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I’m middle aged now, but I have to admit, while I’ve always known there was racism still around, and still part of the government. I’m blown away though at just how much more of it, and how deeply rooted it is. The kind of people in charge right now are literal cartoon villains when I was a kid.
I mean that literally.
Same, I find it genuinely shocking and very different from 10 years ago.
I’m pretty sure he also was the inspiration for more than one Captain Planet villain.
Is that real?! I remember them poking fun at Trump now and again as he was a national laughing stock.
Yes, there was a while running narrative about bill the cat having his brain replaced with trumps. my not completely crazy maga dad turned me on to bloom county as a kid so most of my politics likely took root with a large nosed penguin and his friends. Then when I hit high school, I found rage against the machine.
But yeah, I never watched any of his reality shows, this is the turnip I knew, until he became the actual president. My brain has not recovered.
I’m blown away though at just how much more of it, and how deeply rooted it is.
Same. Same. I’m feeling like I must live in a bubble (nobody around me is like that) and also that it was also always there, they’re just more comfortable taking their masks off right now. It’s depressing.
On the flip side though the people I have around me are mostly family and my kids. I have zero social time beyond that at the moment. Two of my kids besties are not white so I’m at least absolutely sure I’m raising my kids to not be racist pieces of shit. It’s something.
I genuinely expected that tweet to be a “you had me in the first half”. Like the naggers scene in south park. Fuck that guy. Absolute filth.
Nah, blatant racism isn’t much a thing anymore. It’s the systemic racism that is turning out sticky.
I’m in the South and haven’t heard N, or any other slur, in ages. Confederate flags are rare enough to make my blood boil when I see one.
He was a cartoon villain even to the people who love him now before 2015. Then he was mean to the people they hated, and dignified their basest impulses. After that, they’d follow him to the gates of hell.
I think I know what happened here. Curtis decided to sing “fucking problem” by A$AP rocky at karaoke because he can say
I’m the ngga, the ngga n*gga …
Like an edgy 15 year old. Then he heard A$AP rockies bar:
they say money make a ngga act nggerish, at least a ngga ngga rich
Got mad at the idea of black people having money and cultural clout and then posted this.
Ok, i reconstruct the slur in my mind and…what the fuck is that even mean? It sounds like another one of those word salad by intoxicated individual that mean absolutely nothing but also trying to be profoundly racist.
I think you have to go several levels of racism deep to even understand it. Like the (censored) phrase “I don’t hate black people; I hate N-----s” has to make enough sense you understand the “distinction” being made. Then you translate that distinction and apply it to some sort of “good billionaire” and you sort of get his claim.
I think?
I certainly would have missed his point, if any; I’m not sure it was worth catching.
He’s saying billionaires spend their money ostentatiously, foolishly, lavishly like they never saw money before. “New rich” would be a comparable term.
Still, not sure I completely get it.
So like covering everything with gold and putting your name in giant allcaps on them?
Still, not sure I completely get it. Same. One legitimate criticism of how rich people interact with the economy is that rich people have a tendency to hoard their money instead of pumping it back into the economy. Spending all your dough may look tacky and ostentatious, but it creates more jobs than piling it up in a vault.
So this guy’s thinking is contorted in fascinating ways. I am starting to wonder, though, does being a bad thinker make you more likely to be racist? Or does racism harm your thinking? Both?
Black people aren’t supposed to have inherited wealth, therefore all rich black people are nouveau riche (new rich). In a spectacular display of racist logic this chud is saying that spending with abandon is something only a newly rich black person would do.
Fascists have no subatance, no interiority.
I keep running into this problem where I hear about this conservative intellectual and I go to read their work. I know I’m not going to agree with them, but let me find the flaw or where our values diverge in their argument.
When I gloss it, I’ll assume the problem is me when i fail to find that spot. So I do a closer, more serious reading of their work. Still don’t see it. Again. Fail. Again. Fail. Again.fsil.failfsilfisjl.
