my uncle learned driving with a manual and he said it scared the shit out of him because anytime he went up a hill hed start going backwards trying to get to the next gear 😭
You guys have to end it
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BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We should also get rid of starter motors. Who needs them? We can just hand crank the car to start it, like real men did back in the day.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I love when it backfires and accidentally breaks your arm! So manly!!!
dkc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I bought a new 2024 vehicle last year with a manual transmission. This will be the last manual I ever own. I don’t expect them to be around by the next time I get a car.
I’ve enjoyed driving stick since I was a teenager. It still makes my commute more enjoyable. A good rev matched downshift still makes me smile. I’m going to miss the experience when it finally comes to an end, but hopefully I can keep it up another 20 years.
LeonenTheDK@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I hate the knob. I can’t decide if that or the Nissan “orb of motion” as Garbage Time put it is my least favourite. I miss my manual car, but I’m on the electric train now, as computery as it gets.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ours has a stick configuration. Fellow Frankie supporter
bier@feddit.nl 1 year ago
This is a tip for people that don’t drive automatic transmission, if you ever try it, put it in R and really floor it. The R stands for racing mode!
wolfeh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
PUT IT IN “H”
stephan262@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What country is this car from?
wolfeh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It no longer exists.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
She’ll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 year ago
During Covid, I put together a budget sim rig. Played a looooot of VR Assetto Corsa. Learned to drive a manual, then went and did a manual Porsche race car on a track in Vegas. It worked! It was one of the best things I’ve ever done. I was flushed when I got out of the car. It was overwhelming.
Anyway, I was ready. So I took the natural next step. I bought a manual 1984 Ford F-250 with a ~7L (7.4L?) engine, dual gas tanks that held more fuel than I could ever afford. It was a beast. Long story short, I was not ready. Oh, did I mention I lived in mountainous Utah at the base of said mountains at the time?
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah pre year ~2000 cars are a bit different lmao
Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As someone that literally spent 25 years driving a manual, including various stints in racing. Manuals have seen their day.
It used to be if you wanted better mileage, you drove a manual. If you wanted to be faster on the track, drive a manual (caveat there is drag racing.)
Today? The computer is just better at controlling a transmission. I drive a Camry Hybrid now and not having shifts is REALLY weird and the drone getting up to highway speeds is annoying, but I do like the 45mpg. Not to mention, when I sat down to learn how the Toyota Hybrid Drive works… It’s a pretty clever system.
There are a lot of times that nostalgia gets the better of me and I wish I had a car with a manual. My oldest is possibly joining a skating team that is a 2 hour drive away. It’s tempting to let him use my car and then buy an older manual for myself as a toy. I’d love to get a hold of another mid-80’s Corolla GT-S. I autocrossed one back in the late 80’s early 90’s. It still remains my favorite car I’ve ever owned.
the_eyestalk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Eh, I’ve been driving manual for 20 years before I switched to electric a year ago and I don’t see many benefits with manual, apart from a certain comfortable nostalgia. Automatic is better in cities and it’s a lot easier for kids to learn. Handbrake starts on hills? What a weird thing to be nostalgic about.
I suspect it’s just these people think handling the gearstick makes them special. It’s the one thing they can be smug about,completely discounting the fact that any old idiot can learn to drive manual if they just practice a bit. Reminds me of my grandpa who insisted that it’s better to chop down trees with an axe and a handsaw, instead of using these modern chainsaws. He was a stubborn old dude.
Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good insight, it really is basically “if you get rid of this, then I won’t be good at anything”
ikidd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Laughs in Eaton 18
riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Electric cars have no transmission. If you buy electric, there are no stick shifts because electric cars only have one gear (with very few exceptions, and even then you’d just have 2 gears.)
Idk how this plays into the joke, but it’s a neat fact.
prayer@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Technically they have at least 2 “gears”, forward and reverse. But does it really count if all you do is shout at the angry pixies to run the other way?
