Submitted 2 months ago by moe90@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-cracking-down-dodging-windows-11-system-requirements/?
If you’re using Windows 11 and not having a great time with it, there are ways to make the experience more pleasant. We’ve covered 14 tweaks to make Windows 11 better and how to remove Windows 11’s junk, which is a good start toward making an OS you enjoy.
There’s another way…
Imagine having to remove a bunch of shit just so you can use your OS. smh
Luckily, there exists an OS which undoes extreme enshittification. Can’t remember the name, though …
Can’t remember the name, though
It goes by many names…
I have deciphered your message, and the answer is clear.
Step one. Install Linux Mint.
You could install a windows 10 system to replace the windows 11 system!
So Microsoft wants to force everyone to ditch their perfectly good machines so they can make more money off of selling OEM licenses.
I’m just waiting for Europe to sue their greedy asses for planned obsolescence.
I can’t tell you how many Apple devices I’ve had that have become unsupported over the years.
Like what? I’m still using my 2011 MacBook Pro, and my phone is about six years old.
I can’t update my 2011 MBP to the latest version of OSX, but it still works fantastically for everyday stuff. Phone can update to the next version of iOS.
Yeah as much as this sucks I honestly hope that Microsoft will actually take advantage of this and start moving legacy support into more specialized options.
A lot of the reason windows is so janky at times is because of the insane obsession they have with backwards compatibility.
While I do agree that a lot of the PCs that are deemed not compatible is really stupid, there are people that are trying to use Windows 11 on devices that have no business running it, so this is partially to prevent their devices from getting infected with a virus or something
You really shouldn’t believe the Corporate bad faith arguments used to justify anti-consumer practices. They are complete bullshit.
Since when is having vulnerable hardware the business of the operating system? Sure, they’re allowed to do whatever they want, but it’s stupid. It’s your system. You should be able to try to run any software you want on it and the software shouldn’t care (unless it just literally can’t work, not a software check to make it not work).
I’m on Linux only though, so I may be biased. I think I own my computer and you may not agree with that.
Why won’t they get a virus or something on Windows 10 with that same hardware?
Malware such as that imbedded in Windows 11?
“By god we have got to stop people from using Windows!”
Uh. Yes. Do that.
No problem, I’m just dodging windows.
Used market is about to have some bargains on very usable Linux machines.
Cool. I can upgrade some of my decade old machines on the cheap.
Hopefully that newer hardware is as stable as what I already have.
Nice I could use a laptop
I can play it back on ff mobile
Well this was a good way to have me actually watch the video instead of skip over the link
The thing that I don’t understand is that, if this is such a big problem for Microsoft, why not just remove the system requirements or at least make an alternative version of Windows 11 that, even if it lacks certain features, doesn’t have those requirements?
Microsoft wants people to switch to Windows 11 but a majority stay with Windows 10 because their systems don’t have what’s required and they’re either not willing to use Linux or they can’t for what ever their reason is. Making Windows 11 more accessible to Windows 10 users would fix this problem for most users but they’re not for some reason. I know they’re Microsoft and Microsoft doesn’t care about their users but they’re seemingly willing to lose a significant portion of their users over something so insignificant, which is out of character for Microsoft.
I’d guess it’s corporate circlejerk - they probably made deals with hardware manufacturers who are annoyed people are not replacing their perfectly functional systems with new ones. Windows gets pre-installed on new systems, and in exchange windows requires new things forcing people to upgrade their old systems - or be locked out of the most popular OS in the world.
This right here, the whole tpm requirement was most likely pushed from OEM’s wanting to sell new hardware.
Real reason? Because product managers are idiots.
Greedy. Don’t attribute to incompetence what can be explained by greed.
Install Linux, be done with anything from Microsoft
but it seems that the Redmond giant has decided that enough is enough.
Enough of what?
Btw, Rufus patches the iso, works anyway.
They aren’t. The article is disingenuous.
It’s not only TPM. Older chips are missing some actual security features. AMD not patching their old CPUs of their firmware bug will also become a big problem in the long run.
I doubt it, because those bugs require to already have extensive access to the victim PC. Basically, they just expand the trouble on an already compromised system. It’s bad for sure, but at that point you’re already knee deep in shit and this just adds a few buckets on top.
Not for Microsoft.
“Sorry, you’re running an unsupported, deliberately hacked version of our OS. We can’t help you.”
M$ want to become even more unpopular with private users.
Many people don’t care about privacy
Well, they won’t be able to sell as many new computers if they let people keep using their old ones.
Microsoft still makes money off the OEM licenses AFAIK. The Linux community had a whole day about this back in the 90s.
They aren’t big in selling hardware.
Doesn’t matter, they still get money for Windows licences from OEMs.
microsoft missed their vision line so they need more planned obscelance
How does that make any sense? Does Microsoft get a cut of sales for component upgrades?
Any new computer sold that has a copy of Windows preinstalled means Microsoft is getting a cut.
This question makes no sense.
Most Windows users are not technical enough to do component upgrades.
people can’t upgrade.
people see their computer isn’t supported.
people buy a new computer.
oems license windows.
Is secure boot still required? Yes?
Can’t force me to do shit Microsoft. Your own OS prevents it :)
You’re misunderstanding, they’re stopping people like you and me who don’t have those.oj their PCs from upgrading via workarounds, not preventing us from a forced upgrade.
I had to go back and reread. I really shouldn’t comment when I’m still in bed.
Good! The less PC’s that run W11 the better
Install Linux, be done with anything from Microsoft
Hey man, I think your keyboard is broken.
Every single reply you have made in this thread is just the exact same thing.
More people will be redirect to Linux, cool.
