$700, and the side by sides look barely different, from my perspective. The chat seemed to have the same opinion.
$700 is too much money. Especially if you already have a PS5.
Sony announces the PS5 Pro with a larger GPU, advanced ray tracing, and AI upscaling
Submitted 2 months ago by ampersandrew@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/10/24167932/ps5-pro-sony-specs-announcement
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garretble@lemmy.world 2 months ago
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 months ago
$200 extra for reflections between cars in GT7 or slightly better shadow resolution is not worth it IMO.
My PS5 already collects dust as it is, since there are next to no games that actually make use of its hardware that I cannot already buy on PC to run at higher settings.
Pacmanlives@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I agree! I wanted one for another room in my house but at this price point no way I am doing that!!!
With the last gen and the current gen being basically PC’s what not just go the PC route at this point. I am kind of at that point right now
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You might look into the mini PC form factor and throw Bazzite on it for a Steam console-esque experience.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s actually why I went with the Xbox this cycle. I got a series x for the large TV and a $200 (on sale) series S for the smaller one (although we usually just use a computer monitor and play side by side on the couch).
Banichan@dormi.zone 2 months ago
Fuck you, I’m trading up. Have fun living in the past!
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
PCs will always outperform consoles in both performance and capability, so have fun being a loser clinging to a failing industry.
burgersc12@mander.xyz 2 months ago
You could buy a pretty nice PC for $700
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Which could play MS and Sony games. I don’t think consoles make much sense nowadays.
burgersc12@mander.xyz 2 months ago
And the best part is you don’t have to pay for online and you won’t need to rebuy your games each new console generation.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It did when the ps5 first came out. $500 for it was a steal back then. I wanted to build a PC at the time but due to the crazy GPU prices and low stock for other parts I decided it was best to wait. Got a ps5 instead (was also hard to get as well) and thought it was absolutely worth the price for the experience it offered. Just built the pc I wanted last fall shortly after prices started dropping. First time ever I made a good choice.
Shard@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Get yours! Now with 50% more AI™
Hurry while stocks last!
Glytch@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s why you build your own. It’s actually really easy to do.
PunchingWood@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Depending on how much you care about visuals, yeah.
A decent GPU will often be the price of an entire console. That said, even if you go with high-end hardware I found that eventually the cost will make up for itself for not having to pay for PSN to make use of and play on the internet. Or the fact that games are very often priced up to 50% more on the PS store than those on PC because there are no competing stores.
B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s a lot of money for a generation that just isn’t worth it.
simple@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Darn, I posted this earlier but sadly lemm.ee is having server issues. This’ll be the main thread, then.
Official Blog Post | PS5 Pro Reveal Trailer
The PS5 Pro console will be available this holiday at a manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) of $699.99 USD, £699.99 GBP, €799.99 EUR, and ¥119,980 JPY (includes tax). It will include a 2TB SSD, a DualSense wireless controller and a copy of Astro’s Playroom pre-installed in every PS5 Pro purchase. PS5 Pro is available as a disc-less console, with the option to purchase the currently available Disc Drive for PS5 separately.
The big question mark for me is that not only does it cost 800 euros, it does NOT come with a disc drive. There is no version of it with a disc drive like the PS5, you have to buy it as an accessory. I guess physical games really are going away.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yeah. Almost no one I know buys physical anything anymore. Kinda sad to see it go. We really need to instill some better laws around ownership of digital goods.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I occasionally still but physical on the few day one releases I get because somehow getting that delivered to my house can be £5 cheaper or more
SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
I think this shift will be the end of me buying games, period.
I am that person who doesn’t ever buy digital. I have not bought a single digital game thus far (I haven’t pirated a game since like 2006, either). I have certainly played some, like with the PS+ subscription I got for a year when it was pretty cheap, but I wouldn’t buy them because I can’t be sure I own them, and there’s really no way to transfer the license to resell them.
If I can’t buy physical media, I simply won’t buy the games. Maybe I’ll use subscription services now and then, but more likely I’ll either find a way to play free or won’t play them at all and find other stuff. I want the physical media because I’m poor, and having the option to sell them in a pinch is important to me if I’m going to shell out a significant amount for something I’ll probably only play once, particularly since there won’t be a used game market to reduce my spend. I haven’t had to sell my games in a very long time, so I have some 400 discs, but it’s something of a savings option that inflates alongside currency, and sometimes much more.
IamAnonymous@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Laws aren’t going to help keep the price down which is also an issue apart from the digital ownership. It’s always cheaper to buy physical games as they go on sale. What’s stopping Sony from selling PS Exclusive for $100 only in their store?
