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End of 10 - Windows ten is ending. Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer. But what if you could make your current one fast and secure again?

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Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Irelephant@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

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  • DicJacobus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Im not upgrading my OS, and im not building or buying a new computer.

    Im just going to ride it out until it explodes. the tech market is so messed up right now that I’ll end up paying more than what I did for my Machine in 2019, and it will be comparatvely, nowhere near as much as a performance jump as when I made the last switch from my 2012 build.

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  • randombullet@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you absolutely must use windows

    Download the Pro ISO from windows.

    Use MicroWin to create an iso without tpm requirements and with offline installation

    Use MAS and use only the Enterprise edition. You might need to upgrade to Professional first.

    Then use WindowsDebloater to tailor it to your liking.

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    • Ton@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My wife’s HP Spectre something laptop became twice as fast when I reinstalled it and removed all the cruft.

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unfortunately that requires a full reinstall, I wish there was a way to upgrade from 10 pro to 10 enterprise.

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      • randombullet@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah there’s no foolproof way to do a general upgrade. Wiping is the easiest way to bypass the tpm requirement.

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  • Chivera@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is Windows Enterprise LTSC a good idea?

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    • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is.

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As good as it gets, if you can’t get around using Windows.

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    • Sturgist@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nope.

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      • r_deckard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes

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      • krysel@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Please elaborate

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  • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve had a Mac for over 10 years, still runs like the day I got it. Sure I can’t play games on it, but does absolutely everything else perfect for me.

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I still have a running Windows 95 machine. Your Mac means nothing to me.

      10 years is the minimum age of my computers.

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    • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have a ten year old one which works fine with OpenCore Legacy Patcher.

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    • __dev@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Support for 2015 macs ended 7 months ago. Forget 10 years ago, my 2015 mac doesn’t run like it used to in Big Sur.

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      • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s unfortunate for you I guess.

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    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought Apple started the stopping support of Intel Mac’s a couple of years ago? If you had the newest Intel from 5 years ago, support is supposed to end this year.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s great, but what does it have to do with the topic?

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  • rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i have an older desktop with 10, it doesn’t have tpm, but there is a slot, i could get one and upgrade but also i mostly use linux on it
    but i still feel like i’m going to lose something and it stresses me out a bit

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I finally switched to Linux for my daily driver and gaming PC. It was easy.

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    • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There it is, the Linux bros always jumping in

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well yeah. The Mac bros are too busy polishing their yachts to spend time on Lemmy.

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    • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So honestly, which percentage of your game collection runs on Linux? Because I’ve looked into doing this just a few months ago, and unless the industry had some kind of mass exodus, less than 10% of my games run on Linux, and that’s a generous estimate.

      Not defending Windows or anything, this is just my experience.

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      • demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        less than 10% of my games run on Linux

        I’m kinda curious to see your games list

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      • gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I know you’re getting a ton of replies already, but I switched to Arch Linux two months back or so and I just want to say nearly every game I’ve tried works great out of the box, a handful of games required me to go to my steam settings a flip a switch or copy and paste something from protondb, and no games have failed to work.

        Gaming on Linux is so good that you end up flipping one switch in steam and get nearly perfect performance (with most games running identically or better than they did on Windows for me). It’s been such a surprise, I just played the Arc Raiders technical Alpha and I thought for sure Linux would fail me then. And it did. For the first day, then on the second day they patched proton and the game and I played all week and weekend with zero issues. It was fantastic!

        I would highly encourage any gamer who’s thinking about switching to Linux but worried their games won’t work to not worry as much. Check protondb for your favorites, but you can safely assume most game work out of the box.

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      • ihatefascist@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sorry but how did you only have 10% running on linux a few months back? I run every game except apex legends, warzone and fornite… This is ridiculous misinformation of you

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      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly I have a ridiculous pile o’ games like a lot of us do, and I’ve yet to find something (that’s not VR) that I cannot play .

        For reference I’m running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with a 30 series Nvidia card. Wayland, two monitors, main is 144hz ultrawide 3440 x 1440, another is 1080p 60hz.

        First off there’s a few programs out there to get you “Glorious Eggroll” versions of Proton which add even more stuff Valve can’t distribute in their versions.

        This beautiful software right here looks about right: davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/

        Steam works fantastically. Heck, Proton works better than native Linux builds sometimes! Deck playability is an even bigger mark of quality.

        Even EA’s silly launcher works. I got Titanfall 2 and that Sims 2 Ultimate they gave away ages ago working like butter.

        I also love actually owning my games, so I use Heroic Launcher for GoG titles.

        Oh! I even have CD games or old .EXEs windows would refuse to even install anymore! Don’t worry, Linux has got this. I use Bottles to have separate environments for those games to install to and run. Majority of the time it works great but this is where things can get iffy. But hey, Windows wouldn’t run them at all!

