Between this, the tarrifs and the brain drain, why would any manufacturers consider operating in the US anymore?
U.S. inks bill to force geo-tracking tech for high-end gaming and AI GPUs
Submitted 1 day ago by moonleay@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
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Darkard@lemmy.world 1 day ago
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They’ll still want access to Americans coz there are profits to be had, and they can price gouge under fascism many orders of magnitude harder than elsewhere.
What they don’t understand is that the fascist leadership will backstab many/most of them eventually, especially if they possess any moral fibre whatsoever. Luckily for them, capitalism has already purged corporate leadership of morality and ethics.
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
But if we don’t have as much money due to increased prices on life essentials and assistance cuts, how are we supposed to buy all these things? Bad logic on their part, if this is their approach.
JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 1 day ago
i wish you were wrong so fuckin bad :(
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
There’s no real push for that to happen. This is about crashing an economy, stealing wealth and creating a a massive almost slave labor class at the bottom.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
So it’s about communism? No the other guys wanted that.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
Why would any manufacturer want access to the biggest market in the world? Hmmm let me think about that……
centof@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Ah yes let’s try to stifle Chinese innovation by … checks notes … expanding our surveillance state. Usually we are the ones calling China a surveillance state, but it’s fine(it’s nor) once we do it.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
There is nothing more American than hipocracy my friend
malin@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
Yeah. All the FUD about Huawei really solidified in my mind how stupid the average internet user is these days.
It’s like, everything they were bitching about has already been confirmed to be happening with US companies thanks to PRISM and the Snowden leaks.
Saleh@feddit.org 12 hours ago
You joke, but western governments regularly pull the “our surveillance is good because we aren’t an authoritarian regime” trope.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Why do gpus need tracking?
lorty@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
It’s about not letting them be used in China, and any other future enemy countries.
Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 4 hours ago
Because China supposedly used Nvidia cards to train DeepSeek, which blew all of the US AI out of the water. Since China was eating big tech’s lunch, they cried to republicans (and gave them a bunch of reelection money) and now we have this bill. The point is to be able to remotely disable cards if they’re outside of their sale region.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Senator Tom Cotton’s legislation seeks to “prevent advanced
AmericanTAIWANESE chips from falling into the hands of adversaries like Communist China.”FTFY
MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are all American companies. Yes, their GPUs are manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan but they just follow the designs given to them. The layout of these GPUs and the architecture of the chips are all designed and controlled by these American corporations.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Senator Tom Cotton
Ah. Yeah, that tracks.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 day ago
Care to tell more?
rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Famously he declared that slavery was justified because it was necessary to create the US:
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is absolutely insane and no one will want to buy those GPUs.
Yttra@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Unless, of course, they’re in all the GPUs that people want.
…It’s unfortunately more likely that the majority of people won’t notice or care, though.
Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
Yeah if you think most people are going to care or even know about this, you haven’t been paying attention to the last 20 years.
Trollception@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just like nobody is buying the current generation because it’s insane, right?
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Oh Senator Know-Nothing…
What are you going to do about firewalls and airgapped networks? JFK you stupid asshole… GTFO
d00ery@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Next up GPUs require always-on connections and Nvidia releases a monthly subscription to pay for that.
schema@lemmy.world 1 day ago
For just $19.99 a month you can have us track your GPU*, or chose the premium ad-free upgrade for just $49.99.
^^^* ^^^failure ^^^to ^^^comply ^^^will ^^^be ^^^punished ^^^by ^^^deportation
HakunaHafada@lemm.ee 20 hours ago
Don’t give them any ideas.
NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
How is this even legal? I am not even american nor living there, so how is would the US be allowed to operate massive and unregulated surveillance through GPUs ?
The US is becoming worse than those they call villain.
twice_hatch@midwest.social 19 hours ago
The US has very low engagement of its voters, so even things that are illegal are starting to happen regularly.
It’s the same as so many countries, once a few rich guys get into power, as long as the guys with guns will take their money, it doesn’t really matter what want, the government gets captured and corrupted.
There’s ways to fight it but it’s a slog. I might give up. It’s not my job to fix it, fixing things doesn’t pay.
Valmond@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Isn’t it the reason for donald? Only like 60% vote, so the “stupid 30%” of the population can be used to grab the power seat?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
If you’re in Europe I’m pretty sure those chips would violate the hell out of the GDPR and as such can’t be sold there.
Even then, as posted in a different too level comment, this is just too easy to fake, or block.
It’s an idiot law for idiots
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Yeah that is fun and all but I can at least guarantee you that that shit won’t fly in Europe, and likely neither in Canada. I can only imagine other countries will be penning their own laws outlawing this.
So tech giants then have the option to either go for separate chipsets for those countries or stip selling there.
Also, how do you want to implement this? Have the GPU request GPS data from the computer? That won’t be hard to forgr., but let’s say you ge that, then what?
You need to send that info somewhere or it’ll be useless. How? Over the Internet? Ahw, my firewall told you to go fuck yourself. Over its own GPS line? A little bit of aluminum foil can do miracles.
