now i gotta download something i don’t even wan a download.
US Bill proposed to jail people who download Deepseek
Submitted 3 months ago by JOMusic@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.404media.co/senator-hawley-proposes-jail-time-for-people-who-download-deepseek/
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NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Yup. Downloaded 7b, 32b, and 70b varieties this afternoon. Entirely out of spite.
T156@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Since those smaller models are technically fine-tunes of Meta/Facebook’s LLAMA, using Deepseek’s outputs, I wonder if they would be covered by the bill at all.
ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I literally just did the same
labbbb2@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
Fascist regime and power/police abuse has started
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 3 months ago
to be fair for black people that is an old song
labbbb2@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
Oh, you’re right
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Most minorities — it’s the middle - upper class straight able bodied white people who are oblivious to it all.
scarabic@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Don’t worry, their already bad situation will get worse too.
scarabic@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Every step unchallenged is an invitation to do more.
TsarVul@lemmy.world 3 months ago
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Hawley’s statement called DeepSeek “a data-harvesting, low-cost AI model that sparked international concern and sent American technology stocks plummeting.”
data-harvesting ???
It runs offline… using open-source software that provably does not collect or transmit any data…
It is low-cost and out-competes American technology, though, true
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
pixxelkick@lemmy.world 3 months ago
sent American technology stocks plummeting
Oh yeah, thats what did it, totally
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is astounding.
I mean, not the Deepseek or jailing stuff. I mean a Senator actually proposing a law. I thought the way our government worked was, the annoying orange declares a vague uncited threat to be bad, and signs an executive order on it!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
No, we also allow mega corporations to submit bills that get rubber stamped by a rep somewhere. I don’t think a corporation would be so audacious as to submit this, so it’s a rare case of original content.
EveningPancakes@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I’m gonna download it even harder.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
See you hell evildoer!
blady_blah@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s awesome! I didn’t know you could download an LLM and run it locally! That’s what I’m really interested in is something that’s on my side and not a conduit to Google, MS or other.
I’m so glad Hawley proposed this bill or I wouldn’t have known that deepseek was open source and downloadable! I’ll have to go look for a download.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Ollama makes it pretty easy, and there are other runners as well. Good luck!
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
How to download/run a uncensored LLM locally:
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
AFAICT it’s not open source, just open weights.
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Download the model and run locally is the most secure and privacy friendly way to use it.
It’s absurd how little they know about what they are doing.
tabular@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I doubt they understand local vs server distinction.
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 months ago
“Server is when we ask Amazon to build a backdoor, local is when we ask Microsoft”
piecat@lemmy.world 3 months ago
And that’s exactly why they want to stop it
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Nah, Congress (esp the Senate) is a bunch of old people yelling at clouds, and sometimes they yell the same thing. Don’t give them too much credit.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s easy to run a distilled version of the R1 model locally. It’s very difficult to run the full version. Min $6k to get 7 tokens per second.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Here’s one for 2k if you don’t mine jank digitalspaceport.com/how-to-run-deepseek-r1-671b-…
Kyuuketsuki@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
I hear its easy, but I’ve had no luck at all on the most distilled models (for prelim testing), and am wondering how things have broken so badly.
jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
I wasn’t thinking of downloading an AI onto my low tire computer until now.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ve got a laptop kicking around from 2010 that’s about to get deepseek just because they’re proposing this dumb ass shit. I don’t even use Gen AI.
Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Finally affordable housing!
jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
same lmao
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Yes the ban on TikTok is working! We’re getting more and more freer!!! The kids will be saved!!! \s \s \s
jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Victory for free speech (as long as it means only we get to talk)!
Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 months ago
I wasn’t gonna, but now I gotta…
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
You laugh, but stay safe
Chivera@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Land of the free
Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org 3 months ago
Land of the free only refers to owning guns.
w3dd1e@lemm.ee 3 months ago
God, I hate Hawley. He’s an embarrassment to my state.
dontbelasagne@lemmy.world 3 months ago
So I guess it’s free speech as long as you agree with the goverment’s speech. If not, then it’s a crime.
timewarp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Elon Musk was just posting a factory of prisoners all working for cents on the dollar saying that America needs more of that.
