Based booze cruiser fights fascism
And nothing of value was lost
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potato_wallrus@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
controversial opinion
These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn’t stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don’t encourage that practice.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There is only so much empathy you can lend out to a black hole before it sucks you into its hateful gravitational pool. Purity tests like what you are proposing just makes them stronger.
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I’m not saying you have to treat them with kindness. I am saying you have to reckon with the fact that they are still human. Or you will be doomed to follow the same path.
sartalon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Wouldn’t the fascists even argue that empathy is toxic?
Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 day ago
It’s literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don’t like, we are repeating the cycle.
It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.
I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that’s when I have fallen right into it. “I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that” 🤡 “I’m far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship” 🤡 “I’ll never fall for fake information online. I’m too observant” 🤡
I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn’t count because they are “on the right side of history”.
Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
The problem is that fascists know that normal people are empathetic in this way, and they use it against us. It makes it nearly impossible to stop them.
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I do agree with almost everything you wrote, but I don’t understand the moral consequence. One do not have to think they’re too smart or too pure to take some kind of solace from the fact that there’s one less fascist walking the earth.
To me, that has nothing to do with being “better” as a human. It’s just that their project means my/our death. The more they grow, the more we die and vice versa. I do not dehumanize them nor do I think they’re stupid or deserve anything.
It’s as simple as : the more they grow, the more anything I care for will wither away.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So give her partial credit on the community service part of the sentence?
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Not going to downvote but no they’re subhuman.
bramkaandorp@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Nazi lives don’t matter. The paradox of tolerance goes both ways. Do not tolerate the intolerant.
It’s not even a paradox. Being tolerant means allowing things you disagree with, but only up to a point.
It is fallacy to think that if we are intolerant to intolerance, we then become intolerant, thus defeating our own tolerance.
A fallacy mostly promoted by right-wingers.
The problem I have is that, although we shouldn’t tolerate Nazis, treating their deaths in car accidents as a non-event at best, or a national holiday at worst, does feel like moving toward the same dehumanising treatment that Nazis give to those they hate.
I don’t like it.
FriskyDingo@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Genuinely curious your perspective: so what then?
How would you want to handle the growing fascism problem because I believe shaming, ridicule and cruelty are due with where we stand and with how bad things are and how much, much, worse they can get.
These are your enemies theh have the entire govenment and a cult and they want to brutalize, make illegal and remove people (one way or the other).
What do you propose?
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I believe I called them fuckheads so I don’t seem to have a problem with ridicule. My point of contention is in the reply tweet of “no human being was harmed”. I’m not trying to defend the thoughts or actions of these people, I’m just saying we have to recognize that they are people. I propose building a better world, proving those ideas wrong, and defending ourselves when necessary.
enbipanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Shame, cruelty, and ridicule, but as humans. Let them own what they did.
sweemoof@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Two counterpoints to this (although I like the spirit):the paradox of intolerance suggests that intolerance will easily spread if we tolerate it. So in a world where tolerance is abundant: intolerance itself should still not be tolerated.
In a way I feel this may be saying the same thing again, but when we speak of protected classes and human rights we generally think of immutable qualities assigned at birth. That is, it’s not okay to discriminate based on things such as skin color, height, sound of voice, heritage, language, race, disability etc. and you get the idea.
Modern ideas stretch this a bit, as sexuality and gender identity have recently (as in within the last century, and only then within more educated cultures) entered as protected facets of human expression due to our understanding of them as involuntary. Even an individual’s personal religion is universally considered to not be up for debate, even though each of the world’s religions are composed of transient beliefs that an individual is allowed to change whether they are comfortable with it or not.
Any group’s ideas for societal idealism do not and should not get these types of protections, because ideas obviously should change if a better idea is presented. It should be agreed upon that whatever utopia is (for however the human race can get close to it), it would need to be universally agreed upon by all living individuals as well as all possible human group permutations. This is seemingly insurmountably large, so some of us tried to take shortcuts by eliminating other groups, and to make a long story short you could say the world universally condemned these ideas as one of the first “global” acts.
The point is, if somebody has:
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Willingly violated the social contract in defiance of available historical context and public information, and
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Elected to voluntarily hold that an aforementioned Protected Class of people should be either eliminated or exiled (in service to making their version of utopia easier to achieve), then
Then this somebody has found themselves to be a member of the one group of people (a group founded on voluntary belief) that society at large would be better to either eliminate or exile.
Obviously debate is preferred but one cannot reason with somebody who believes deep down in another group’s inferiority.
foo@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
I agree with all you wrote, and it’s a good point well made. However, in the context of what it’s replying to, it could be interpreted as condoning the death penalty for extremists, which I disagree with, if it was intended that way.