Are we going to get restricted to only buying from Sony store or is Best Buy going to sell me a box with a digital code?
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I was very close to getting a digital PS5, but I still need the drive for my old PS4 games and movies. If I were just getting into Sony now though, I imagine the story would be different.
criticon@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I rent games via gamefly, I’ll definitely keep using discs
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
No disc drive and no fucking vertical stand/mount.
And yeah. Sony actually tried to “kill” physical games years ago with the PSP Go (?). But that was still when Gamestop and Best Buy were power houses and there was a lot of threats of “okay. We will give all the good shelf space to MS and Nintendo” and that went away fast.
But now brick and mortar are basically dead and everyone is periodically pissed at Amazon because they did an unsanctioned 2 dollar discount on a new game. So we are seeing the return.
In theory it annoys me because the playstations have always been okay-good media players and I have one of the gundam breakers on a physical disc because that was the cheapest way to get all the DLC. But for higher end digital media we are missing the codecs (because money) and physical digital media as a whole is going away. So… probably the right decision to wean people off it.
That said: Charging extra for the fucking vertical stand is just insane since a lot of us had tv stands that cannot fit the PS5 horizontally. But also, considering this looke like it is a bit taller/longer, it also can’t fit it vertically so…
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Remarkable is, presumably, a good bang-for-your-buck PC build?
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They can still kind of kill physical games with good service. The whole “honey rather than vinegar” argument.
That’s what happened with the PSVita. While overpriced game cartridges existed, most of its lifespan people were buying its games digitally which worked great for indie developers that didn’t have a budget for physical releases.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The writing has been on the wall for physical games for some time. If you want to hold on to your games, DRM-free is better than physical.
simple@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sadly not an option for console. I don’t own a PS5 currently but when I did own consoles I would trade games and buy used all the time, it’s a shame this might not be possible next generation.
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As someone who buys expensive games, games I’m excited for, or just franchises I’m invested in, the death of discs is going to really make me reevaluate my gaming. I’ll probably at least wait for a sale for every single game if I can’t have a physical copy.
Almost all of my digital purchases are cheap games.
Aielman15@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This generation is already pretty weak, and it was hard to justify the original PS5 which, after a whopping four years, still has too few exclusive titles to justify the increased price point. Now they are asking for $700 (and they increased the controller’s price, too), but there’s still too few next gen titles, and it doesn’t even come with basic features like a disc tray and a vertical mount. Not even a better form factor, it’s the same old ugly case, but somehow bigger.
The only premium thing about this thing is the price tag. $700 dollars but €800, because apparently they are dominating the European market so much that they don’t even have to try to sell it at an honest price point. With all those money you can just buy a PC. I honestly don’t think that many people who are interested in the console market (which, historically, has always been a “low budget” entry into modern gaming) would be willing to spend so much money on one.
I guess we circled back to the PS3 era, when Sony got drunk with overconfidence. Only, this time they’ll get away with it because their main competition are somehow even more incompetent than them.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It’s just so sad. I remember back when the PS4 Pro came out and you could trade in your old PS4 for a little on top to get a Pro at GameStop. It was a night and day difference going from a base PS4 to a Pro - and merely for the price of the console, 3 random games off a list of curated games, two controllers, iirc, and 100€. It was straight gas for me.
Paying 300€ on top - realistically even more because you’re not gonna sell a used PS5 for 500€ nowadays - plus the money for a disc drive and a vertical stand would set you back like 900-100€. Completely out of their minds
Swarfega@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Not worth it. The PS5 games catalogue is piss poor compared to when the PS4 Pro released.
GoodEye8@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Kinda hard to make a solid catalogue when you follow the live service trend and your projects flop one after another.
PunchingWood@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Frankly that’s just thinking with only PS5 exclusives in mind.
A lot of people, probably the vast majority, don’t get an Xbox or PlayStation for the exclusives. They just get one because they don’t own or want a gaming PC and look for the easier more accessible solution.
So to them the catalogue is just fine because they don’t get the console just for the exclusives.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 2 months ago
I dunno I haven’t really been excited for any of the games released over the last couple years. It seems like nothing but legacy games like COD/Battlefield/Destiny and a few gems like Elden Ring. Most of these big studios seem to be laying off employees or shutting down instead of releasing new games. Part of this is just me being burnt out on gaming, but with so many studios struggling, it seems like it’s more than just me feeling like this.
