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Social media sites should have 'reverse' Parental Controls; where adult children can block their boomer/senior parents' accounts from viewing conspiracy and radicalizing content.

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Snowwomen@discuss.tchncs.de⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • jonne@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you set up parental controls on your parent’s devices I can guarantee they won’t find a way around it.

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    • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They will, usually by accident. Source: my father in law.

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      • jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You block Fox News using a Pi-hole?

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    • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      my grandpa with dementia installed OVER 40 solitaire apps because he would go to the app store and install one every time instead of opening the ones he “couldn’t find”

      now he has parental controls blocking app downloading

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      • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I hope you guys checked for subscriptions he may have added. Might still be paying for a dozen of those games.

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      • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m glad he has you/y’all Toadski

        <3

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    • StaticFalconar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thats all good for kids since they dont know any better to begin with. Parents will bitch and complain they can no longer watch Fox news to enough people, and ‘the problem’ will get fixed.

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  • cokeslutgarbage@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My mom mentioned that my dad has been watching some concerning (in her words, “annoying”) YouTube content lately. Last time she said that it was America’s Got Talent, but this time it’s white men arguing with cops. I visited and asked if he would show me. He jokingly said “are you gonna violate my rights?” And I very seriously said “yes. I need to make sure it’s not Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan or someone even worse”. He got a little bit offended and said “you know me better than that, I’m smarter than that”. But the thing is, you start by watching something innocuous like some idiot sovcit arguing with cops and the algorithm pipeline feeds you nazi shit from there and you don’t even know it.

    For context, my parents are the kind of leftists that don’t know what leftists are. My mom calls herself a bleeding heart liberal, and my dad sees the media say things like “radical liberals” and jumps up off the couch screaming “you bet your ass im a radical liberal!” But they’re left of liberal, they just don’t have the language for it.

    I’m not worried that my dad is gonna seek out nazi propaganda, im worried it’s gonna find him anyway and I want to throw his phone in a lake.

    Maybe shower thoughts wasn’t the right community for me to have my existential crisis. But I wish i could block “sovcit” on my dad’s phone and “trad-anything” on my mom’s phone, not because I think they’re dumb (okay maybe a little) but because this shit is so toxic and intrinsic and scary and my parents are so dumb.

    Take care of yourself and your loved ones xx

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I was interested in Diablo IV when it was released which, after a few videos, led YouTube to recommend Asmondgold. I watched one or two of his videos and the next thing I know my feed is full of maga and manosphere trash. Most of it had innocuous titles and thumbnails but a few minutes in I was being bombarded with lies, bad faith arguments, logical fallacies. Don’t even get me started with where funny Garand Thumb videos will lead. All I could think of was how Al Queda and ISIS recruited people with videos posted online.

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      • teft@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Same thing happened with me and Shadiversity. I like medieval stuff and fantasy so i thought he’d be interesting.

        Noooope. Just another fash scumbag.

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      • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Imo Asmongold is good to mid, until he starts getting political, then it plummets into awful. Also yeah I think the garand thumb to far right pipeline is very real, the guy is actually quite extreme iirc

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      • Gigasser@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Leftists really do need to do more gaming content.Thats all I’ll say.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Must be nice to have parents that haven’t turned out to be complete sociopaths.

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    • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sending love, you’re awesome

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  • Absaroka@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Any time you hear Republicans argue 18 year olds shouldn’t be able to vote, and they want to increase the age to 21/25, tell them “OK - then anybody over 65 isn’t allowed to vote either.”

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    • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would settle for no one can be elected if their age is younger or older than 30 and 60.

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      • madame_gaymes@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There already is a lower limit (must be 35), just need to add the upper

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      • bufalo1973@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Same maximum retirement age for everyone. Politicians included.

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  • CompostMaterial@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I constantly refer to my parents and in-laws as children. Why because they behave exactly like my 11 year old. They have no critical reasoning skills, no emotional intelligence, are easily offended, and can not be reliability left on their own without screwing something up.

    At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children and those of us in middle adulthood are left to parent our actual children and our childish parents.