Sorry for disappoint you. But, normies don’t know what is Linux about? hell even higher than average tech-savvy people know little bit Ubuntu as a Linux.
That would be me.
Tried Ubuntu 15 years ago, but couldn’t because Nvidia driver issues, and haven’t tried again
Look, dudes, I’m bootstrapping a small business while trying to manage ADHD. I can barely get two hours of admin work done in an eight hour day. I just need things to work. I’d love to walk away from Windows but I don’t have the mental bandwidth for that shit
And even if I did, my wife and I share a gaming computer/media center. There’s nothing like having her call me in the middle of a workday because my VPN is keeping her from logging into PBS so that she can watch Grantchester. Imagine the headaches if I installed a new OS.
Much like improving my physical fitness, I have the desire, but not the will
I’m a sysadmin. We’re a Linux shop, I spend my life deep in the guts of Linux boxes, both server and desktop.
And for my daily-driver both at work and at home, I use windows.
The UI and overall UX are just better. The annoying bullshit I make a living knowing my way around, I don’t have to think about.
For actual development or backend services, of course you want a Linux box. Proper logging, proper tools, build shit, pipe it together, automate stuff and get down and technical when it breaks. Doing that on windows is absolutely hell.
But on windows, the volume control just works, I never have to delete lockfiles to get my browser to open, my desktop login doesn’t terminate if something in .profile returned nonzero, I can play every video game out there without having to fuck around, I can use native versions of real apps, I don’t have package-management dependency hell, all the pieces were designed to work with each other, and the baseline cognitive load needed to just use my computer is zero, which frees up my brain to focus on my actual work, or for playing games and fucking around on the internets.
Installation and setup of a windows OS with programs the user wants takes hours.
Installation and setup of linux with programs… Days or weeks due to some obscure thing that didn’t work and nobody seems to know about or because the “configuration” file has many options but it requires you already knowing what you want and what it does (looking at you mpv).
I’m still fiddling with mine due to minor but important problems, I can’t picture the people I know even attempting to figure out linux.
Just gotta spread the word. I got two people to switch from Windows to Linux recently. When they heard about an alternative they got very interested and jumped on the opportunity. People want an alternative, but like you say they don’t know one exists, so we need to keep spreading the word of Linux.
PS. They both are enjoying the ad free experience and don’t have any big issues or problems with Linux. Just learning pains
I installed Linux mint on my laptop the other day because of various sustained long term annoyances with Windows. Despite some minor hiccups it only took about 30 minutes. It’s been such a great experience so far.
I did the same. Windows 11 ads and one drive forced me out.
Did the same on my desktop computer two weeks ago, everything else is already on Linux (servers and laptops).
Is there a way to make my PC seemingly not support Windows 11 so the annoying update nags go away? I’ll never use that shit OS.
Disable tpm in bios
A few of my boxes have 7th gen processors. I get the nags and then it comes up and says oh sorry you’re not eligible.
As far as i know, windows 10 is still more functional, less of a resource hog (in windows terms), far FAR less telemetry and it just looks fucking nicer. It costs nothing to not upgrade, or you pay the tribute and join the linux brotherhood
You’ve got around 9 months left on Win10 supportability. Then it will move in to LTS channels only. It was incredibly well adopted so we have to believe any open vulnerabilities will be targeted quickly and relentlessly. Sadly, we will be in a 11 only world by this time next year.
I’m fine with just the security updates until 2025. I’m sure I’ll eventually be able to move on to Linux by then.
Article isn’t that great. The change is in beta, and it’s preventing the installer from accepting a switch that declares the OS to be a server product.
MS hasn’t said it’s going after any upgrades that are running out of spec hardware. This really sounds like they are just fixing an upgrade option.
I’m sorry is this the fucking draft
Are we going to war or is the author bad at writing?
lol sorry, i meant in the war sense… cracking down on “dodging” minimum requirements sounded so self-serious, like the government cracking down on draft dodgers or something.
If it’s just an installer check then people could just use the old installer versions and update afterward right? Or are they planning on stopping updates for unsupported hardware that already installed windows 11?
It’s MS. I wouldn’t be surprised if they bricked systems attempting to bypass the requirements.
My guess is one of the upcoming major updates will either refuse to install, or will try to install and fail, if you try that route.
Something like that happened with a 2006-era laptop I have with Windows 10. It ran Windows 10 fine for several years, but finally one of the big updates decided it no longer liked some of the Vista-era drivers I was using. The update would try to install, fail, roll back. And since Windows doesn’t let you turn off or disable updates, a few days later it would try again only to fail in the exact same way.
“How dare people install our OS without a DRM clipper chip”
Cant crack what you cant reach
Honestly surprised something similar isn’t the cutting edge.
Wait a second… We have repealable “ownership” of digital media all over, my mistake!
Here’s the best way you can dodge Windows 11 system requirements, and trust me… you’ll never look back. Infact, you can dodge Microsoft all together.
Thank me later. manjaro.org/products/download/x86
I’ve literally been trying to install windows 11 several times. I’ve made my PC support it, but the update just breaks and rolls back every time
When googling I see others with the same issue but no solution
Why though? This just means that Windows 11 will run on more devices? Why is so important for your device to have a TPM and Secure Boot enabled, and a supported processor? If I were Microsoft, I would put the requirements even lower or even removed them.
goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Thank god, for a second there I thought they meant “cracking down on people dodging Windows 11 by intentionally disabling TPM,” like I’ve been doing. False alarm, carry on.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That is half the reason I have it disabled on my desktop. The other half being that the BIOS updates never fixed the fTPM stuttering issues for my computer (both using the 3700X and 5800X) so the computer is unusable with it turned on.