Submitted 8 months ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to [deleted]
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I’m for this, not because I think they have bad genes or something, but because meth heads tend to make shitty parents
Nah… just give it dash of ULTRA STRONG DOSE VIAGRA (or equivalent to it)
I mean, meth is already a powerful aphrodisiac
Is that Jenson Button ?
It’s always lovely to be reminded that eugenics remains a popular idea so long as you don’t call it that.
I get why you think that, but it does not say permanent.
If the birth control lasted 1-6 month to ensure active addicts would not have children, I would be kind of in favor of it. There is nothing good about a child being raised by addicts or taken by CPS and going through orphanages/foster care.
Looks like it’s time to reinvent the torture nexus from famed science fiction novel “Don’t Invent The Torture Nexus”. Maybe it will go well this time!
We already practice eugenics. Its a term that covers a lot of things. There’s a line between good eugenics and bad eugenics. I’d say secretly bputting birth control in drugs to control population is bad eugenics.
This isn’t an ethnic group or permanent, though. I think the bigger ethical issue is that birth control can have dangerous side effects.
This is only because the word “eugenics” has been made a bad word because people assume that anything called “eugenics” must be similar to the horrible things the Nazis did. It’s the non-central fallacy – such things are eugenics only in the same way that Martin Luther king is technically a criminal (he did violate the law by protesting) or abortion is murder (a “human being” does “die”).
Polygenic scoring on embryos is legal and eminently doable if you’re wealthy enough to afford it; it’s a very effective way to eliminate the risk of debilitating genetic diseases like Down’s Syndrome, and can greatly reduce the risk of things like Alzheimer’s or some types of cancer. It also can improve the IQ of your child by up to ~8 points or so, which correlates (plausibly causally) with higher education and income in life. So basically, it’s an effective way to help make your child more privileged. Right now it’s only affordable by the very wealthy though, but perhaps in ten years it will be very cheap.
Notice though that it’s unrelated to race pseudoscience and murder, even though race pseudoscientists like to talk about genetics and IQ.
There are other hazards and i don’t trust this society to deal with any of them in healthy ways.
jsomae, do you want Gattaca ? Because that’s how you get Gattaca !
And next for sale we have this worker with very small hands, through multiple generation of human breeding we have developped this fine pure bred specimen perfectly adapted to reaching into tight spaces and machinery, its mind is docile and obedient and doesn’t get spooked easily by the loud sound of working high speed hydraulic presses. Very agile with tools and can read schematics but no artistic ability nor speech as a side effect of the genetic modification, on the plus side, they cannot form unions.
I mean we do take kids off crackheads. Repeatedly in some cases.
I mean, this is a good idea for a big reason other than genes though, people who are currently addicted to meth shouldn’t be having kids, not from a gene perspective but as an unfit parent and as an unsafe pregnancy standpoint.
While I agree with you, the problem is, that it opens the door for a lot of other forms of eugenics. Once we decided that Meth users shouldn’t have kids we can quickly expand the definition of who is “allowed to have kids”. People who take LSD? Those psychopaths. Stoners? Homeless people? Black people?
It gives a certain group of people power over one of the most intimate secsectors of someone’s private life. No one can guarantee, that at some point we are not the ones being included in the definition of “unfit for parenting” simply because we have the wrong political views or something like that.
Not eugenics though, if anything it’s a rather leftist stance that accepts that you can’t control what people put in their body, but tries to mitigates harm for those who have no choice.
Controlling which people are allowed to reproduce is eugenics.
Put both in the drinking water and also put a lime in a coconut
am i reading too much into a shitpost or is this essentially saying “sterilize drug users”
I disagree with the eugenics involved here. but the real solution is free healthcare with accessible birth control.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the idea of eugenics is that someone controls who can re-produce. Using drugs is a personal choice, and there are already drugs that screws up your re-production system.
Absolutely is. Im guessing only temporarily though. Pretty sure you can just stop taking your birth control pills and start ovulating properly again.
Seems like a pretty good idea as long as it doesn’t get slippery sloped. No babies while mething about.
Because meth heads make such responsible parents and are usually in a great position to have children
“no no you see, in this case, eugenics is justified!”
i don’t care. it’s still wrong.
