BL3 was generic and forgettable. BL4 anything more than 40$ is easily forgettable. Don’t these guys know most gamers have backlogs at this point? No one has the money for this shit.
"I don't know" how much Borderlands 4 will cost, Gearbox boss says, but it had "more than twice the development budget for Borderlands 3" and "it might be" $80 like some Nintendo and Xbox games
Submitted 18 hours ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Surp@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Reisen@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
the thing while yes, inflation will make things more expensive, the more expensive things become the less folks will just spend on random entertainment. they will have to use their money more deliberately and frugally.
and the problem with games are that there are many free and cheaper alternatives. if you wanna game you can just spend less and still game and have fun.
if you wanna go to the cinema it pretty much costs what it costs so you might go less often or buy less popcorn but you won’t skip one movie because it’s more expensive than another.
you can just skip full price AAA games. buy them on sales, play games you already have, play free to play games, emulate retro games, play indie games.
Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Exactly. Also it’s way costlier to set up a hone theatre at home compared to buying a cheap gaming laptop and play indie oe competitive fps games.
Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I don’t know if I will buy this game then.
bcgm3@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Will it be yet another Borderlands game that I don’t buy until the GOTY edition goes on sale for less than $20? “It might be.”
Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Indeed.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
I didn’t bother with 3 thanks to it’s stupid epic store exclusivity
Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah, that was a bold strategy.
stoy@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
B1 was fun and interesting, B2 was brilliant, BTPS was fun, but slightly less so than B2, B3 was just annoying cringe.
And yeah, I played through all the games to completion including the DLCs.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 hours ago
I was just flabbergasted that they decided to make all of their perk trees boring and lame. I genuinely don’t remember anything about the characters other than disappointment.
Roland, Mordecai, Brick, Lilith: character design masterpieces. Distinct styles and strengths but not overly limited. Zer0, Salvador, Gage, Axton, Magic Chick 2: great, less type specialized but that’s not a bad thing.
Everyone else? Just walking gun stats. And not particularly fun ones.
stoy@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
I don’t even remember bothering with the spec trees on B3.
I did play as Claptrap i B3 to get some variation, his special was just stupid
Marighost@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
Borderlands 3 had some of the best gameplay in any shooter I’ve played, story and difficulty be damned. Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands was back to form, despite its disappointing post-game and 3-room DLCs. The only reason I’m excited for 4 is because the gameplay looks solid and they’ve yet to tell a single joke.
stoy@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
I never liked the gamplay in B3, though to be fair, I did grow up on UT2004, which other have told me is very floaty, so I may be biased on that…
TommySoda@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Borderlands 3 was barely worth $60 and I still waited for it to go on sale.
Lightsong@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I bought it in Fall 2024 for like 25 bucks with all DLCs. So I’ll wait year or two with BL4 no problem, there’s plenty other games I can play. I never buy brand new games.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
Aaaaaand I’ll wait for a sale. If I consider it in the first place. Gaming is so saturated, all these days 1 buyers are fucking us over.
tatann@lemm.ee 10 hours ago
Even worse than my backlog, there are all the comfort games I play every few years and which takes me months to complete (cause some of them are fairly long like The Witcher 3) and thanks to my crappy memory, multiple choices and mods I can enjoy them as much every time
arakhis_@feddit.org 15 hours ago
c/patientgamers@sh.itjust.works
the more of us just wait a couple months, the cheaper it’ll get and the sooner too
:p
hperrin@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
I’d be willing to pay that. But honestly, I’ll probably wait until it’s on sale.
PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 18 hours ago
Super Mario bros 3 was $59 in 1992
Borderlands 4 should be like $180 accounting for inflation
At $80 it’s not a terrible price.
Don’t get mad at me about our money being worthless.
I just wanna play games too.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
you can’t use straight 1:1 inflation to infer what the contemporary cost should be of digital products like video games, movies, tv shows, music etc. There is no physical asset to tie the individual product value to. There are of course production costs, but those are the same whether you make 10 thousand copies or 10 million.
The reason inflation hasn’t hit video game prices is because the video game market has grown exponentially since the 90s. They make more money by selling low margin at higher volume, compared to high margin and low volume. It’s all about maximizing that total profit, not individual sales.
Publishers can try to charge more, but it’ll be up to consumers if that actually gets them any more money overall. only time will tell.
jinarched@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Nah. I keep seeing this argument and I really disagree with it. It’s actually really simple economics; we don’t need to calculate inflation into this. If I think the price of something is too high (especially something I don’t need to survive), I don’t buy it. Companies can cry all they want, in the end I don’t care.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
It doesn’t seem like you disagree with anything they said?
If everyone followed your lead, the end result would be that video games don’t exist anymore. Just in case you didn’t play that out completely in your mind.
Glide@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
What in the late-stage capitalist brainrot.