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Handbrake start? Pffft… what a noob.
It’s called the parking brake and it’s for parking. You have the pedal for when you’re driving. You can use that while leaving from a hill, it’s really not that difficult, you just hop from the brake pedal to the biting point on the clutch.
I mean it’d be sort of a bitch on the clutch if it’s like a 40 degree hill and it’s a rental and it’s the first time you’re even moving it at all and you’ve no idea of where the biting point is, but you should never be in a position where that’s the very first time you drive a specific car. And after having driven a car once, you ought to know the biting point.
Thus, “handbrake start”? Noob shit.
- 3rd gen (former) taxi driver
dkc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I bought a new car with a manual transmission this year. It has a cool feature called “hill start assist”. Basically for the first 3 seconds I won’t roll backwards. It’s been nice.
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah sound’s decent enough.
I haven’t driven new cars since like 2019 so I’m a bit behind and not aware of the most recent developments
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
For real! Who uses the handbreak apart from actually parking somewhere? Even then it’s not required, though I prefer it that way.
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well the most use we ever got out of parking brakes was when driving front wheel drive cars in the winter so you can lock your back tires so you can slide around the snowy corners.
God I miss that now.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Wife owns an automatic, it’s fantastic for when you’re stuck in traffic, but GOD does it make shitty decisions. Of course it cannot anticipate whether or not you’re going to be climbing a slope, so it goes up a gear, but then it has to immediately go back down a gear, but you lost all speed already and it’s raining and you can’t pick up traction again so you slide back down the slope and try again. It’s also only really effective for the most tranquil driving, and it has a huuuuuuge inertia when accelerating, like a good half second of not obeying your pedaling, which is 1.frustrating and 2.dangerous in situations where you have to get out of the way urgently. So, would only recommend for old people or people frequently stuck in traffic. The technology has ways to go still
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Damn. Ours doesn’t behave that way.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Maybe it’s the brand. It’s a Hyundai
prayer@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Check your owners manual to see if you have a button to disable “overdrive”, it’s for adverse conditions such as uphill or downhill, off-road or rainy, etc. It prevents the shifting up too early and gives each gear more range to operate in. By default it’s on because it saves fuel, and they make the button hard to find sometimes.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
There is in fact something like this, never tried it. Thanks for the tip
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I drove one of the first semi trucks with an automatic transmission, and that thing was dangerous. It would pop me out of gear going down hill, thank fuck the brakes held out. The reverse gear could either roll the rig back at 10 inches per hour, or 10mph, and not much in-between.
Was nice being able to sip a coffee through traffic tho
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That must have been a while ago, I assume trucks got auto transmissions before consumer cars ?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I have never owned a car with an automatic transmission, and I am proud of that fact
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 year ago
I’ve owned ten cars and eight were manual transmission. Currently driving a 2020 Subaru Crosstrek with a manual. We bought it for my wife but she developed severe hip problems right after we bought it. So I made it my own - a 2" lift, smaller wheels with off road tires, aftermarket intake and exhaust, added a subwoofer under the passenger seat. I probably wouldn’t have bought it for me but now I love it. It’s been up some crazy mountain trails where the only other people I saw at the top were in jeeps or similar. It’s been in deep snow and deep sand. I’ve even broken an axle, no regrets. I use it to it’s full potential and I love being able to be in exactly the gear I want to be.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That sounds absolutely rad! Glad you’re having a blast, friend.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
what a silly ass thing to take pride in.
Aconite@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Manual is hell for people with back or knee issues.
ikidd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Clutches are for the weak. Grind em till you find em.
