Submitted 10 months ago by MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.world
Today we’re very excited to announce the open-source release of the Windows Subsystem for Linux. This is the result of a multiyear effort to prepare for this, and a great closure to the first ever issue raised on the Microsoft/WSL repo:
1/10 no tutorial on how to jump over an office chair.
Making WSL open source could actually lead to some useful contributions and better transparency overall ; and good for Linux tools?
nice try. get fucked, microsoft.
some who can read code tell me why it sucks ass
Great! With this source code out, I can finally complete the port to Linux. I call it WSL24L, aka “Windows Subsystem For Linux 2, For Linux”
Do you name every FOSS project? This is uncannily close to what an actual open source project would be called, including the logic behind it.
Nah, needs more recursion. The ‘W’ in “WSL” stands for “WSL”
sudo apt-get assorted -lettuce -cheese -onion
Thanks for the kek
Garbage on top of garbage. The true nature of macroshafts desperate grasp to get control of linux.
Its a godsend when you have to use Windows for whatever reason and you can have a functional OS to do things with.
but… you need to run it on microsoft, which isn’t open source…
Only right now. I’m sure someone will have it running on Wine or Proton by next week. Steamdeck subsystem for proton for Windows subsystem for linux
brb running vim on windows subsystem for linux on proton on wine on linux.
fuck microsoft and windows so hard. had to reinstall that shitshow on my mothers computer because a driver update fucked the whole networkstack… they throw error codes and what not but give no help whatsoever. the conclusion of everyone for every problem is to reinstall windows… shitshow of an os, keep your dirty hands of linux!! can’t wait to nuke it and install linux there and have no windows machine left
If you’re having to reinstall windows regularly you’re not very good at being the tech guy. I say this as someone who manages a support team for 50+ Windows machines, and who has been the tech guy for all my friends and family for decades. I can count the number of times I had to reinstall windows on one hand, with a few fingers to spare.
If you’re having to reinstall windows regularly
says who?
I reinstalled Windows and had to shit my pants because I was so disgusted in myself. Fuck windows
This is for WSL2, not for WSL1. WSL2 is just a VM, not a big deal it it’s open-sourced. WSL1 is superior to WSL2 in every way. BTW, WSL2 is not a continuation of WSL1, they are being developed in parallel
I thought WSL2 had a few specific advantages over WSL1, something about disk writes and/or Docker? But yeah, WSL1 was such a cool concept. My understanding is they implemented all the syscalls and API in it so it’s basically native.
I tried to use them, as I do most tools like that. On Windows I have always stuck with the MSYS environment that Git for Windows gives you. It’s easy enough to work with and has most everything I care about. Plus it’s easy to set up. With wsl it’s more like a separate thing, it wasn’t as easy to run in place. A lot of times I still used batch or powershell scripts so it wasn’t totally bash. Like Docker is easier to use from not bash in Windows because the syntax is so wonky.
But now I don’t use Windows at all.
I’ve recently started using windows again for work, after not touching it for like 15 years, msys2 makes it tolerable.
I’m a devops engineer, and my company won’t allow me to use WSL. Go figure.
Pretend I’m an idiot (should be easy), and tell me what this all is up in here.
Classic Microsoft Business Strategy
Means that now anyone can fork the project and make changes or iterate on it without needing to wait for Microsoft to fix things.
Now it’s our time to do some EEE
I know there’s a lot of hate for Microsoft on Lemmy, but WSL is one of the best parts of Windows. It’s really powerful and well integrated to Windows. Since I still can’t leave for pure Linux install, I’m glad for WSL.
Microsoft hate is justified.
The only Windows PC I use is my work computer.
GPO blocked WSL.
I can’t even escape to a command line with the right flavour of slashes between directories. For eight hours a day, all hope is lost.
Only solution is to write your own
WSL is EEE
WSL made windows tolerable in the time I had to use a windows machine for work.
macOS is still the better choice for corp approved work, integrates decently with IT systems and is a “real” unix system underneath.
Linux on a corporate desktop is mostly about how well you know the IT guys and do they trust you. And of course the software stack.
Linux on a corporate desktop is mostly about how well you know the IT guys and do they trust you. And of course the software stack.
I would say it depends more on the commitment of the IT admins to support and manage a fleet of Linux workstations. There are Linux “Active Directory” servers, configuration provisioning tools, ways to centrally and automatically rollout updates, etc. It really depends on if the IT guys invest the same amount of effort to support them or not.
IT just said no for WSL “ask your manager”
My manager barely knows how to read his email
and doesn’t understand why I want 3rd screen
Funny that the Linux is best part of Windows lmao
Doubly ironic since Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux.