These “intellectuals” are people who haven’t read widely, haven’t practice developing ideas, and don’t know how to write a structured argument.These fuckers were “STEM” smart from a young age, probably without much effort, got accolades from everyone about how smart they were, and thought the liberal arts were a joke. And honestly, until advanced high school classes, they often are. Because before that age, your brain lacks the skills and data to do it at all.
Their combined rhetorical strength lies in misleading statements, provocations, and hiding their true intent behind mealy mouth pseudo intellectualism. At least Yarvin will come out and say he wants feudalism. Fuck Jordan Peterson in particular. I am worse off for ever having tried to comprehend his thinking. I’m not sure who else sucks in this day and age, but I include Theil, bronze age pervert, and the CEO of Palintar. All, I believe, have advanced degrees in the liberal arts.
This isn’t to say that there aren’t conservatives worth reading and disagreeing with, but the surface is polluted.
Maybe you’ll find my take on it interesting: lemmy.world/post/33807544/18577415
I genuinely don’t understand how Peterson has a PhD. I’ve listened to his lectures and they are just pointless garbage. He squints at Jung, comes up with this manicheanism where men = order women = disorder and just verbal diarrheas from there.
I’ve only had a little formal education in psychology, but enough that people have paid me to teach it, and I don’t understand how anyone in the field could be impressed.
Slept his way though college?
Ben Carson is one of the best brain surgeons in the world. Dr Oz was considered the best heart surgeon in the world.
Expertise and education do not equal intelligence.
Jorge Hirsch, the creator of the h-index asserts that a “successful scientist” will have an h-index of 20 after 20 years; an “outstanding scientist” will have an index of 40 after 20 years; and a “truly unique individual” will have an index of 60 after 20 years or 90 after 30 years. Jordan Peterson has an h-index of 57.
His academic work had been cited well over 10,000 times before he became a publicly-known figure in 2016.
He obviously isn’t a quack in the field of psychology, by any objective measure.
Dunno, portrayal of US south landowners (and slaveholders) in manners and taste in movies and books seems not much better than what he seemingly means. Even with that flavor of idealization of the Victorian times. The example is a result of a guess what he’d consider not “negrous”.
What are the exceptions, if we replace the funny word with “tasteless and stolen”? (I can’t, well, maybe Bill Gates, but in essence when people in our age become that rich, they start to perceive that as good taste and unconsciously strive to that)
Curtis Yarvin is why we need bullying in schools.
He’s a successful result of it, I think.
(BTW, if he manages to build his desired bioreactor, I think it would be nice if he managed to process a few of the bullies before it getting blown up like a death star)
If you’re going to say it, just say it. I can’t get behind the racism either way, but don’t be such a fucking pussy about it.
That’s not even what “the exception proves the rule” means, this is on the same level as braindead idiots using “the customer is always right!”
When in Rome…
How can someone even think this makes sense lmao.
"You can probably name exceptions." Indeed, I can literally only name exceptions wtf
What does that even mean? Is he just calling everything he doesn’t like the n word? So what does he mean by calling billionaires the n word?
Those two fuck wads deserve the worst
uh yeah, quick question, what the fuck?
Yarvin and Thiel scare me…
Here’s some of Yarvin’s writings, if you want to feel like disappearing into the woods, getting on a rocket, and blasting off as far, far away from this planet as possible:
precedent should be rolled back to 1900 at the latest, and probably more like 1800. The democratic era has corrupted everything, law being no exception.
One way to see internal security in a Patchwork realm is as a compromise between two sorts of Orwellianism. In the sense that the realm is (effectively) omniscient and omnipotent, it would fit most peoples’ definition of “Orwellian.”
Residents of a Patchwork realm have no security or privacy against the realm.
All residents, even temporary visitors, carry an ID card with RFID response. All are genotyped and iris-scanned. Public places and transportation systems track everyone. Security cameras are ubiquitous. Every car knows where it is and who is sitting in it, and tells the authorities both. Residents cannot use this data to snoop into each others’ lives, but Friscorp can use it to monitor society at an almost arbitrarily detailed level.
There is one problem, though, which is … the problem of adults who are not productive members of society. In our little Newspeak we call them wards of the realm.