Psythik@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Person with back and knee issues here: worth it to not have to deal with a slushbox that won’t downshift when I need it to. I’ll never give up my manual.
phx@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Yeah I’ve got regular back and ankle issues. It’s annoying when they flare up but really not that bad. Unfortunately manuals are harder and harder to find so this will likely be my last
Opisek@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Eh, automatic cars will let you go into “manual” mode in which you tell it when to switch the gears. Mildly useful for steep hills to stop it from switching back and forth in some rare scenarios.
j0ester@lemmy.world 1 year ago
When car companies start charging for heated seats… that’s why I stop buying brand new cars and go for older ones
Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re like a solid 20 years behind here bud, they don’t even offer manual transmissions on high end luxury cars. People don’t buy them. I get it, I miss having manual cars, and it’s not as hard as people always complained, I could teach a dog to drive manual over the phone, it’s really not hard.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 1 year ago
That’s not true. Hinda selled more manual than automatic cars in the past year.
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
they don’t even offer manual transmissions on high end luxury cars
Honda
Hmm.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
There are plenty of cars offering manual transmission, its just not available for every CSR out there. If you want to have fun with it you can.
CptEnder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Manuals are infinitely more fun to drive and I like to manipulate the performance characteristics of the car myself but they’re probably going extinct to EV which is fine.
InputZero@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not just EVs, modern beltless CVTs and automatic transmissions make manual transmissions practically obsolete. With a wider set of gear ranges and way better performance and reliability they’re better in almost every way than a stick shift. That said, doesn’t matter how good a transmission is if it’s undersized for the engine, so I’m not say the transmission in any particular vehicle is good, just the tech has developed in recent years
jdeath@lemm.ee 1 year ago
those transmissions are only better on paper. sure they could be theoretically better but in practice the transmission programming is to way over aggressively upshift in order to miser out a little more fuel economy on paper (but in practice they waste fuel)
Polderviking@feddit.nl 1 year ago
You’ll never catch me doing something that can be automated away, this includes shifting gears in a car.
Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Pretty much every consumer in every auto market agrees with you. There are downsides to manual, you can grind a transmission’s gears to dust in a couple of days if you do it wrong, you really can’t trust someone to drive your car at all, you are much more actively driving, so you’re paying more attention, but you’re also more stressed, if you’re in bumper to bumper traffic, you will have to do the most difficult aspects of driving every few seconds to inch along for a half hour or more and that’s REALLY shitty, if you need to stop on any kind of hill, you have to be aware your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear where your just going to be falling down that hill while you convince yourself you don’t need to panic and you will catch the gear before you’re past the point of no return. You get better mileage, you get better control, you pay attention more, you focus more, but it’s not all roses, the risks usually aren’t worth it for modern car buyers.
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear
my arsehole just clenched tight for any car you’ve ever driven. eugh. you let a car fall back half a car length before the biting point? that’s literally a ton of pressure on it. you’re way better off giving too much gas and too little clutch than letting the car fall half a length backwards bro. the former will perhaps stress your clutch slightly but it won’t fuck with your gears like the latter
like a chinese burn vs a broken bone
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Starting on a slope isn’t particularly hard, use the handbrake
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Not saying you’re wrong in general but
if you need to stop on any kind of hill, you have to be aware your gonna need half a car length or more to get into gear where your just going to be falling down that hill while you convince yourself you don’t need to panic and you will catch the gear before you’re past the point of no return
My shitty Toyota Aygo has a hill start assist thing and it works very well. Also handbrake start is right there in the OP, (and a mandatory part of drivers ed over here)
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s not like you can use that time freed by automating gear shifting for something else.
It’s a tool, yes, but personally, I like having more control over tools I use. I’d choose a cordless drill that I can set the torque control myself over one that doesn’t have that option.
Polderviking@feddit.nl 1 year ago
It doesn’t free up time no but it does make driving ever so slightly less involved.
Controls on a drill have a clear practical purpose, and to my knowledge they don’t make them that do that automatically in a reasonable price range. ;-)
henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 year ago
As a programmer, I am more than happy automating a task for which I will never recoup my automation time investment.
It’s the principle of the thing.
jdeath@lemm.ee 1 year ago
as a senior programmer (with limited, valuable time), i exercise good judgement before wasting weeks on unused automations.
