Drive through rural America and see how many underpopulated small towns there are. Shuttered businesses for lack of customers. Abandoned buildings. These places need people.
Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations
Submitted 5 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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GraniteM@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.
For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there’s basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.
Again, it’s just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking “Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn’t sound realistic,” but apparently that’s way more common than I thought.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My slightly educated guess would be that’s a consequence of America’s race westward in the 1800’s, only stopping long enough to annihilate the indigenous population and set up a rest stop for the next batch.
WordBox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We also have “towns” that are insufficient in size and unlisted or are under another towns “address”. A town near me has less than 1000 people and that includes the towns under it that are 3-5mi apart.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. …while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 months ago
No, of course we won’t move
Try “Can’t”
I don’t know why you city slickers think packing up all your shit and moving into a new house in a new town is free, but it isn’t. We ARE being ignored, worse than that, we’re being left to die.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Tack on the attempts to maintain high/high quality amenities in sparsely populated, low tax revenue areas, and you have a nice fat deficit for your small town compounding that problem.
antiynks44@lemmings.world 5 months ago
I don’t give a fuck about genocide?
Bitch my friend in beyruth got her husband bombed. Fucking die. You are a useless, heartless person. Please commit suicide asap
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Don’t worry. This isn’t the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn’t have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.
But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh…there’s corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?
Yeah. There’s a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 5 months ago
I’m from Iowa and have been through Nebraska (no one stops in Nebraska) and I’m here to report: yes, they do have corn there.
TehWorld@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The east coast has more big cities than those other places, but there are still. HUGE number of teeny-tiny dying towns all up and down the eastern seaboard.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…
GraniteM@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We tried this before and it sucked then, too.
danc4498@lemmy.world 5 months ago
For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?
Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m pretty sure there was a damaging mass deportation during the Great Depression that deported mostly american citizens to Mexico.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Both.
The Wilson/Coolidge Era was nightmarish for immigrants, with a host of laws targeting East Asian migrants and displacing uncountable numbers of industrial workers particularly along the West Coast.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback set off a wave of police terror along the Gulf Coast, crippled the agricultural economy, and killed hundreds of migrants forced into transit.
The current border policy funnels hundreds of thousands of migrants through an inhospitality Texas/Arizona desert region that’s killed around 10k-50k people in the last decade.
None of it actually curbs immigration. It all just becomes a black market affair, affording employers a tool to depress wages and cartels an opportunity to press-gang border residents into cattle slavery.
thejml@lemm.ee 5 months ago
The people being deported AND the people who weren’t.
thejml@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Yeah, we definitely need less people in this country. I’m sure it’ll help fill all the job vacancies and increase productivity and GDP.
I will make sure to bring this up when any republicans complain that are so many vacancies because no one wants to work anymore.
ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Lebensraum.
It doesn’t need to be a real problem, for them to make it one.
The immigrant work force will still be there, they’ll just be put in camps and forced to work for nothing, while white working class people are sold the idea of “claiming back” “their” land, while the capitalists take it all over in their name (and never share any of the profits or benefits, of course, with a new scapegoat as for why as they need it).
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Strictly speaking of productivity - labor shortage increases productivity. Cheap labor decreases productivity. Expensive labor forces capitalists to invest in new equipment and training to be able to produce the same output with fewer labor hours.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to pay that defect.
zephorah@lemm.ee 5 months ago
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
Bahnd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
TehWorld@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m writing a story where children are immediately under a birth debt once they are born and its an entire generations dream to get out from under that debt.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
teamevil@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Plus the NSA knows the weapon supply stock of the US Armory and no matter how many rounds the avg “patriotic” gravy seal might have.
Literally no way to stand up to the gear the US military has, our real hope is some how not letting trump purge the military to break the laws.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
inv3r510n@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.
They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.
Wilzax@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This move actually makes zero fucking sense. Having people in our country who are willing to work less money than the average citizen labor costs are low. That basically means more money for him and his oligarch buddies.
He’s already won the election. He doesn’t have to keep posturing like this. And he’s not going to be elected again, so either he (hopefully) has no third term, or he’ll prevent the 2028 elections from being free and fair.
My prediction is that nothing will actually come of this and he’s saying this to keep his approval rating high.
Either that or he’s even more racist than he is greedy and self-centered
ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
He’s already won the election. He doesn’t have to keep posturing like this.
That was never his end goal, and you’re naive to think otherwise.
As for the rest, you’re missing a key step - to get them all “deported”, first they need to be rounded up, and put in camps (we already past this point a while back), and then since they’re already in camps, they might as well be put to work. For free (another point we’ve past). When they start dying off in big enough numbers for it to affect production, there will be another group marked for “deportation” and rounded up for their turn.
This isn’t fascism’s first fucking rodeo, and it isn’t only now getting started, it has been in motion for a good while now.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
passed*
“We passed that point”
“We’ve passed that point”
“We’ve gone past that point”
“We’re past that point”
The past tense verb of pass is passed. The adjective is past.
But it might be hard to fix without losing your link, so we’ll give you a pass.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Interesting note: The camps started under Obama, certainly continued under trump, and only ramped up once Biden took over. Something tells me that Kamala wasn’t going to buck that trend, it seems to be a bipartisan effort.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 months ago
if it doesn’t make sense, change your perspective.
why would a leader with strong ties to one of the nations strongest enemies want to damage ot destroy the economy and the will of the people?
