 month ago
What if you could use a baseball bat? Maybe with nails in it.
tfm@piefed.europe.pub 2 months ago
Let me guess, the stock did go up?
kiku@feddit.org 2 months ago
Today down 1.37%, but up 7.14% overall for the week.
tfm@piefed.europe.pub 2 months ago
I'm sure the free market knows what's right /s
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
How tf does someone with a bajillion dollars look like a pile of wet garbage bags at 54? Aren’t they all supposed to be using lotions made from aardvark assholes and incubus foreskins to maintain immortality?
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You laugh, but it’s worse than you might think.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Literal vampire shit lmao.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Well it turns out that ketamine isn’t the elixir of life.
D_C@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
You take that back. You take that back right now!!
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.
Zetta@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won’t do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What a defeatist take.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data
Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state…
9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Or… live in a place or advocate for a place where spyware cars arent a necessity for simply existing…
When something is 100% required for life, someone WILL exploit it
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Why would someone who doesn’t live in China give a shit about Chinese spyware, especially when the alternative is any of the big US/EU manufacturers who happily hand your information to your own government?
China can’t do shit to yall. I’d include myself in there, but I quite enjoyed my time in China and intend to return, so Chinese spyware could actually be a threat to me.
lmuel@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Even ignoring that horrendously simple minded reason for not caring about privacy…
You’d still support the CCP lol
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
enemy of my enemy shit, I suppose.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Is it. I know it’s a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
The evidence is in the fact that it’s a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?
Iambus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
[deleted]Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Can always count on slurs from people who imagine tankies behind every rock.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Lemmy is weird. As long as you’re on the dogpile against the current “big bad” of the week, you’re good to go. Fuck Tesla? Then let’s buy Chinese products.
It’s insane, but it’s where we are.
It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.
Let’s not forget that they are actively committing genocide against the Uighur. I don’t think they are the “lesser evil”.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Or still actively occupy Tibet, how conveniently everyone forgot that but yay a slightly cheaper car!
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I’m genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy
You are surprised… people on lemmy like something from china? I guess you know not a lot about lemmy lol
freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Do you carry a cell phone?
Iambus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lemmy has always been retarded like that.
fodor@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Right right, of course that’s true, and it’s also true that many people have requirements that can only be met by a few vehicles on the market.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I pick the cheapest.
DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Come on Canada, let us have cheap BYD, fuck the US economy.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
nah, forget about them
let us have economical cars because we don’t need these massive expensive things just to go 5km to get a load of groceries
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.
A bike costs a fraction of a car
Bicycle infrastructure building and maintenance costs a fraction of that for cars
Bicycles don’t emit CO2. And for those wise asses saying that the cyclist does, it’s a fraction of a fraction of a car because you’re not lugging 2 tonnes of stell around to transport you and a bottle of milk.
Cycling infrastructure is much more efficient, you can push a shit tonne more people over the same road if you don’t need big ass cars. Yes, even your Mercedes smart car is I ass compared to a bicycle
It creates much much less pollution from tire dust
It’s much safer, bicycles kill only a fraction of the people that cars kill all year round
It’s healthier, people do exercise not because they went to the gym, but all day every day with their bikes
It cuts the noise pollution
It’s cheaper because no taxes, no gas needed, maintenance is a fraction of that of a car.
It’s way less wasteful
It lowers aggression. Though it may or may not exist, I’ve never heard of bicycle road rage
Need more?
Less cars is less parking spaces. Parking spaces get cities barely any taxable income. Instead of these ugly ass concrete wasteland parkitsoaces you can now have restaurants with outside patios which can be taxed. Couple that with the cheaper infrastructure, and that alone should be an obvious reason as to why do this
It’s really not that much slower. For typical short trips, bicycles usually only add some 10-20% of required time to your trip.
For any trip over say, 5-10 kilometers, use good public transportation
For those once in a lifetime trips where you actually need a car because you need to transport something huge, use one of those Evo rent-a-car.