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If what you said was true, Xbox would be in a much better position though, COD and EAFC are there too after all.
zib@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The PS5 is already a very powerful piece of hardware that most devs aren’t making full use of. I honestly can’t see any justification in a hardware upgrade other than some Sony execs thinking it’ll be the end of the world if they don’t put out something new to make some profit line continue to go up.
TheBat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Are there enough exclusives to justify buying one? 🤔
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you have to ask
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
A base PS5 maybe if you like the franchises and want a hassle-free “just gaming” experience on a console. Many of them exist on PC nowadays though. And 800€ for a console is just robbery
cm0002@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ah, continuing with the ugly AF design language I see. Guess I’m skipping the entire PS5 gen then. See you guys for the PS6!
TownhouseGloryHole@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No kidding. I am shocked they somehow made it even uglier. Was really hoping for a simpler, less obnoxious design.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Why not go PC at this point. Modern consoles are locked pre-built PCs and paying $700 for a locked system is crazy.
antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl 2 months ago
So far I’ve traded in all my Playstations for the latest versions. But this price-hike and no disc-drive are a dealbreaker. Guess I’m going for a new gaming PC and a Steam Deck now. Too bad Sony, you messed up.
De_Narm@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m still waiting for a reason to get a PS5 at all, everything I’ve been interested still got released on PS4 too - except for one single game.
I really don’t care for better specs anymore, I probably couldn’t even tell PS4 and PS5 games apart without a side-by-side comparison. Not to mention, to see a difference at all I’d need a new TV on top of the console. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 2 months ago
One major improvement with the PS5 is the instant loading times. I don’t think this thing will be any faster in that regard but it’s a major improvement over the PS4. The other improvement over my original PS4 is that it doesn’t sound like a jet engine after 20 minutes of running.
Ray tracing is cool but what console games are even using it at this point? It’s like them advertising “8K capable” as if anyone gives a shit about that during a time that 4k is just barely becoming the standard for most.
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Awesome, I can pay $700 to play Bloodborne in 30 fps
ZeroTwo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They need to pump out more games to justify this. I see no reason to upgrade as mine already sits and collects dust. The controller is super awesome tho, use it all the time for my PC.
60fpsrefugee@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Sony thinks so too, which is why they increase the controller’s price, lol.
PunchingWood@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The price increase is insane. That does not seem to scale in comparison with what you’ll get in return over a regular PS5.
So either games will start running at higher framerates on real 4K, like 60FPS and up. Or developers will get lazy and stop bothering to optimise for the older generation of PS5, which will then be an excuse to upgrade to the more expensive edition to play at 4K and/or 60FPS.
I really hope the latter won’t be a thing for the sake of both players and game development, there’s been enough unoptimised shit lately and I hope we can move forward again.
RxBrad@infosec.pub 2 months ago
That optimization part is what worries me. I still remember games like Control & Cyberpunk being basically unplayable unless you had a PS4 Pro.
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yep, people have rose tinted glasses but GTA V had a massive pop in issue on the consoles it released, the proper version was the PS4 one. Or PC.
PunchingWood@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah I’m afraid that stuff like GTA6 might run like absolute dogshit on the old PS5, because they will see the opportunity to make use of the better hardware to sell the 4K and 60FPS. No doubt even Sony will try to push this, trying to sell more of these Pros.
I do hope we will move forward, but I think money and greed will play too much of a role in this. We don’t even really need a PS5 Pro right now, looking at the current line-up of games that run fine on the old PS5, even in 4K and 60FPS, as long as developers spend the time to optimise their games instead of throwing everything on to raytracing (which I find is still in a very experimental phase).
themurphy@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Not really on topic, but AI upscaling is no joke. It’s actually very useful and saves alot processing power. Same with the extra fps, making a 30fps into a 60fps with ease.
million@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Don’t they already use FSR on the 5?
Ashtear@lemm.ee 2 months ago
FSR doesn’t use AI hardware. The original comment is overselling it a bit, but something AI-driven like DLSS does offer substantial (if slightly blurry) framerate gains.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What game would even justify that price tag lol and no disk tray.
ech@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Is there an eli5 on how “ai upscaling” is less (or even equally) technologically demanding than just putting in better hardware?
Thorry84@feddit.nl 2 months ago
The game is rendered at a lower resolution, this saves a lot of resources. This isn’t a linear thing, lowering the resolution reduces the performance needed by a lot more than you would think. Not just in processing power but also bandwidth and memory requirements. Then dedicated AI cores or even special AI scaler chips get used to upscale the image back to the requested resolution. This is a fixed cost and can be done with little power since the components are designed to do this task.