“measure twice, cut once” as the craftsmen used to say. or YAGNI
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I totally understand people who like the whole ritual of the manual car. But there’s something to be said for just getting something to happen without much effort.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Just because you need to learn something additional does not mean driving a manual requires more effort in any substantial way. Its more effort than 0, but it is not taxing or hard to drive a manual when you are used to it. I do not think about pushing the clutch in or shifting, I just do it.
I will say dont ever drive a manual if you will be in stop and go traffic for long periods of time regularly though. In personally never in it.
4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Big oil forced that shit onto you instead of going the far superior EV route from the beginning. Now EVs are finally taking over and I’m happy my kids never have to get fuel grease on their hands and suffer those nasty fumes at gas stations. Shifters were needed for an inferior technology to work. I liked it as an experience when I learned to drive. But cars are mostly transport due to failure of better public transport infrastructure. I don’t care whether they’re fun. I drive for fun on the Xbox or maybe in a GoKart every few years.
Oh that felt good to rant.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
With Tesla burning right now (sometimes literally), I’m concerned for the future of EVs.
There are other EV-only makers, most notably in my mind, rivian, but not many others come to mind.
Most other manufacturers have either stopped making EVs entirely, or switched to hybrid, or hybrid adjacent technologies. Honda is a good example of this backpedaling. They dipped their collective toes into EVs with proper hybrid vehicles during the pre-pandemic years. Between 2015 and 2020 (ish) they had a PHEV, the clarity. It was discontinued in 2020. I forget if the last model year was 2019 or 2020. Either way, I still kind of want one… Regardless, they took everything they learned and put it into their fancy new e-CVT, which essentially, at most speeds, turns the gasoline motor of the vehicle into a generator, powering an electric motor that drives the wheels.
Don’t get me wrong, that’s still more efficient than burning the Jurassic forests to drive motion, but it’s not as efficient as running the drive motor from batteries that were charged from green sources.
Most other manufacturers have done something similar in abandoning BEVs for HEVs or whatever Honda is doing. There’s a few stand out exceptions, like the F150 lightening. Good on you Ford… But the list is pretty short, especially compared to the fuel based alternatives.
It’s a good time for other companies to pick up the ball that Tesla dropped here, and I’m hoping they do. … I mean, they won’t because they’re too busy buying yachts with all that fossil fuel bribe money they get, but I can dream.
4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Apart from China, Hyundai/Kia is producing really great EVs. And the German brands have viable ones that might eventually catch up to Korea and China now that they’re taking it more seriously. Renault is really getting it lately and even Stellantis is coming with new platforms that are pretty good. The Japanese have invested more in anti-EV-propaganda than in EVs.
We have a Hyundai Kona from 2019 and it’s an amazing car. Every single person who ever tried it never wants to drive an ICE again. And this is an old low-to-mid-end vehicle. Our next EV is definitely going to be a lot better.
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Bud and xiaomi produce more EVs than American manufacturers produce vehicles in total.
The future of EVs is secure and the majority of drivers on earth will be driving one by 2050. Just not in the US, Canada, UK or other failed states.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
BYD is doing just fine, your shitty protectionist government just won’t allow you to buy them.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
EVs weren’t viable for long distance travel before though. Like batteries didn’t have the energy density they have today. The advancements in battery tech relied heavily on the advancements in computing tech. Like for battery research, manufacturing and battery management. And research in computer technology has never stopped.
Even if they never stopped making electric cars, they would have stayed short distance vehicles for a long time since battery tech didn’t advance fast enough. We might have gotten long distance EVs a decade years sooner but definitely not decades.
4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I’m sure batteries would have progressed more quickly if they had been chosen as the preferred path 100 years ago.