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
My point is less about what rights they might deserve, and more about staying informed and vigilant of the ideological capacities of human beings, including yourself.
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callouscomic@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Ummmm.
No?
Fuck nazis and kkk and southern pride and confederate apologists and white supremacists and bigots of all kinds.
Like get fucked. Straight up well known nazis can fucking die. They are worthless. They make a choice to continue being that way. They can do irreparable harm.
Like, fucking no. Just no. You’re pathetic.
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
The ability to strip away the title of “human being” is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Why do you think considering someone human is mutually exclusive with wishing death upon them/thinking it’s fine for them to die.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I would ask you, is it OK to fight Nazis in a war? If you say yes, then what’s the difference?
Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 day ago
The point isn’t whether or not it is okay to fight nazis. The commenter only states that the guy who died is still a human even if we don’t like him.
That is a fact. If we start dehumanizing people we don’t like, we open ourselves up to becoming monsters no matter how justified we feel we are.
I struggle with this myself. I have a deep-seated disgust toward narcissists and emotionally, I do not consider them human beings. Rationally, I know that they are and that if I continue to refuse to accept that they are one of the countless aspects of humanity, I open myself up to my own narcissistic aspects, where I see an entire subsection of humanity as lesser than me, as pests instead of human beings with a severe personality disorder that most likely came from repeated childhood neglect and abuse.
It is okay to feel strong negative emotions toward people we don’t like, but we cannot allow ourselves to dehumanizing them because that is how we become monsters ourselves.
Empathy is hard because it isn’t always the easiest or most comfortable path. It can feel downright injust at times, but that is all emotions talking. The more we think about it, truly reflect on it, the more we will understand that choosing empathy over emotional outbursts, will serve us and society far better in the long run. But it is fucking difficult.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Are you incapable of fighting someone you consider human?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 day ago
one of the primary protections of the constitution is that nobody can infringe upon your constitutional rights. if they do, they lose some of the protections given to them through the constitution.
I think it’s fair that if some racist fuckhole wants to kill people based on their color or gender identity, it’s only fair that we celebrate when they die. obviously death is not the goal, however a celebration that the hate they injected into the world is now slightly weaker over all is.
my point is, if you lead a life of an asshole you will be remembered as an asshole.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
You can celebrate their deaths all you want. But Wlwhen you start dehumanizing them you’re taking notes from their playbook. Be better than them.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I disagree with the comment directly below you.
I like my mom way more than my dad, and I took on her political beliefs(which are objectively better).
But we are all creatures of our environment.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Yes yes, we won’t use this as an excuse to fix the broken clock
socsa@piefed.social 23 hours ago
If this situation was reversed, MAGA would have raised $100k for her legal defense by now.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
She would have been pardoned by the President lol
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
At least 500k
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
icelimit@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
She seems happy about it? Also shouldn’t her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 minutes ago
It’s in the article, it’s public.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 41 minutes ago
i dont know all the details but states have different laws regarding privacy for criminals. Florida for instance does not have many protections which is why so many local stories about crime come from there
dmehaffy@lemmy.world 55 minutes ago
It is public information yes (though it does depend on the state).
For example in Nevada (not related to her, just the state I’m in): doc.nv.gov/inmates/home/
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fascist Lives Don’t Matter.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 day ago
🤘
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
My grandfather killed a nazi and became a hero. Ms. Sherry does it and she becomes the enemy. That doesn’t seem fair.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Your grandfather went to war to protect the world from a global enemy. Mr. Sherry got drunk and drove on the way killing a nazi. These two things are not even close to be the same. Lets just be happy a nazi died. No need to justify DUI.
Gladaed@feddit.org 8 hours ago
It does. When you did not discriminate but happen to do the “right” thing you are not to praise.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I’d say give her back her driver’s licence, but its only valid in towns occupied by the kkk/neo-nazis
ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Just like the mass murdering shooter who killed the Blackstone executive in his spree. I don’t condone mass shootings, but sometimes some good accidentally comes of it.
cdf12345@piefed.social 1 day ago
Jury nullification?
InputZero@lemmy.world 1 day ago
On the vehicular manslaughter sure, on drunk driving charges, I should hope not. Sure this time a Nazi scumbag who deserves to die was killed, but next time it might be someone wholely innocent. Just because we hate the victim doesn’t mean what she did was reckless.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
If we are taking it seriously, that lady is lucky to be alive let alone able to open a car door at a BAC of .42. Secondly if she was at a .42 and looked that well put together when they let her out of the drunk tank the next morning it’s just not fair.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 10 hours ago
When did that work last?
psud@aussie.zone 15 hours ago
The politics of the victim probably couldn’t be mentioned during the trial. They often suppress that sort of stuff
omega_x3@lemmy.world 1 day ago
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dan1101@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We are in an administration that lives by “the ends justify the means”, so I’ll allow it this once.