As Delegate of San Francisco, what should you do with these people? I think the answer is clear: alternative energy. Since wards are liabilities, there is no business case for retaining them in their present, ambulatory form. Therefore, the most profitable disposition for this dubious form of capital is to convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.
Okay, just kidding. This is the sort of naive Randian thinking which appeals instantly to a geek like me, but of course has nothing to do with real life. The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.
However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide.
The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wards—either metaphorically or literally—but to virtualize them. A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement, waxed like a bee larva into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies. This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual-reality interface which allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.6
The virtual worlds of today are already exciting enough to distract many away from their real lives. They will only get better. Nor is productive employment precluded in this scenario—for example, wards can perform manual labor through telepresence. As members of society, however, they might as well not exist. And because cells are sealed and need no guards, virtualization should be much cheaper than present-day imprisonment.
Many other regions of the earth, however, contain large numbers of human beings whose existence may well prove an unequivocal liability to the owners of any ground on which they would reside. If so, they can be virtualized, creating giant human Wachowski honeycombs of former bezonians, whose shantytowns can be cleared and redeveloped as villas for retired oil-company executives.
Unbelievable that anyone printed this in either online or offline form of text. A humane alternative to genocide, cause no one would really like the biodiesel solution.
Good to see that democracy actually seems to be the foe for these people. Let’s try and keep it that way…
If these are the people in power’s friends than they aren’t far from this train of thought. People who think so lowly of others do not deserve this kind of power. People who think this lowly of others and would actually try to enact it should probably be the subject of mass riots. Reading that shit made my blood boil. These are the powerful and affluent.
At some point I loved the kind of jokes based in his ideologies, about bioreactors and such.
And - the emotion behind this kind of thought is very important. It’s not worse for anarchist and humanist thought than it is for the fascist kind.
Thought experiments are necessary. In the “good old times” such thought experiments as quoted here were normal for many sci-fi series.
The technologies (many of them) to make this are here. What would you do to find the least inhuman way they’ll be used? Not doing anything is not an option - someone will use them to their ideology’s advantage.
My idea at some point was that if we can’t prevent surveillance and miniaturization and automation to the degree it’s a failed endeavor to try to preserve privacy and security against those, then we should at least create a panopticon society, so that those Yarvin’s “delegates” were as visible for the rest of us as the rest of us for them. Suppose the “nothing to hide” norm is here - and we are already losing against it, just silently. What can we do to avoid such a hellish and degenerate end of history as he describes?
It’s a bit like with nukes, you can’t (well, 50 years ago you couldn’t) reasonably well protect against another’s nuke, but you can balance it with your own.
These dumb motherfuckers really think they are above it all and invincible. My only consolation is that I know they view having to “share” their existence with all us plebs as a literal and continual hell. May they all rot and fester in it.
Teehee just kidding about my proposal to turn humans into petroleum… unless?
What an unfortunate collection of words to read on a Friday like today
This is hilarious. Right out of a chappelles show sketch.
Least Racist Curtis Yarvin post
Slightly unrelated, but in my language Bestie means Beast. So, Peter Thiel’s beast
I guess we need separate but equal guillotines.
The thinker pose thumbnail …
Like this tweet wasn’t paid for by billionaires.
What does he even mean by this?
What he “means” to the extent this isn’t just a shock value post meant to allow him to get a lot of responses before moving the goalposts & also to get a lot of nazis to like him more, is that:
The epithet he used is a racist one used to describe how people who come from a poor background act once they get some money - often on flashy displays of wealth, but not often on investments/ensuring their wealth grows and lasts into the future.
he is saying American billionaires fit that epithet because of how they spend their money. He calls them N*s because of how they spend money, not because they are black - he is not under the illusion that most billionaires are black.
he’s saying they spend their money in foolish ways. He would prefer they spend their money abolishing the neoliberal state and replacing it with a neo-feudal monarchical system that makes all these billionaires literal feudal lords with fiefdoms. For him, this is the end-goal of wealth and the ideal societal state.
He’s a pseudo intellectual that gets high on his own farts, like Nick Land.