Turret3857@infosec.pub 1 year ago
[deleted]bss03@infosec.pub 1 year ago
IME, (2019 Volt) maintenance costs are lower with a PHEV. I have needed to take it to a dealer to deal with a OBD2 code that neither I nor my local mechanic could resolve, but the replacement part and labor was reasonably priced.
Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
You know that there’s shops all over the place who will fix cells in bad packs? Replacing the whole battery is FUD similar to warning someone they need to replace their whole engine if there’s any issue.
Etterra@discuss.online 1 year ago
I’m suddenly reminded of some ai-death clock site I saw recently. It predicted my death on May 13st.
xavier666@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You’ll die of 3st
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Daddy needs his coffee.
Seriously, the automatic is so much better for using a truck as a tool. I still drive a stick right now and I’m lucky I miss rush hour most days because we start and end early, one job site.
I’d never choose a manual for dealing with taking tools and materials around the Metro while the assholes I’m trying to service cut me off in stop and go traffic.
And IMO we need to start racing EVs, leave combustion for the 20th century old timer events
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I love my automatic transmission and cruise control, but I do think that I may have been a better driver when I drove stick. By necessity, I had to pay closer attention to the road than I have to today.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Just by realizing that you probably pay more attention than 90% of those goblins on the road.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It helps you become more innately aware of your speed. Gear (which you know either by remembering which one you last shifted to or by touching your shifter) and rpm (which you know by ear and responsiveness) are enough (once you become familiar enough with the vehicle) to have a good idea of how fast you’re going without even glancing at the speedometer.
Also engine braking gives more control over speed and I’m used to doing it, so can add the action to emergency situations without having to think about it so much.
Though the comparison is different when the paddle shifters are involved. I still prefer stick shift over that semi-auto style, but see that as more of a personal preference than technically superior. If anything, semi-auto is probably the superior one.
Though I’d also add the caveat of the technical differences between all three not being significant overall in practical terms. The biggest difference is probably just that driving MT takes additional skill that not everyone has or is comfortable learning/using. Which is nice as an anti theft feature but can be annoying if you want to trade off driving but the other drivers can’t drive your vehicle.
searchingforporpoise@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bought a new car last fall and looked everywhere for a manual, they are indeed getting rare in the US. Ended up with a Jeep Gladiator sport because it’s a convertible 4x4 with a stick shift and so far the driving experience has been nice. You can tell Stellantis cheaps out on some of the plastic trim stuff and we’ll see just how reliable it is after a few years. Would be sweet if Toyota would make a convertible or T-top 4runner with a stick shift in the US.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Do you also pay people to whip you? It seems like you like being hurt.
thebigslime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Jeeps are the bottom of the barrel for reliability and build quality, so godspeed on your journeys.
CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 1 year ago
buying a jeep just means you have at least 2 cars because one of them will be in the shop more often than not.
imvii@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’ve always had a manual car. I love them. That is until I ended up dating a younger woman and we moved in together. Several years later the manual turned into the second car only I drove. That got sold and we now have two cars she can drive.
One day I might teach her how to drive manual. We live in a really flat area with no major hills, so it shouldn’t be a problem. One day maybe,
letsgo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
No thanks. I switched to automatic shortly after I moved to Reading where I found in all the stop start traffic I was constantly dancing the clutch fandango and heading for having a left leg like a tree trunk.
wanderwisley@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I own a 2020 Subaru WRXSTI manual and I’ve enjoyed every minute of it.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s been difficult to find manual transmisssions for a couple of decades here in the US. That ship has sailed.
While most of my life I vowed my kids would learn manual, I gave up on that idea because
- manual transmission cars are rare and disappearing
- automatics now are more fuel efficient
- CVT are reliable and even more efficient
- EVs don’t shift They started driving in a world of automatics and will soon be in a world with no shofting
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
My Volkswagen flashes a message when I put the key in the ignition; “Depress clutch to start”
So I tell it that the majority of Yanks don’t know how to use it and it starts every time.
Mac@mander.xyz 1 year ago
This but unironically.