TheBat@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I can’t fix her because there’s nothing to fix.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I can’t, but I want more of her.
_AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
some people do their best work when drunk
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 day ago
can you imagine trying to repent and make amends for this one, and every loved one of that asshole is just as bad as they are.
ceenote@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The emotional strain might drive one to drink again…
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Forgive me God and Parole Officer, there’s something I must do.
garbagebagel@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The good thing about forgiveness is that it doesn’t have to be actually granted in order for the person to see the errors in their way and meaningfully repent. Works the other way too, you don’t have to forgive anyone for anything ever (though that can arguably be harmful to yourself).
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
John Brown would be so proud!
polysexualstick@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah no, saying fascists aren’t human beings isn’t “funny” or “quirky”. Is fascists dying a beautiful thing? Sure. But they’re still humans.
chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 21 hours ago
See what my Christian God did for you?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Let them eat eachother.
Tiger_Man_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 hours ago
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 day ago
How many Promille is that?
MohamedMoney@feddit.org 1 day ago
0,84
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Sooo not really shitfaced
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What? .42% BAC = 4.2% promille, over five times the legal limit and potentially fatal.
jmill@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Your conversion took a wrong turn somewhere. BAC is just percentage, promille is parts per thousand. So to convert, multiply by ten. Making it 4,2 promille. Really shitfaced. Very potentially life threatening even if you are not driving.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 day ago
To tell the truth I backed over the last two with my car.
Fortunately they turned out to be Nazis.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m really hoping the people I plan to hit in the future also turn out to be Nazis.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
Sounds like a property crime.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Reminds me of my high school crush ngl.
arin@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I approve of her driving skills
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’m glad to see cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers is making a comeback
madthumbs@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Everyone is being called Nazi these days. It’s an ‘accusation’ or ‘assertion’, not fact.
saigot@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car and call it an accident… I wonder if this is that. Get plastered, kill a nazi, go to jail for 5 years instead of 20.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 day ago
Not a redditism. An urbinist-ism. Reddit had a healthy contingent of urbanists, but you’ll find us here on Lemmy too, over at !fuckcars@lemmy.world, or !urbanism@slrpnk.net. (Or, frankly, because it’s a movement with significant overlap to anticapitalism, just all around the threadiverse.)
And it’s completely true, too. I can easily think of half a dozen cases where someone killed someone else with a car and got away scott-free in my country alone (in fact: with just one exception, the ones that come to my mind are all in my city alone). And only one of those cases even went to court as far as I know.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
Dan Sheehan (of “NOT A WOLF”) wrote a piece about how easy it is to get away with vehicular murder on his blog: reallyveryhuman.com/…/where-can-a-car-kill-me
Rinox@feddit.it 14 hours ago
In Italy there’s been a big push against this in the last decade.
There’s now a law called “road murder” (omicidio stradale) which makes the penalties for killing someone while driving, especially if intoxicated, more similar to intentional murder (rather than manslaughter). It’s essentially aggravated manslaughter, when you cause the death of someone while driving recklessly.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 23 hours ago
In Canada you'd be unlucky to even get jail time at all, it's fucked. We're kinda infamous for this.
One I remember was a driver going 120 km/hr in a 60 zone, ran over some girl guides, and kills an 8 year old.
2 years of house arrest.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Genuinely true! Killing with cars is a misdemeanor.
cattywampas@midwest.social 1 day ago
This depends on the state and depends wildly on the circumstances. Driving in a reckless manner, e.g. while intoxicated, and killing someone is probably a felony everywhere.
madthumbs@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I doubt someone with that BAC is doing much intentionally. Maybe if you chugged a bunch before the BAC test just after the accident.
TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean, how long did it take the cops to get there? Because .42 is crazy fucking high. It can absolutely kill you it’s so high. She would have had to have more than 10 drinks in an hour for that. That’s about two thirds of a fifth between the time it was called in and when the cops got there.
I’m not saying it’s not doable. I’m saying if she did that she was trying to die.
WillFord27@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
She lists on her WriteAPrisoner page that her biggest inspiration is Maya Angelou, a black civil rights activist. She also has her bachelor’s in journalism. Not impossible lol.
Unfortunately her earliest release date is midway through 2033, 15 years after incarceration in 2018.
LePoisson@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
She’s going to prison for at least another 15 years before she’s eligible for parole.
But I hear you in the car accident bullshit
Booboofinget@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I’d buy her a drink!