In the Netherlands, a huge amount of people don’t have a car. Not because they can’t (they totally can) but because it’s stupid to have one. You can go everywhere by bike, you can jump with your bike in a train when needed to go further, cars are expensive and bad for everyone, why even have one?
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m all for fuck the US but don’t you think Canada can make it’s own cars? Being dependent on China’s economy is no better than being dependent on the US or Europe.
DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
While Canada making its own affordable, long range EV’s would be ideal in the long run, we literally have no canadian-owned production facilities or brands that currently can, or do produce low or mid end cars, and Canada seems to have no interest in subsidising those.
Which means, in the short run, I want a vehicle I can afford to buy that doesn’t give me range anxiety, and the only reason I can’t is because Canada literally doubled the price of the cars that currently exist that fit my requirements because the US asked them to.
yogurt@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Hydro Quebec invented BYD’s battery technology, the only reason they licensed it to BYD in the first place is nobody else was going to do anything with it.
MyOpinion@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Not one more penny for this Nazi!
Legom7@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My commute is about 20 miles a day. Charging level 1 at work is enough unless I go out on the weekend. My Nissan Leaf has been good enough for me. And it is neither Tesla nor Chinese.
Frostbeard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My only gripe with that car is that it looks really bland. Then again I am no James Dean where I sit with two kids seats with the back full of shopping
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
I think it’s a good looking car. My problem with it is chademo. It’s unfortunately the betamax of plugs.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Damn good car too. My bro rocked one for years, deceptively large inside. Quarterly he’d drive about 1000km in it which I think was mad but made it work, 80km at a time!!!
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs (and many other emerging technologies) which basically forces people to buy them, so it shouldn’t be any surprise they’re selling them like crazy. Meanwhile conservatives are stripping incentives away.
rainwall@piefed.social 2 months ago
You should learn about US fossil fuel subsidies. The US alone pumps almost 800 billion/yr into subsidising the industry.
China tossing 40 Billions/yr into EV subsidies is basically pocket change comparatively.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
We are not having a pissing match over which country is worse, we are discussing why China is dominating the EV market.
tyra@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Good! I‘m grateful that the CCP is stepping in where the West is ignorant. Thanks to heavy lobbying by fossil fuels and car industries we would never have affordable cars in Europe without China. Thank you Xi Jinping for saving the climate 🙏
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
LOOOOOLOLOLOL have you looked at China’s greenhouse gas contributions lately? They don’t give a fuck about the climate, they’re just trying to drive other countries out of the market.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Doesn’t the EU balance it out with tariffs?
Those cheap BYDs ain’t all that cheap here
Now if EU increased subsidies for domestic EV production, domestic solar panel production, etc… We could really have something great.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
Doesn’t the EU balance it out with tariffs?
No.
Those cheap BYDs ain’t all that cheap here
Yes they are.
Now if EU increased subsidies for domestic EV production, domestic solar panel production, etc… We could really have something great.
Truth there.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
E: holy shit, the Lemmy tankies are real
Nope, you are just wrong. I guarantee you I’m not a tankie, but I think it’s pretty clear that USA has absolutely also subsidized electric cars, especially Tesla that has been generously subsidized in multiple ways, also subsidizing their charging network.
On top of that, USA has prevented a lot of outside competition with tariffs.All in all i am personally sick and tired of Americans always pointing fingers at the Chinese for doing the exact same thing Americans are doing.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
Nope you are just wrong and intentionally spreading false equivalencies and making strawman arguments.
Let’s put aside for a moment the fact that I only spoke negatively about the US, and instead focus on the fact that the US has subsidized electric vehicles from around the world to the tune of $1B in an effort to promote the sales of clean vehicles. China has subsidized to the tune of $230B for domestic vehicles only.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
CCP subsidizes the absolute shit out of domestic EVs
Not really. Metal is cheap. Lithium and rare earths are cheap. Abundance policies for raw materials aren’t subsidies. Inflation is low and so are interest rates, and so factories are also cheap. Abundance in robotics too. Highly automated factories make low cost cars.