It’s “simple economics” to attack people trying to make art and entertainment for having the gall to ever consider increasing their prices, knowing full well that the cost of living has increased drastically? You’re going with “that’s just the market telling them they’re charging too much” while ignoring the reality that rent has doubled - and in some cases tripled - food costs have gone up 50%, and wages have barely improved? It’s the fault of video game developers that you have relatively less money and cannot afford to purchase their product around the other products you need or are expected to purchase?
If your wage increased with the cost of living, you would not see this price as “too high.” But because some price increases are on necessary purchases, we attack the unnessecary ones, like good little capitalists. Adam Smith would be proud.
TrippyHippyDan@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Super Mario Bros. 3 was released as a fully finished product that I actually own a physical copy of.
Borderlands 4, will probably be a quarter finished when it released, filled with all kinds of apologies, possibly have micro transactions, and will likely be able to be taken out of my library at some point as it’s digital only.
The value is not the same.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
Think of how many more pixels you’re getting though.
PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 18 hours ago
You’re right the value is not the same.
Super Mario 3 would be $180 today.
Borderlands 4 will be less than half that.
It’s a good deal.
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
The industry is completely different now. The original was made in the 80s where programmers were hard to find and it took 10 of them 2 years and a million dollars to make. Then physical cartridges needed to be made and distributed that only ran on specialized hardware that also needed to be made and distributed. It selling for the equivalent of $180 could be justified since it was niche technology. There’s a reason Biggie Smalls brags about owning a Super Nintendo and a Sega Genesis in a rap song. That shit was expensive even in 1994.
Today, someone can make Super Mario Bros 3 in a month after watching some game dev tutorials on YouTube, upload the .exe to Steam, and sell limitless copies to anyone who owns a computer. Selling it for $180 would be ridiculous. There’s no reason tech today should cost the exact same as it did in the 80s.
Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
That’s not how the market works
anyhow2503@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
1992 was a very different time with very different market conditions and consumer behaviour for video games. Games used to have a much greater perceived entertainment value, despite their relatively small development budgets compared with today. They were also entirely physical media and renting was still a very common way to play them. From what I remember, it wasn’t the most financially accessible hobby either. Most of my friends growing up didn’t have permanent access to their own gaming console and not everyone that did had all the latest games. Nowadays, the gaming market is completely saturated with high quality titles, most of which are fairly cheap as well if you don’t buy them on release.
In any case: Super Mario Bros 3 came out in 1988 and released 1990 and 1991 for the US and Europe respectively. It also didn’t cost $59 and your inflation calculation seems off…
Aidinthel@reddthat.com 17 hours ago
I’m not sure where you’re numbers are coming from, but the inflation calculator I found through Google says that $59 in 1992 is more like $135 today. That’s still a significant increase of course, although I wonder how much publishers benefit from not needing as much physical distribution. After the initial investment selling digital keys on a third-party storefront like Steam should be pure profit, no?
Glide@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
I hate that you get downvoted for pointing out the reality of the situation.
Relative to the price of every else, $80 for a AAA videogame is actually reasonable. The problem is that rent has gone up drastically, food has gone up drastically, and our wages have stagnated. Getting pissed off at Gearbox for charging $80 for Borderlands 4, and then paying $15 for a burger and fries without an equal reaction just doesn’t seem sensible to me.
Everything is awful, and videogame devs aren’t the ones stealing all our buying power.
Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
Very in point. These same people complaining about the price of games will still buy a packet of chocolate biscuits for $7.
arakhis_@feddit.org 15 hours ago
reddit moment
Cris16228@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
I’ll wait for my girl to gift me the game 😍
She is fit 😏
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I once paid $140 (just pre-pandemic inflation) for a meal with two drinks at a fancy restaurant for a friend’s bachelor party. It was delicious. At the same time, I realized that no one meal, no matter how good, was worth that price. I don’t know what the threshold is for how much I’ll pay for a single video game, but $80 is more palatable to me when the game asking for it isn’t Mario Kart.
Droechai@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
I’d gladly pay 80 bucks for games, Ive paid way more than that in 40K, Warmahordes and Advanced Squad Leader.
If digital games would give me the same kind of “ownership”, like full access to the code and free reign to modify the rules sets as well as spreading those changes to friends and strangers I wouldn’t hesitate to spend similar amounts. However digital games, even physical on disks, has too many limitations as riders for that price to be motivated
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I wish we lived in a world close to that one, and maybe someday we’ll get there. Guilty Gear Strive’s source code just got leaked in its entirety, so complete that it can just be loaded as is into the Unreal editor, and a lot of people see this as a bad thing rather than the game ascending to immortality.
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
But are getting argyle gun skins?
KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
Got it, so wait for it in humble bundle or buy it once it sinks to $5.
smeg@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
That’s a sensible way to buy all video games
LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 18 hours ago
$80 I can wait.
generaldenmark@programming.dev 17 hours ago
I mean. Of course vidya games’ gonna get hit with inflation from time to time… just like every other product… every link in the chain, from producer to consumer needs to have an ever growing increase in profit for capitalism to work