        Wanna know what made me switch? Vermintide 2 kept giving me BSODs in Windows 10 with some super vague error code that made me think “Oh crap, please don’t tell me my GPU is dying.”

        Nope! Linux ran it with zero probs once I fixed some small quirk to make their dumb little launcher work.

        Cherry on top? All my RGB stuff works with Open RGB or my recently retired Corsair keyboard works with “CKB Next”.

        The community has made incredible strides. My Win10 partition only exists because it has Windows Mixed Reality, which they’re abandoning. But not to fear, the Monado project is making HUGE improvements.

        Give it a shot. I think you’ll be surprised. :)

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      • Eagle0110@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        At this point it’s pretty much only the competitive games with kernel level anti-cheat that don’t work on Linux because of their kernel level anti-cheat.

        But then again, if 90% of the games you play are competitive games that require kernel level anti-cheat, you should probably consider expanding your gaming experience lol

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      • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Would “Steam Deck compatibility” be a good proxy, at least for Steam games?

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      • HowdWeGetHereAnyways@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I just made the switch this weekend. I have not had a single incompatibility yet. I have seen an oddity here and there in Helldivers 2, but nothing crazy.

        Oddity 1: In normal windows play async issues sometimes happen where a player steps on a mine in the other person’s client but not their own. They continue to play because their client doesn’t mark them dead. To the other person, they appear as a person missing some number of body parts (sometimes just a floating torso). We call this torso mode.

        Since switching to linux I have not seen him go torso mode a single time. He still sees me go torso mode.

        Oddity 2: The artillery rounds are color coded for what each of them does. Since switching to linux they only appear silver for whatever reason. It’s a nonissue, I just read them when I walk next to them. If anyone asks my character is colorblind.

        One additional note:

        If you install steam with a flatpak, you’re going to have to tangle with the permissions related to a flatpak. Once you add directory permissions for an additional directory via flatseal (for example, if you want a library on each of your harddrives), you won’t have to touch it again and it’s great.

        Maybe these issues are significant to you, maybe they aren’t. Ultimately, god I love my system starting up in just a few seconds. And having true control over it.

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      • TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Its a fairly safe bet that your offline games won’t have much trouble, from my experience.

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      • rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        idk where you looked, protondb.com is a good database for this stuff, from your later reply insurgency sandstorm and hund showdown are both “gold” rated, they should be okay
        but the thing is … you could just try for yourself, for free

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      • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What kind of games do you play? Unless a game has anticheat, it is pretty much guaranteed to run on Linux.

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      • Xatolos@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Multiplayer games and ones that require Uplay or Origin (can’t remember their new names) have issues, but most single player stuff will run fine. You’ll typically have to run them via Wine or Proton, but Steam will handle that for you.

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      • mrcleanup@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m on Garuda, every game I have tried has worked great, sometimes I just have to choose a different proton version with an easy pull down menu. The only game I have given up is Destiny 2, because they say they will ban anyone on Linux because of their anti cheat.

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  • bfg9k@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s MS’s plan after this? Everyone I know that uses Windows/M365 hate it more with every passing day and is looking to leave.

    I really don’t want to be in tech support in 2029 when they kill off old outlook. There will be blood on that day.

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    • Trihilis@ani.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No one (meaning less than 1% of people) will leave windows (sadly).

      People are lazy as shit and rather swipe their credit cards and buy something new with windows than to even give Linux a chance.

      99% of people really don’t give a shit about privacy or freedom when it comes to computers. Microsoft could slap handcuffs on them and point a camera at their screen and they’d still use windows.

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I switched to outlook in browser only because their native windows software is so terrible. Wish I could leave that shit OS entirely.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sounds like you live in an echo chamber. Windows is still by far the most popular computer operating system, and it’s not even close. There’s no sign of people moving away from Windows en-masse. Windows 11 adoption has been massive.

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      • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If Win11 adoption is really massive, it’s because MS forced it down people’s throats.

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      • bfg9k@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I work at a national IT support company talking to hundreds of windows users every week, and the general sentiment is that Windows 11 is unnecessary, new outlook is literally the Antichrist and people are sick of being charged more and more every year for crap they don’t want or need.

        Just l8ke I still see 2012R2 servers in the wild, Windows 10 isn’t going away anytime soon.

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      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sounds like you live in a contrarian chamber. People really do hate the “new Outlook” (basically it’s just Hotmail) and Windows 11 adoption has been slower than for most other versions of Windows. The requirements often mean needing to buy a new computer which a lot of people can’t afford, especially if prices go up because of tariff nonsense.

        There will be a lot of people still running on out of support Windows 10 systems at the end of the year.

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  • MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah yeah, I will get round to it, stop bloody nagging me.

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    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • ghostfish@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine all the people, using their PC’s.

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    • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Using their PC’s what?

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    • Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No Dell below us, above us only Pi

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  • JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I DID but a new computer; MacBook!