Prices are not absurdly lower than western cars. Maybe $5k less for equivalent to Tesla, and
which basically forces people to buy them
a key program in China is not from CCP. City governments give licence plates to EVs letting them drive every day. There is a trade in incentive, and sales tax break, still, afaik, but all of that is less than what US had, and EVs without subsidies are cheaper than ICE vehicles, as they are starting to be in the west as well.
You are being downvoted because you don’t know what you’re talking about, and “everyone’s a tankie” for not being as uninformed or propagandized as you.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t get how a company is losing this much in multiple countries yet is still operating?
Like if they can lose this much and still be operating and investments not tanking, would it follow that they can pay better wages and benefits?
normalexit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I bought byd stock. It keeps going down. I will never understand investing
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
Hell yeah
58008@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Any non-cunts in the EV manufacturing space? Or is that a prerequisite?
sundray@lemmus.org 2 months ago
Quick Elon, buy the President of Europe! /s
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Tesla will be bankrupt in 2 years.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t think Musk much cares or ever did. The goal was to milk tesla for every last dime.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t know about you but I drive over 5-10km regularly. For a short miserable stretch my daily commute was 90 miles. Buying household groceries or anything of size sounds annoying or impossible on bike. And then there’s work tools and whatnot that many professionals keep in vehicle.
bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Oh no! I think I left the oven on
Bosht@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wonder if a large part of this as well is strictly because BYD is priced cheaper. I know for me personally 90 percent of the reason I haven’t invested in electric is because they’re all still luxury priced.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
i drive a 440. it’s got a giant supercharger sticking out of the hood trying to get me pulled over all the time. i have to wear earplugs while driving to avoid permanent hearing loss. there’s no way to listen to shit eating death metal while driving its just too loud. handles turn like absolute shit. i don’t give a fuck
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Tesla vs BYD is overhyped in Europe. Car sales rose 8%. Many European brands did better than this average. Hybrid and EV growth at about 35% in Europe should be story. Fine Tesla is sucking. We get it.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
finally some good news.
beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
My sales to Europe have plunged 0%! Its all due to not being a racist asshole. Also I don’t sale anything, I’m just a non racist person who doesn’t sale anything to Europe at the moment.
simplejack@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Both cars support oppressive dictators, but one is cheaper, supports CarPlay / Android auto, and has actually buttons for things.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I am not sure you can say BYD supports a dictator per se, more like it exists in a state capitalist country where you exist at the behest of the dictator.
Elon actively pushed and spent money to get trump elected.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well played sir, well played.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Pooh bear is actually starting to look less oppressive in comparison these last 7 months tbh
simplejack@lemmy.world 2 months ago
To be fair, the CCP has already done a lot of armed crackdowns and disappearing. They’re in the phase where people are too scared to resist.
yucandu@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Trump is definitely headed in China’s direction, but MSNBC is still allowed to exist.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The fact that you can freely criticize and say whatever you want about Elon means that he is not even close to as oppressive.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
This is what I hate. One is owned by a fuck cunt. The other is owned by china. Neither one are actually good options if you are not buying one because of their beliefs
Patch@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Other options exist; you don’t have to buy either. Volkswagen Group, Audi, Renault, BMW, Fiat etc all make EVs in Europe. Hyundai & Kia also both make excellent EVs.
Buying a Tesla is a choice these days. Nobody trips and falls into Tesla ownership. And although those cheap Chinese manufacturers look mighty tempting, they’re not the only alternative out there.
herrvogel@lemmy.world 1 month ago
BYD cars don’t have very many buttons either. See here. They’re tablets on wheels too. I quite dislike BYD interiors.
simplejack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
True, but that thing is like a fighter jet compared to Telsa’s void of emptiness. 14 controls on the wheel (and they’re labeled, real controls for drive modes, there are basic climate controls on the center console, you can manually adjust fan orientation, etc.
It’s still overly reliant on touch, but I’d easily take that over a Telsa.