🤔
Addv4@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Later one. For sure.
latenightnoir@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Actually serves pretty well if one’s goal were to further destabilise things. People have already been convinced that illegal immigrants are to blame for all economic problems (even though it is easier to prove the extreme opposite through a cursory search on the internet), maybe the point was to get them to the next level, get them angry at something else after everything is done with the false problem.
I just don’t see Trump actually wanting what’s his version of “best” for the country. I think he’s on a power play, and the country’s just the kindling.
Maybe I’m talking complete nonsense, but this feels like a… logical escalation. To what, I cannot fathom, although we’ve seen similar movements preclude Totalitarian/Authoritarian regime solidification periods before, where the desperate masses clung to the wrong solution.
m0darn@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I just want to point out that declaring a state of emergency to “deal with” illegal immigrants will allow the construction of large camps all over the country where undesirables can be ‘concentrated’ for ‘processing’.
After rounding up illegal immigrants, maybe they’ll invalidate the status of legal immigrants that knowingly employed, illegal immigrants. Or housed illegal immigrants. Or defended illegal immigrants. Of course these people will need to be detained in the same camps while it all gets processed.
The condition of the camps won’t be great, maybe the detainees can work in specially approved facilities while immigration status gets processed, this will help alleviate the cost of camp maintenance and improve living conditions.
Maybe the detainees can be rented out to local plantations to subsidize the cost of feeding them.
m_f@midwest.social 5 months ago
Wrong community. This dystopia is about get real interesting, real fast 😬
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You can’t beat Trump’s brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 5 months ago
The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 months ago
where are those loud mouthed lefties bemoaning, “both parties are the same!”?
cmon folks, don’t get mad this is what you wanted when to gave up your right to vote.
we’re just getting started on the find out part! stick around, it’s gonna be a doozy!
🤡
pjwestin@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
Donebrach@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This place was rife with bots spreading kill stone and Claudia de La Cruze propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 months ago
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
where are those loud mouthed lefties
my blocked list
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Gee, I wonder what the solution will be if other countries wont take our undesirables.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 months ago
War?
I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Candy canes and free showers.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 months ago
Trump thinks that the best way to avoid the last of the NY state trial is to create chaos and violence until we cry uncle.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There are dark days ahead.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Winter is coming.
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
I love *subtle racism".
Thteven@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This dystopia is starting to heat up 😬
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So he’s gonna do what Biden shouldve done about the fucking MAGAts. It’s our patriotic duty to kill every goddamn one of those Nazi pieces of shit and yes that means your trump-loving mother
Today@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m third generation, but I’d like to be deported, please. Where do i sign up?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Somewhere between fourth and seventh myself. Unless you’ve got citizenship somewhere else why? Statelessness is not something to aspire to.
dorumon@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Please deport me harder orange man.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
To declare a “National Emergency”, he probably needs a cause. How does American law deal with those “National Emergency” situations? Does he need some proof? Does he need confirmation from somewhere?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Genocide Joe continued Trump’s attacks on refugees, so now Trump feels like he has to go even harder.
inv3r510n@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Careful don’t trigger the libs!
SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Holy shit dude i got so much dopamine from hurting dumb libz but I’m not addicted even though it’s the only way I allow myself to get dopamine fuck libz it feels soooo good to hate people especially minorities and women
inv3r510n@lemmy.world 5 months ago
He’s not going to succeed at his goals unless he essentially suspends the constitution. Which I wouldn’t put past him necessarily but for now these headlines are pretty sensational.
Everybody is protected by the fifth amendment regardless of citizenship status or if they are here “legally” or not. We’re all entitled to due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure so long as we’re standing on American soil. Running after families just minding their business and demanding papers please is far fetched. Going after already established criminals however is a lot easier and low hanging fruit. And I’m not talking about people who’s only crime is being here illegally, I’m talking about people who are that + another crime. And sorry but I don’t feel sympathy for those people who make life harder for everyone else…
Even if they do go after everyone they don’t have the infrastructure in place to process people. The highest deportations happened under Obama (take that, hysterical pissing in their pants liberals) at 230k a year and the system was barely functioning and is further backlogged now than ever. How the fuck is trump gonna manage to deport a million a year?
He’s full of hot air. Hell deport criminals and claim a win.
KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I would be honestly less concerned if I thought the administration would be successful in deporting people. I think you’re relying heavily on “due process” here, when the reality is they can just accuse you of a crime, deny you bail, and then hold you pretty much indefinitely. You let the ones who can get lawyers out and you’ve pretty effectively filtered the population for wealth.
The Nazi death camps started as temporary internment camps with the intent to deport Jews eventually.
Then they just ended up with a whole bunch of people in camps with nowhere to send them and were like, “well, we might as well get some work out of some and kill the rest” and it sort of escalated from there.
Which with their “camps for the mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted” and “deportation emergency” sounds alarmingly similar.
inv3r510n@lemmy.world 5 months ago
First sentence: unless he suspends the constitution
FatTony@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well at least we’re getting close to a somewhat interesting dystopia. /s
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
It’s more efficient to just concentrate them in camps and gas them.
painfulasterisk1@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Will he deport Elon?
penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Dear, dear. What has the world come to?
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
Machinist@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I successfully ghosted mine to the point that they probably think I am dead.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Operation Jade Helm
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Being from austin and listening to him on the radio while driving occasionally yea I member