Abstracting “meth users” to “drug users” is hell of a leap.
Counterpoint: Put meth in birth control. Maybe people will use it more often. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But isn’t too much birth control bad for your health?
They should put meth in birth control. It would make it easier to remember to take it on time and I could call them “mommy’s pep pills” and it would be charmingly ironic because I have no children because I’m good at taking my pills on time.
my antidepressant is apparently really damn addictive, I forgot to take them for a week with no issues. No idea why I didn’t have any withdrawals 🤷♀️
I do imagine meth is slightly more impactful though
Damn, beat me to it.
It’s because i’m brimming with pep.
Ah yes, the answer to any social problem: eugenics
This is not eugenics and wouldn’t be permanent. People shouldn’t be having unplanned pregnancies while addicted to hard drugs. If you cant stop using meth long enough to conceive then how are you gonna stop uaing meth during the pregnancy? Or once the baby is born? I have no problem with drug use and think it should be legalized but i think this would be a good concession to make if it were legalized. If you wanna have a baby just stop using meth. Otherwise go nuts.
It should be done with deception.
I agree mothers shouldn’t do meth or alcohol or tobacco or bisphenol A
The solution isn’t sterilization it’s healthcare
And if we can’t have it, if we can provide it to everyone
then we just deserve the consequences of our actions as a whole
I mean… some drugs (the medicine kind) are prescribed with birth control because they’re bad for babies. Is meth not bad for the baby?
Also, if I may, what exactly is the criteria for something to be eugenics? I am not well informed; would, for example, not allowing people who wear black socks to have kids be eugenics?
Rendering people infertile (even temporarily) without their informed consent is unethical. Doing it to a class of people due to your perception that people like them shouldn’t breed is eugenics. This would qualify. The black socks thing probably would too, but it sounds ridiculous because that’s a class of people nobody would realistically target for elimination from the breeding pool.
Offering free birth control to drug users- fine! Dosing them without their consent- no bueno.
Imagine that… Birth control in all hard drugs.
This is the mistake, because some “hard drugs” are fine, they’re just hangups for idiots who got tragic amounts of power.
Idk, I don’t think anyone should make a baby on drugs. I’m a fan of drugs, I just don’t think people should make babies on them. Except maybe mushrooms.
they should also put it in alcohol and tobacco
I… don’t know that heated, aerosolized birth control of any kind would… be an effective delivery mechanism…
But uh, honestly, his heart’s in the right place, a child born addicted to meth is an absolute tragedy, basically just completely fucked from Day 0.
Meth isn’t only smoked
I’ve spent a time homeless.
Did my best to stay as far away from all that as best as possible, but uh… nah, it is mainly smoked.
Sure, you can try some other method, you’re a lot more likely to OD, get an infection that never heals and goes gangrene… but you can try…
Unless your definition of ‘meth’ is so broad that it also includes like, taking adderol as prescribed… yeah, most people smoke meth.
Snorting and IV is just way, way too fucking dangerous given how anything could be cut with god knows how much of what.
Saw people find that out the hard way… still got PTSD from doing my best as basically the only homeless person at the shelter/encampment that knew how to do any level of first aid.
Wut?
I think the joke is that the horse could kick the pregnant person and cause a miscarriage
Birth control, like a USB thumb drive full with Asmongold videos?
Dude literally has cockroaches crawling on him in his videos, you can tell a guy by the company he keeps.
Cheeky bastartd wants to save up some money
it would be better to put it in church
Another big reason for drug legalizing 🎖️
And a dash of chilli powder. I’m currently watching Breaking Bad for the first time.
Dude I envy that so much because you get to do this best thing about the whole show once you’ve finished it.
Do not for any reason look this up before you’re done because of spoilers. But when you are done, search “breaking bad comics”
The episode where the kid named finger beats Walt Jr to death while Walter just sits in his cuck chair and jacks it is crazy
True, but the valkyries were a bit over the top. What were they even doing with all those used tissues?
What happened to pedro pascal
Looks more like Louis CK
Put me in meth in birth controlled liquid uranium with meth :3
Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Put birth control in ivermectin