TxzK@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
free speech is when racial slurs obviously
ilmagico@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Always have been, and this is a bipartisan value, heck, it’s common to all political parties of the world.
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
People like this should not be a government representative. But I guess that’s the trend lately
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Print the code in a book and mail it.
Surely, they cannot ban books… right? Right?
yarr@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Senator Josh Hawley was in his office, fumbling with a collection of outdated gadgets. His desk was cluttered with a clunky flip-phone, a ancient computer tower, and stacks of CDs labeled “Software for Dummies.” He had just been reading about this newfangled AI technology that everyone was buzzing about—though he wasn’t entirely sure what an AI was.
The phone rang, jolting him out of his thoughts. He fumbled with the flip-phone, trying to press the correct buttons to answer. When he finally managed to say “Hello,” his voice dripped with confusion.
“Senator Hawley, this is Greg from OpenAI. I wanted to discuss your proposed legislation about AI downloads,” the voice on the other end said.
Hawley leaned back in his chair, trying to look wise. “Legislation? Oh, right, that’s what they call laws these days. Something about jailing people who download stuff from China.”
Greg sighed. “It’s not just about downloading, Senator. It’s about AI models—complex software that can learn and adapt, like DeepSeek.”
Hawley’s brow furrowed. He hadn’t heard of DeepSeek before. “DeepSeek? That sounds communist to me. Probably tracking your thoughts or something.”
Greg tried to explain how AI works, but Hawley kept interrupting with questions about old technologies he thought were relevant. “So if someone downloads this AI, it’s like a CD-ROM, right? You just stick it in and hope it works?”
Greg pressed on, trying to translate the concept of cloud computing into terms Hawley might understand. “It’s more like… a virtual flip-phone that you can talk to without actually holding it.”
Hawley looked down at his desk, where his actual flip-phone was sitting. “I’m not sure I follow. Why would downloading this AI be bad?”
“Because DeepSeek is state-sponsored and could be used maliciously,” Greg said. “It’s like giving someone a modem to the Chinese government.”
Hawley brightened up. “Oh! Like that time I tried to use a dial-up connection? That was dangerous, wasn’t it? You didn’t know who was listening!”
Greg couldn’t help but laugh. “I’m not sure you’re understanding this correctly, Senator. This isn’t about phone calls or CDs—it’s about advanced algorithms that could change everything.”
Hawley stood up, clutching his flip-phone like it was a weapon. “Advanced? Sounds like the kind of thing that could be used to spy on people or start wars! Just like those CDs I tried to use once—they had some kind of communist software.”
Greg hesitated but decided to play along. “So you’re saying if someone downloads DeepSeek, they might be helping a foreign power? That’s why you want to jail them?”
Hawley nodded vigorously. “Exactly! It’s like having a modem without the filter. I propose jailing these people to protect our freedoms.”
Greg exchanged a glance with his colleague, who was now staring at him in disbelief. Finally, he said, “ Senator, this isn’t how technology works. If you jail people for downloading AI models, you’re not protecting innovation—you’re stifling it.”
Hawley squinted at Greg as if he were staring into the sun. “Stifle? I’m trying to stop something dangerous. You think I don’t know about this communist tech? I’ve seen it on the internet—full of viruses and stuff.”
Greg took a deep breath, realizing there was no way to reason with Hawley in this state. “Well, if that’s your stance, just remember: you’re not alone. There are people out there who think AI is a threat.”
Hawley smirked. “Good. People like me keep them in check.”
The call finally ended, and Greg sat back in his chair, shaking his head. “Senator Hawley is running for re-election,” he muttered to himself. “And if this bill passes, it’s going to be a nightmare.”
As for Senator Hawley, he was already back at his desk, scribbling notes about how to protect the country from “AI invasions.” He had no idea what he was up against—but one thing was certain: he was ready to fight.
mPony@lemmy.world 3 months ago
next up: US Bill proposed to jail people who watch MSNBC US Bill proposed to jail people who watch PBS US Bill proposed to jail people who don’t buy a cybertruck US Bill proposed to jail people who don’t vote GOP
So much freedom, so little time.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Do you think those channels are left? LoL
MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 months ago
They don’t need to be to be vilified.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Because China “leveraged” US technology 20 years ago, US politicians bring it up as a current shittalking point still. Deepseek, being open source, is opportunity for Americans to gain technology transfer from China, without “stealing”.