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    • BoulevardBlvd@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unfortunately I think that’s just our parents and not all old people. My parents are the same way, but it seems to me more that maturing is a choice and active process that requires effort, and many people are unwilling to put in the work and vigilance required and it leads to the above

      I don’t think they’re children, I think they’re selfish lazy assholes, but the result that they need to be treated like children is the same

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    • thingAmaBob@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children

      I haven’t seen that happen to everyone I know around that age. Many still have their wits about them and see the current state of affairs as a clown show. Some are even out here on the streets protesting.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children and those of us in middle adulthood are left to parent our actual children and our childish parents.

      Is this true, or is this just (mostly) boomers?

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    • lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children

      I know someone who works in a elderly care home, she says roughly the same: “Ouderen verkindsen” (elderly turn into children)

      Your cognitive abilities really do seem to diminish after a certain point, no matter where. It’s annoying they think they’re adults and demand respect…

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      • MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My great grandmother (meemaw) had severe dementia, and one time in a moment of clarity she said I believe that you’re a child twice, at the beginning and the end.

        She lived to 96. Luckily my grandparents that I loved, her daughter (mamaw) and her daughter’s husband (papaw), died relatively much sooner once dementia set it. Unfortunately my grandpa lived with it for about ten years but it was only a couple years for my grandma. In great grandma’s case, she was falling in dementia around the time I was born.

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  • StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I just keep their Facebook accounts logged in on my phone. Every few months, I will go onto their profiles and unlike pages like “Wear your poppy with pride” and deradicalize their algorithm. Poppies for British boomers on Facebook are like Elsa and Spiderman on YouTube for babies.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How are poppies radical on Facebook?

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      • Fluke@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because the wearing of poppies has become synonymous with the now deduct BNP and the rest of the British right wing for a lot of us.

        You can thank Stephen Yaxley-Lennon for that.

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    • boreengreen@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Facebook slowly pushing more shit and you shoveling the shit away. Nicely done!

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    • mogranja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Very good idea there. I’m starting to have to keep track of my parents passwords (because they don’t) and removing spam/disinformation from their Facebook/email/YouTube regularly might resolve many issues.

      Like someone mentioned, shoveling the shit. Can’t stopped it from getting there, but I can remove it.

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  • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Simpler still: disenfranchise senile boomers. Of course you don’t target boomers specifically, any old person with very little time left to live and severe disconnect from reality shouldn’t be allowed to vote on what affects the rest of the world long after they are dead.

    old.reddit.com/r/DownWithIncumbency/

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    • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      severe disconnect from reality

      Something about that doesn’t sit right with me. Seeing how far the definition of an “illegal alien” is being stretched for deportation, I have a feeling people with autism, ADHD, depression, etc, would all be added to the list of people who are “disconnected from reality”

      Not to mention some people are dumb enough to argue being trans is a mental illness aswell. (dysphoria is, being trans is not)

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      • MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They did specifically say senile in conviction with a severe disconnect from reality.

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      • Bryllyg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I feel the need to offer a correction. Dysphoria is a diagnosis, and is not considered to be a mental illness.

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      • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        inform people about what’s going on around them

        I have lived all my life around retirees, people 50+ years old. I can tell you from that experience, you can inform them all you want, they’re not likely to change their opinions about anything.

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  • Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    no, WE THE PEOPLE should have global networks that simply remove that kind of brain rot and delete the people that perpetuate it.

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    • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The first step in trustable networks is securely validated identity.

      On the internet nobody knows if you’re a dog, a Russian Troll, or a corporate shill.

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      • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is the one thing I hoped for out of crypto/blockchain.

        You, commenter, don’t need to know that I’m “Brian Brianson, a citizen living at 123 Abenue Avenue”. But, it’s good to know that the person commenting is a real person who has been seen and verified by someone, as a simple true/false flag. If there were good ways of verifying basic conditions of people you interact with online, without exposing personal details, then it could curb botnet opinionation as well as be useful for a lot of things.

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      • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can be all three at the same time!

        Jokes apart, how would you prevent trolls and shills from trolling and shilling?

        We already have a problem where real accounts get stolen because they have a history so it’s harder to be flagged as bots. And one person can open multiple accounts in multiple networks. Hell, Facebook forces people to have phone numbers and there’s still so many bots and shills there.