So what are you going to do then? Require an active internet connection for your GPU to work? Bwhahahahha. Have you seen gamers responses to games that require active internet connections to play? You won’t sell shit.
This is again a law designed by absolutely.emoty headed idiots tompleae some other empty headed idiots.
andybytes@programming.dev 15 hours ago
[deleted]Valmond@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
What the fuck is your metaphor with whores all about??
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Yeah right, a couple of my good friends used to be sex workers so
but a whore is a whore
just seems ignorant and misogynist to me.
SomeRandomNoob@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
And how do they plan to do this? even if they add (GPS) tracking hardware the Chinese will just cut the connection to the Antenna and the GPU is gone. If they do it in software (like driver) it will just be patched out.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Sure, but now a new company selling Geo tracking shit for GPUs is making billions per year. Problem solved!
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 day ago
Why would they make their own products illegal in Europe?
thorhop@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
…okay, so invest in Chinese GPU companies? Invest in Chinese GPU companies.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I looked into those recently, actually expected the GPUs to be a lot farther behind than they are. The things that are really pushing them back are the drivers and the outdated process node, but there are already GPUs comparable to the lower end current generation cards from the 3 big manufacturers (and even those have 16GB of VRAM, Nvidia 😤).
skisnow@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
The image of China as an uncreative, uneducated backwards nation of drones good only for assembling phones, hasn’t been the reality for at least a decade.
A lot of people in the West don’t realize this because to this day there’s a vicious cycle of people only import cheap Chinese crap because China has a reputation for only making cheap crap because people only import the cheap crap. They don’t realize that China is also making top tier products, because nobody’s trying to import top tier Chinese products.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
They’re a loooooong way off being able to match any nvida card from the last like 7 years, at least.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Adversaries who are being treated to lower tarriffs than allies.
Cooked country.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s some weird shit
Nomad@infosec.pub 15 hours ago
Fascists are weird little guys. There is a podcast about that, it’s true.
matmarspace@programming.dev 1 day ago
Bruh… Literally 1984
GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
People will just make custom firmware and drivers.
brokenlcd@feddit.it 1 day ago
It would be wonderful if this pushes develpment of noveau drivers. But i don’t get my hopes up…
grue@lemmy.world 1 day ago
INB4 the US outlaws Free Software drivers and mandates DRM and locked firmware in all new PCs.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Or desolder the gps module
malin@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
Once China takes the semiconductor crown, the US isn’t getting it back.
Glad I get to be alive to witness communism beat capitalism. While the US ruling class wastes its money on dumb shit like “space tourism,” the Chinese ruling class has been investing vehemently into its own populace.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
I’m intrigued……
- Why and how do you think China will take the semiconductor crown?
- in what way will communism “beat” capitalism?
- You think China has been investing in its own people? The wealth gap in China between the 1% and the rest is enormous and growing - that’s how all communism ends up lol. Chinas ruling class treat the rest of the population like garbage.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 day ago
that’s how all communism ends up lol.
You do know, that China is a capitalistic country labeling themselves as communist?
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
How would that even work? But aside from that, I should probably upgrade my GPU before this goes into effect, even if the GPU I want will probably not be affected.
brokenlcd@feddit.it 1 day ago
I’d back up as many versions of the drivers as well (different oses, different releases). I feel like this will be implemented drm style with forced network connections baked in the drivers
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Yeah, that’s the only way I can see this work. I use Linux with the Mesa drivers, that are part of the kernel, anyway, so there’s not really a need for me to make driver backups.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
and not just through the american archive.org.
but I wpuld say if you can’t hold all the driver files yourself, keeping a list of sha256 hashes or better of them could be worth it too, to later verify their authenticity if you find it somewhere. its also easier to search by hash sometimes
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just did the same. My pc was 7 years old. This may be my final ever upgrade.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
why dont they just ask huwei to give them some spying tech.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Thanks but no thanks!
andybytes@programming.dev 15 hours ago
I knew this shit was coming so I just… I got contingencies bruh. I ain’t buying that nonsense and I don’t give a fuck about video games no more so eat a dick. If I have to strip down naked and pull every goddamn microchip out of my ass, that these fuckers want to put there, then I will. I refuse. Not only that, I mean, don’t you as a company owner find this to be somewhat concerning, especially if you know about like, I don’t know, hierarchical systems? Like sure, you’re in charge of a small group of people with someone in charge of you. Are we headed to “our great leader territory”? I’ll just have a reductionist strategy. Less is more. What I see at the end of the day is goofballs wishing for something to be, but not implementing it or implementing it in a limp dick fashion, which actually leaves us in a worse off position.
NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
This will surely complete the final step of the master plan - the world craves those superior American made goods.
perestroika@lemm.ee 3 hours ago
As a coder with some hardware awareness, I find the notion laughable.
How does he think they (read: the Taiwanese, if they are willing to) would go about doing it?
Add a GPS receiver onto every GPU? Add an inertial navigation module to every GPU? Add a radio to every GPU? :D
The poor politician needs a technically competent advisor forced on him. To make him aware (preferably in the most blunt way) of real possibilities in the real world. In the real world, you can prevent a chip from knowing where it’s running.