My TV for example has an AI scaler chip which is pretty nice (especially after tuning) for showing old content on a large high res screen. For games applying AI up scaling to old textures also does wonders.
Now even though this gets the AI label slapped on, this is nothing like the LMMs such as chat GPT. These are expert systems trained and designed to do exactly one thing. This is the good kind of AI that’s actually useful instead of the BS AI like LLMs. Now these systems have their limitations, but for games the trade off between details and framerate can be worth it. Especially if our bad eyes and mediocre screens wouldn’t really show the difference anyways.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
This is the good kind of AI that’s actually useful instead of the BS AI like LLMs
lol, trying to hedge against downvotes from the anti-AI crowd?
ech@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The game is rendered at a lower resolution, this saves a lot of resources.
Then dedicated AI cores or even special AI scaler chips get used to upscale the image back to the requested resolution.
I get that much. Or at least, I get that’s the intention.
This is a fixed cost and can be done with little power since the components are designed to do this task.
This us the part I struggle to believe/understand. I’m roughly aware of how resource intensive upscaling is on locally hosted models. The necessary tech/resources to do that to 4k+ in real time (120+ fps) seems at least equivalent, if not more expensive, to just rendering it that way in the first place. Are these “scaler chips” really that much more advanced/efficient?
Further questions aside, I appreciate the explanation. Thanks!
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It started as good tech to make GPUs last longer, but now is a crutch that even top notch hardware like a 4090 needs to actually achieve playable performance with ray tracing at high resolutions. And that hardware is already way overpriced, imagine the price of something that could do it natively.
ech@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Huh, I wasn’t aware that 4090s use similar tech. That sheds light on a few things. Thanks!
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
SEVEN HUNDRED US DOLLARS!
Sony costumers need to remind them of the PS3.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
IT’S RIDGE RACER! RIIIDGE RACER! Remember that one?
Powerbomb@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I don’t know if It turns out that I was stupid for not buying the original PS5 or holding out for a Pro one even from back then.
I was looking forward to this a lot because I could get the better version from day 1 and have a lot of games to play from taking and borrowing my brother’s disc games.
I guess I’ll get the XBSX for GTA VI when it comes.
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not like holding out matters now, they just raised the price in Japan for the 3rd time, second wind said the controller got 5 dollars more expensive, you can only save with used nowadays.
catalyst@lemmy.world 2 months ago
At this price I’m so glad I decided to go for a slim instead of holding out for the pro. Absolutely no way.
mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I can’t see how this is worth it for anyone. Are there even games that are pushing the current PS5?
No disc drive either.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No disc drive either.
I’m out
redy_velvet@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There are games that perform poorly, but to my understanding that’s not the hardware’s fault
Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The side-by-sides are definitely diminished returns compared to earlier gens where hardware bumps had very noticeable gains.
I am sure the performance is measurably better than the base PS4, but I don’t think it’s $200-plus-separate-disc-drive better.
I also found the game choices they used for some of these comparisons to be odd picks. Sure you have “Made for PS5” exclusives like the new Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, and Spider-Man 2, but they also heavily showcased:
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The Last of Us Part 2
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God of War: Ragnarok
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Ghost of Tsushima
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Horizon: Forbidden West
All of those are last-gen games that received PS5 enhancements. Being on a base PS5, I already feel like I am getting the “better” experience compared to the default for those games, so why upgrade?
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QubaXR@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s a pity SONY didn’t have any games to announce alongside the new console. There is nothing or there I feel like I need more power to play, and I already completed games they demoed, sometimes years ago.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This GPU bump is pretty big it’s almost a PS6. Keeping the old Zen2 CPU is disappointing though.
poshcrow@lemmy.world 2 months ago
gta 6 gets delayed… sony releases this early to sell more ps6’s ?
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I love sunny and have 2 ps5s. This thing is DOA.
lowleveldata@programming.dev 2 months ago
How good is the GPU? Is it better than my 4070ti super boi?
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 months ago
PS5 pro: 33.5 TF 4070ti super: 44 TF
All teraflops are not the same but this is a big enough delta for me to say no, your card is better.
fossphi@lemm.ee 2 months ago
4070 ti super
What? There’s cards with both
tiandsuperin the name?
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Wouldn’t it be funny if like no one bought it
Like that’s obviously not gonna happen but like wouldn’t it be funny
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I thought the same thing about Concord, and then no one did buy it, and that too was funny.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Would be funnier if only scalper bought it abs couldn’t unload them.