There is a desperation to protect US AI, mostly so that AI companies are indebted into serving the empire, and maybe the GOP,
Something AI is extremely capable today is deciding who to ban on reddit, or at the individual voter level, decide who should be turned away from elections. Recent US election had record voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted. Previously, black was a sufficient suppression incentive. AI makes it easy to target individuals or other factors. Musk, being praised for understanding “election machines”, now with access to SS numbers and an ability to link to voters or views on Israel/genocide, is a super power that ensures being king maker in perpetuity.
Freefall@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Was this Google translated from Chinese? That was chunky to read.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You wouldn’t download a car and then perform all the necessary lost wax casting, pressing, punching, machining, painting etc etc. Would you?
No!
You would download a finished car!
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Sooner or later we’re gonna have to bypass the Great Firewall of America by VPNing into China
JOMusic@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
It’s only a proposed bill (thankfully), but definitely one to keep an eye on.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Eh, it’s just virtue signaling nonsense. It’s not going anywhere.
knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
that’s what they said about <vaguely gestures at everything>
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 months ago
That’s what everyone thought about Trump becoming president… Both times.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
ways to self-sabotage (100% speedrun)
TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 months ago
You overestimate the strength of the cognitive dissonance. These people have somehow found a way to overcome the concept of hypocrisy and the consequences for it. They’re impervious to shame and repercussions.
This is them gathering their strength. The more we care about facts and honesty, the more they win. This is kind of the endgame
kokesh@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think the average IQ of republicans must be 20.
Barrymore@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
No, that’s collective IQ
workerONE@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ll download it twice
johsny@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m downloading it right now.
Koyaanisqatsi@lemm.ee 3 months ago
That’s a lifetime bro 😀
Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Its open source lol. Why don’t the tech billionaires innovate? Instead they just ban competitors
Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 months ago
turns out all that shit about open markets, free trade, competition was just while they were ahead to exploit it, now that China is doing it better than the US…back to protectionism and fascism.
__init__@programming.dev 3 months ago
Your tax dollars at work!
treadful@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
More protectionist bullshit that won’t help anyone.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The desperation… It reeks
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 months ago
Wow, bold choice to ban the import of technology and knowledge. Usually governments are worried to export technology so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Btw, how is the Nvidia stock price doing?
forrgott@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Right? Like, seriously, we all know somebody is just butthurt because their stock options tanked.
Oh, wait, I’m sorry! That was very unpatriotic of me, wasn’t it? I mean, we all know that winning an election guarantees being heavily rewarded with insider trading, right? It’s not like they’re there to represent constituents or anything; I mean, doesn’t everyone know we’re a republic, not a democracy?!
Sigh…
Petter1@lemm.ee 3 months ago
To be fair, this is common practice. Countries do this all the time to protect their economies. Mostly known in the West is China which banned many US services.
Of course, security of the data of the citizens is also a factor. You don’t want foreign countries use this data to interfere in any way.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 months ago
Honestly, I don't think this is common practice in non-oppressive countries. I mean sure, this happens in North Korea, Iran, China... But I'm relatively free to consume what I want with a few minor exceptions. For example we don't import food that isn't food-safe by our standards. Regardless if it's common practice to eat it in other places. Also food may not be able to enter the country due to laws on animal cruelty. Similar things apply to electronic devices that aren't up to code. And some select few things are banned altogether and you can't have them and neither can someone import them. Other than that, regulations aren't super strict. I can use all American social media platforms despite them stealing my personal data and violating European privacy laws regularly, can use Russian or Chinese websites... I think I live in a free country.
And mind that this isn't about the service that collects your data and gives it to the Chinese government. This is about downloading the model file and using it all by yourself. So no data gets transferred to a foreign country. And it's not because people could get harmed or anything. This is just because the vice president doesn't want it personally. Like in some dictatorship. Otherwise they would have banned transferring data into foreign countries, if that's what ut's about. But they didn't do that.