        I don’t want this to sound like a straw man, I think there’s so many ways for bots to happen that it’s like playing wack a mole.

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    • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think we should kill large amounts of people just because they follow a different political ideology than us. 🙄 We have to be better than these extremists to truly show them a better way…

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      • y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        … I think he meant delete accounts, not delete actual people, but I could be wrong lol

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        just because they follow a different political ideology than us

        Good thing the actual reason is the being Nazi thing, not just having a different opinion then!

        Fuck Nazis and anyone who thinks they don’t deserve a slow and agonizing death

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      • Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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    • Gonzako@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The squad has taken care of the hacker

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s what router settings do. Sorry, X is not reachable from here.

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    • davetapley@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I love this in general, unfortunately for me my dad is a retired network engineer 😫

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        He still shouldn’t be able to circumvent a solid password. Sure, if the cell has signal, the home wifi settings won’t matter, but…

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      • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        As long as you hold the passwords…

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My wife stayed at an Airbnb last week, I tried to convince her to turn the parental controls on and block OAN and Fox.

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s OAN? Never heard of that.

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      • nickiwest@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Farther right than Fox. Yes, it’s possible.

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      • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        One America News. They used to be a fringe right-wing conspiracy website. Now they have a “news” broadcast on cable TV and a presidential administration that boosts them. It’s basically your drunk Qanon uncle rambling about lizard people, but with professional production.

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      • gamer@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Another far-right shit hole

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  • Cocopanda@futurology.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My parents are full blown terrorists. But their so fat they can’t actually do anything about their beliefs. I’ve warned them that if a Civil War starts. They will be the first to die because medications wont be available to keep them alive and I won’t care when it happens. They voted for this and support this trash.

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  • mogranja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    True. I also wanted a senior mode on Apple family groups.

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  • reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s the right idea, but too narrow of a demographic. It’s not the old people that seem to be the problem. At least not only them. It’s the uneducated or intellect impaired that should be reined in. The ones that are just smart enough to use Facebook, but would struggle to understand the concept of the Dunning–Kruger effect

    The amount of younger people that are sucked in hook, line, sinker, rod, boat, trailer and truck is staggering.

    It’s like they decided that reality didn’t work for them, so let’s just ignore it in favour of “insert discriminatory slogan or catchphrase here”.

    It’s bonkers.

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    • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The amount of younger people that are sucked in hook, line, sinker, rod, boat, trailer and truck is staggering.

      That demographic is a whole other problem that requires a whole other solution. Conservatives have spent a decade building the online right-wing pipeline with podcast bro’s and streamers aiming their content at young teenage boys. Now all those kids are of voting age, and a big chunk of them have spent half their lives being raised on manosphere bullshit that taught them that they are owed the world on a silver platter.

      I will hand it to conservatives; they are frighteningly good at organizing and staying on message in ways that the Left can only dream of. If we could get half as organized as them, they’d never win another election.

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        JK Rowling is doing something extremely similar to teenage girls, and this isn’t really on many’s radar.

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s the uneducated or intellect impaired that should be reined in.

      Are you aware that this genuinely sounds like some nazi shit? Let’s maybe not start controlling what the “intellect impaired” can do with their lives…

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      • reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think you are confusing Nazism with genuine concern. Careful with that. Hating people for opposing views is more dangerously close to what you so easily accuse me of, and your tiny tough guy attempt to mask your own bigotry just highlights that you may need to reflect a little.

        To my previous point, not somehow mitigating the easily duped portion of our formerly democratic systems is a big part of what’s driving the Nazi ideals back into popularity. As long as untamed propaganda is allowed into the thoughts of the weak minded, the rest of us face an uphill battle.

        If you read my previous statement about this again. You’ll notice that I didn’t say anyone should be controlled. Whether we bring facts back into law and punish those who spread lies, or bolster education to teach people how to spot the lies, it doesn’t really matter. But splitting hairs over how I said it won’t change that it is a problem.

        Trying to deflect, blame or sidestep that is playing right into the MAGA/Nazi mindset. Division of the people and spooky non-issues to rally fear in the populace is what gives them control.

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, there’s a reason the orange overlord is targeting universities now. He knows that election wins come from the uneducated and poor. They either truly don’t know, or don’t care enough since they have no investments worth mentioning.