What I’m understanding here is he’s trying to take advantage of anti billionaire sentiment - that it’s obvious even to alt right weirdos that wealth inequality is fucking everyone but the rich over. He’s a monarchist, he doesn’t have a problem with billionaires, but he wants to play populist. He’s using racist forum troll slang to signal to others that they don’t have to hide, and is hinting at some wealth redistribution through confiscation from Black people (think about how much was looted from folks during things like the Tulsa Race Riot in the 20’s - that and similar riots were often ways to forcibly redistribute wealth to poor whites…)
Nobody knows what it means but it’s provocative. It gets the people going
Devoid of all meaning except for being unmistakably racist. And not the mild, everyday kind either.
This is just Tuesday for this load of human waste.
Can we please go back to a time when psychos like this guy were largely irrelevant?
I hate the internet sometimes.
They were more numerous and loud when they were largely irrelevant.
But the times were nice, yes.
But - I’ve looked for Urbit and it’s interesting. It’s very close to what I’d consider useful.
IMHO a p2p system of the future should work as one user group being one democratically controlled system (like OS with its resources and entities) with computation and storage distributed between member nodes. The reason I’m not too interested in that idea is that it’s about global Internet and global availability. Today delay-tolerant offline-enabled applications seem more historically relevant.
Excuse me?
You know some csa shithead talked like that.
I don’t think that’s a neologism. It’s just the adjective to ‘negro’.
Basically he thinks billionaires are ‘behaving black’.
no, it’s not even a word. that wouldn’t even be the adjective to that word.
While I can understand his syntax, I fail to understand the substance of that sentence. Now I’m curious how wealth can be utilized in a manner that pertains to African-Americans.
N*gga rich is a term used by rappers, and some racists like Curtis, to mean getting a small fortune and spending it on flashy ostentatious things.
I think he is basically saying “I think that black people are bad. I also think that some billionaires are bad, but it’s #notallbillionaires . The innate badness that black people have and the bad billionaires have are the same, so I am going to call the bad billionaires black”. In other words, racist bullshit
Lmao this chode is really over here trying to ignore all of the cultural context and redefine the n-word, to be able to use it without getting punched in the mouth.
Woof, you realize that the episode of South Park you morons use to justify this “change in meaning” was satire, and was not meant to be a guide for how to use cognitive dissonance to change words’ meanings to your own liking.
A n*gger is a race neutral term nowadays
no. no it’s not. people know its origins and who it’s referring to. to deny this is a form of sealioning. fqck off with that
It essentially means someone that takes far more than they will ever contribute, and in that respect, he’s absolutely correct
attaching this meaning to it is a form of dog whistle to get people to associate these traits with plack people. you are doing the propaganda work of white supremacy right now.
I don’t know what racist town you’re from, but that is not reality no matter how much racists wish it was. As for a name for people who take more than anyone could ever deserve, we simply call them billionaires.
It still has too much meaning, history, and baggage to change so quickly.
It’s 4chan speak.
You need to hang out in better places.
That’s not even a sensible usage of “exception proves the rule”. Not surprised a shithead uses language poorly.
This dude sucks so much. And everything I’ve ever read about him makes him seem like the most annoying kind in philosophy class who thinks he’s smart but is actually a dumbass.
Probably throwing back his long hair with a head movement, while challenging the prof with what he thinks is an unassailable argument.
🤢🤮
Holy Mother of God…
Oh, this is actually mild by his standards, my goodness…
I highly recommend the Behind the Bastards episode on him
I watched that on your recommendation. Turns out he’s just an old Usenet troll that spent to much time in his own head and started to believe his own bullshit. What’s baffling to me is how he became so influential.
Yarvin is a traitor to humanity.
that guy has literally never been mask on
What the…?
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 months ago
Motherfucker out here just making up entirely new racial slurs.
bss03@infosec.pub 8 months ago
The pendant in me is glad he didn’t misuse niggardly.
It could be correctly used to describe many billionaires, but post in image would surely misuse it.
BenLeMan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There was another post on Lemmy recently featuring more of this man’s deranged drivel. Turns out he’s a big fan of that word as well.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Erm, how did you get a pendant inside you?!?
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