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    • Xatolos@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • turtle@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I bought a used PC with a 6-year old CPU model only to find out that Windows 11 wouldn’t support it. That’s when I realized that the only advantage that Windows had over Macs in my opinion (aside from games) was gone.

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  • altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If my computer could run faster it would catch up with my refrigerator.

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  • proxydark@szmer.info ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If anyone want to use Mint be prepared for bronen one after a while . Try Fedora instead. Maybe it looks harder on the beginning but it will be better instead of formatting Mint after few months to install it again. This was my own opinion about Mint as main Desktop. Now Fedora is my favorite and no format till now.

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    • themaninblack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mint still going strong and painless for me after 6 months

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      • proxydark@szmer.info ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Happy to hear that. Mine was broken after few months.

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      • CatZoomies@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        +1 for Linux Mint. I’ve been on it full time since December 2024 and have been incredibly pleased with its performance, stability, and customisation. I found alternatives for all my old Windows workflows, so there’s no way in hell I’ll go back to Windows.

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  • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I love Linux, but my older system has an older Nvidia graphics card in it and I lost 15-20 FPS when I switch to Linux.

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    • skozzii@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The new cards seem to perform better, but the old stuff is really hit and miss…

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    • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nvidia isn’t really the best, no

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      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is only not the best on Linux.

        Runs amazing on Windows, even better than AMD.

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unfortunate for Linux then because nvidia gpus are the best gpus.

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    • j0ester@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      20% downgrade on nVidia GPU’s when using some Linux OS.

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  • User79185@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    MS is for a rude awakening when general populace will not update their hardware with record inflation.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those people will do what they always do, just keep using it without security updates.

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      • r_deckard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Be clear about it - you’ll still get Windows Defender updates, but not patches to the OS or MS applications/Utilities.

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    • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People will just keep using insecure windows 10 versions.

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      • r_deckard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        JFC it doesn’t become a honeypot on November 1.

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      • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Or, you know, Linux, and be done with the crap

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  • yournamehere@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    pathetic title. clickbaity. in the end this shit wont help.

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ::laughs in kde::

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  • Lightsong@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I ran Microsoft Activation Scripts (MAS) on my PC, making it W10 IoT Enterprise and then ran Sophia script from GitHub to debloat my Windows. It’s pretty sweet, works for me so far.

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  • ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think you would enjoy the adventure of learning the Linux.

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    • trashboat@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Again… So much proprietary software is the industry standard, particularly Adobe, and much of it is Linux-compatible, making it not so easy to make the switch as a freelancer

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      • nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There are more hoops involved—stuff Windows 10 with your Adobe software in a VM with no Internet connection and you should be okay even after Win10 stops getting security updates—but it isn’t quite impossible for you to migrate everything else and have one or two specific Windows programs too. Granted, you may not have the time and energy to go that route.

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      • ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re right but not correct due to that’s not all the time. With my partners/clients I was able to use affinity and/or Davinci Resolve. Also Avid has Linux VM support which is nice. Also you can import a lot of modern adobe formats these days and also universal formats between the two. If you say “that’s a lot of work”, know your software more= write scripts and/or actions. It’s all automated now, just have to set it up once.

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    • toastmeister@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Its boring. You open a web browser or Steam, you do a thing, you go to sleep.

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  • addiks@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just want to continue using my HP Reverb G2, which will be bricked for absolutely no reason due to the deprecation of the Windows Mixed Reality Portal with the end of Windows 10. :-(

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    • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are ways to disable Windows updates. This is what I have done to allow me to keep using my reverb G2. Of course I don’t use my windows PC as my daily so I keep it air gapped for security

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    • toastmeister@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well its not for no reason. Its so they can sell DRM.

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  • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    well, i did buy a new computer. But for linux

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  • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Linux comes in a million flavors but most people should start with Mint. That sounds like a pun, but it’s also true.

    Mint is a nice, safe, up-to-date, simple, Windows-like choice that won’t unnecessarily complicate the transition to an entirely different operating system. It has good hardware support and good defaults. Most things will feel very familiar and be very accessible. It is popular enough to find plenty of help on the internet and answers to almost every question you could have. It mostly just works and when it doesn’t it’s usually not a deal-breaker.

    It’s not my favourite distro, but you aren’t ready for my favourite distro. Honestly I’m barely ready for my favourite distro. It’s not elitism, it’s just practicality. You’ll learn as you go, and you’ll eventually want to try other distros, but start with Mint, and keep a Mint system around for when you break everything else. Which you will if you start playing with other distros.

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That is your opinion

      Ask 100 Linux users and you will get 100 different distro recommendations for newbies.

      It is one of the main reasons Linux wont be going mainstream. Not until the Linux community get their shit together and finally agree on one “good” distro.

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  • simple@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Please god not the distrochooser site, when someone asks you where to install Linux you send them anything but that.

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