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      • nickiwest@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You give him too much credit. He doesn’t know any of this. But the right-wing think tanks that have been waiting for this moment do, and he’s easily manipulated into following their agenda.

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  • boreengreen@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think it would be better to make social media unprofitable with heavy regularion on data collection, trading and sharing.

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    • lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Totally agree. Especially since in my country, young people are swallowing far-right propaganda at a higher rate than boomers. Canada’s Tater Tots are trying to elect a MAGA candidate right now. Age is not the problem - the well of information has been poisoned.

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  • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    south park did it.

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    • Zahille7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And they all started playing Minecraft unironically.

      Love that episode.

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      • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i do, too, but their portrayal of minecraft was hilariously bad

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  • WereCat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My parents are already fully indoctrinated. I don’t think there’s a way back

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    • Clairvoidance@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What they should do is one of those replace-words add-ons making rightwingers talk positive about DEI or talk shit about anti-immigration

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  • Pulptastic@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s a feature, not a bug. They show that stuff intentionally.

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  • TheColonel@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can’t speak for everyone but I raised my mom right and kept her away from that trash.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I recently thanked my dad for not going all crazy. He fixes up old cars and takes pictures of birds.

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      • gamer@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m jealous. Mine watches far-right extremist content on tiktok and youtube. What’s an affordable hobby that wouldn’t make an insecure man-child feel emasculated?

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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m so tired of this rampant paternalism across society. It’s exhausting.

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    • meliaesc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How do you propose to counteract the spread of facism through the internet?

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      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The same we fight it in the physical world. With debate and education and engagement.

        Wild that you would express concern with spreading of fascism while advocating for technocracy. You don’t oppose fascism- you just have a preferred flavor of it.

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    • gamer@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      paternalism

      Whenever I see someone complaining about this on the internet, I imagine they’re an angsty teenager mad that their mom doesn’t let them get a face tattoo.

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      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, you’re aware of the definition of paternalism then. That’s the whole point if authoritarianism. The leadership does not believe the people can trusted to run their own lives, and treats the entire population as disobedient teenagers.

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  • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Social media sites thrive on the engagement that comes from those people doom scrolling so this whole premise is antithetical to the purpose of social media sites and the only reason they aren’t doing the same to children is because the law prevents them from doing so wholesale (but they will try to edge around the law every chance they get).

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  • Surp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Man so much hate in this thread I’m not about what’s happened at all with the USA but I’ll still protect my family and show them a better way rather than let them rot and die. So many self righteous people thinking they know whats good.

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  • seeigel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, let’s normalize censorship.

    If the majority of people cannot handle information on their own, how can we maintain democracy?

    Are senior cititzens more stupid? Otherwise how do we know that we believe the right things, and not just what is acceptable by the mainstream which will change for the next generation?

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    • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, senior citizens are more stupid. That’s why scams targetting them exist. You can tell them about something being a scam and they will fall for it anyway. They will get fished by “huge savings” and “sales” despite being millionaires. Once someone starts “sliding back”, it doesn’t matter how smart they used to be.

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would whole-heartedly support this.

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  • emax_gomax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lol, this is literally a south park episode.

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  • DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, stripping adult people from some of their basic rights sound like a perfectly fine idea.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s better than the alternative. Trust me.

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      • DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So what basic rights should we strip them also? The right to vote? I mean, if they are not capable of making valid decisions about what to watch/read/think then they can’t be capable of making valid decisions to vote! And lets remove Freedom of Speech fully, it only gets misused to enable nasty opinions and thoughts that “the correct and good” people don’t like.

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  • RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How about we just don’t censor anything?

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Adults controlling other adults isn’t “reverse” tho.

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  • Opinionhaver@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I guess you don’t think much of your parents then if you feel like you’re a better judge of that.

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  • Freshparsnip@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The opposite of parental controls would be blocking content made for kids

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  • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So, you mean like childish control?

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  • vodkasolution@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sorry guys, that also happened 40 years ago in the form of “retired guy has some free time and starts buying 2 newspapers, one of which is just political propagabda”… That’s definitely not on social media, they just amplified the phenomena

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