I am legit excited to install WINE Subsystem for Linux
Or how about KDE on ReactOS on WSL?
The possibilities are endless
ReactOS has SUCH potential. I really wanna see it thrive.
Unfortunately building it was a disaster a few years ago, I should give it another go.
Thanks for nothing Microsoft
Oh you poor fool, if only you knew how good things could be…
Best?
not in the slightest.
Most convenient…maybe?
Ah, the Linux Subsystem for Windows (MSFT has never been great at naming things) is finally open source, hooray…
Now do it with rest of the operating system, and I may, possibly have a reason to care.
But it is not a “Linux Subsystem”, it is a “Windows Subsystem”.
If I write a hypothetical Driver for Linux to support windows, it would be a “Linux Module” not a “Windows Module”.
I guess they could have called it “Windows Subsystem for Linux support”
And is that subsystem for windows or for Linux?
Like…how do you find the zoom release for Linux? I thinks it’s very stable and now and very comparable to the version available for widows.
Windows, you mean? Please no, thanks, I don’t need to see anything of that garbage
So besides the brownie points, im curious what having it open sourced will benefit. Not like you can fork it to run on a different OS. You can make some extensions but to do what? You can’t really tie it further in to the host OS unless you know of some undocumented Win32 APIs.
Maybe im just not thinking creatively enough.
Watch someone reverse the thing into turbocharged WINE
The entire thing is for running Linux software on Windows, it’s the complete opposite of Wine.
Not like you can fork it to run on a different OS.
For WSL1? yep that’s effectively impossible.
WSL2 is effectively just a wrapper around the kernel virtualization support and a bundling format, as long as whatever image you run talks to the host properly (like any other virtualised OS would) it’d run.
does that mean we could build a wsl that provides the flatpak environment, so that we could get a one click install flatpak for windows?
They released their code as MIT which is far more permissive than I was expecting. I was expecting some sort of proprietary license.
But they need to keep doing stuff like this. Devcontainers for VS Code is still proprietary and keeps me from running codium.
can some one ELI5… is this a way for me to run windows stuff using linux? OR is this for linux stuff to run in windows?
I really want an easier way to run windows stuff in linux, my hatred grows with every notification, update, attempt to advertise to me, and interference in my workspace. but trialing mint is great but the ultimate test is failing with a few programs not really playing nice with linux.
This is for running Linux programs on Windows. ELI5: some programs are made to run on windows, and some programs are made to run on Linux. Microsoft made a thing for windows that makes it able to run programs that were supposed to run on Linux. That thing is called Windows Subsystem for Linux.
What windows programs do you have that are not working well on Linux? There are various tools to run windows programs on Linux, and some work better than others for specific programs. I have had good luck with bottles recently, you might try that if you have not already. Other options I’ve used with great success in the past: ploy on Linux, Lutris, and wine directly. They all us wine at some level, but have tried and tested configuration for various programs to run well, and help with the installation and management of different wine versions. Depending on your windows programs, one option might be to run windows in a VM on Linux, to run those few programs. Another benefit of this way is that your Linux system is somewhat isolated from your windows programs. This can help with privacy and security.
What programs you struggling with on Linux?
I’d say any of the multitude of programs that don’t work on linux.
How was it not open source before? Isn’t linux gpl?
You are confusing the software and Linux kernel that make up WSL2 because the former was proprietary until now and the latter has always been available on GitHub.
Kernel used in WSL2
That’s news to me. Thanks for the info
I still will never understand why it’s not called Linux Subsystem for Windows.
I think it is because Windows has many subsystems, it’s just that you don’t hear about most of them aside from WSL.
So it is referring to the particular Windows Subsystem (of which there are many) that can run or emulate Linux.
Wait, Windows still has POSIX subsystem or is it only listed for documentation reasons (it was there at least in old NT days)?
Maybe they just named it like the previous attempt: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
There’s a trademark for Linux so Microsoft can’t name a product starting with Linux.
Still doesnt explain why it wasn’t called Windows Linux Subsystem (WLS)
Not in the spirit of free software, if you ask me.
So they can use Linux in the name, just not at the beginning? We’re so stupid. Can they do Windows Subsystem for Coke? Or Windows Subsystem for McDonald’s? Or Windows Subsystem for MacOs?
Good gravy.
I don’t understand this.
Does this mean Windows programs and exe files will now run natively on linux?
Don’t you think this is another Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish strategy from Microsoft?
Fair play to Microsoft here. Hopefully we see some pull requests from non-ms employees and a better wsl experience for us all
Ascend910@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Is this something to do with the three Es?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 10 months ago
The 90s called, they want their joke back.