We already have that abundance. It’s just waiting to be liberated.
is this copium or hopium or schizophrenia?
Submitted 8 months ago by i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
It’s grifting, pure and simple. All those things may be possible but Sam Altman is spewing this line of bullshit to keep the venture capital flowing into his company.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Exactly. As a SW engineer, I don’t know how far we are from an AGI exactly, but I am confident enough Altman and openAi have no idea where to even start.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 months ago
As a SW engineer
I read that and immediately thought of you working in a Star Wars hangar, fixing rebel ships
EnderMB@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As a software engineer that works in AI, the “breakthrough” we’ve made is in proving that LLM’s can perform well at scale, and that hallucinations aren’t as big a problem as initially thought. Most tech companies didn’t do what OpenAI did because hallucinations are brand-damaging, whereas OpenAI didn’t give a fuck. In the next few years, all existing AI systems will be through LLM’s, and probably as good at ChatGPT.
We might make more progress now that researchers and academics see the value in LLM’s, but my weakly held opinion is that it’s mostly surrounded by hype.
We’re nowhere near what most would call AGI, although to be blunt, I don’t think the average person on here could truly tell you what that looks like without disagreeing with AI researchers.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
That sounds like the general consensus from most SW engineers.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
In Venice he never claims that he will be the one to do these things, at least in that tweet he doesn’t claim to be the one that’s going to do those things.
I’m not sure what the line about creating new realities means. I assume he means VR and not that AI is going to give us the ability to access hyperspace or something.
mangosloth@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The current state of capitalism will ensure the second line never sees the light of day
i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
deregulated capitalism is a curse on society
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Said looking at one regulated to almost mercantilist levels.
erwan@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
We can already create enough abondance that no human starves, sleep outside or can’t affotd medical treatment. Still look at the world.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Why bother to let humans live if they are not profitable enough for the megacorps? That almost sounds like work.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 months ago
No no, they’re desperately looking for that, because gating infinite abundance away from the plebs will be amazing for quarterly profits and entertainment! Think of all the reality shows you can make by pitting the poor against themselves!
yamanii@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Abundance is already here, tons of food are destroyed and thrown out when they accidentally make too much while people are starving, there’s no money in abundance, it’s the artificial lack of supply that keeps prices high and profits soaring.
Llewellyn@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Food isn’t the only resource in the equation. Most of the resources are limited and even diminishing.
meekah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I agree but I think their point was more along the lines of “Even if we have complete abundance of everything (as in, the capabilities to produce anything in abundance), capitalists will continue to create artificial lack of supply to continue profiting off of the workers. For example, look at the food abundance we have”
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Approximately 1/3 of all food produced is wasted.
xantoxis@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The first paragraph? Can’t say I disagree.
Second paragraph? Delusional.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We already have abundance at scale; the rest is just greed and logistics
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’s enough to look at how much stuff is available in a supermarket, or in the average, home, to know we live in an age of abundance. The problem is, is that abundance is not shared, but hoarded.
We have enough food to feed the world, we have enough production for everyone in the world to have a smartphone and internet access and electricity. We can make clothes for everyone, we can home everyone. We have enough healthcare for everyone.
By an objective measure, we have abundance, we have enough. The world is just severely mismanaging our resources and the distribution of them. Because the economy doesn’t work for humans, instead humans work for the economy.
RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Cure all human disease?
lath@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Paragraphs are bodies of text. So the second paragraph in this scenario is the one where we are only a few breakthroughs away.
Donkter@lemmy.world 8 months ago
An issue with this tweet is that we already have the capacity to do a lot. We have the technology to provide healthy and diverse diets for the entire planet and fit a cities worth of farming inside a few city blocks (vertical hydroponics/aeroponics). We have the ability to create electricity in a dozen different renewable ways. We have the ability to desalinate water creating nearly infinite fresh water, we have enough square footage in the world to easily house everyone. We have stellar education systems that we could hand out to the entire world.
Why don’t we do it? Well, all these things cost money. But the issue is, there also exists staggering amounts of money across the world. The panama papers revealed just a fraction of the wealth being hoarded by just a fraction of the wealthiest people in the world (and most implicated in the panema papers weren’t even too crazy, like soccer stars and business owners). There’s exists tens to hundreds of trillions of dollars of wealth created by the world just floating around in billionaires bank accounts and in the coffers of world powers.
So it’s not an issue of abundance coming in the near future, we have it here on earth right now.
misspacfic@lemm.ee 8 months ago
exactly.
many of the mundane atrocities being committed every day are deliberate choices in service of capital rather than people.
you know, health insurance companies, etc.
Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
The thing that keeps us from living lives of abundance is not a lack of technology.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s true—for a very exclusive interpretation of “we”.
Venator@lemmy.nz 8 months ago
We’ll have all that, and escalating poverty at scales that are difficult to imagine…
Corngood@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I feel like AGI might be the furthest away of all those things.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well, I am convinced we currently have no idea how an AGI could be made. It shouldn’t be a HW issue since it is possible to have a human brain worth of computing power in a small cluster. So it could be near impossible or we may be one great shower thought away, there is no way to know.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
These people are frauds.
Toribor@corndog.social 8 months ago
This reads like Musk promising everyone that his imaginary train will be faster and cheaper than everything else.
iopq@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If we means the human race, it’s absolutely true. There’s just no mention of a timeline.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Every rich tech bro has convince themselves they are the savior of the world.
hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
Great… And and will this abundance be shared or hoarded for profit like everything else that is abundant already is?
humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Yes
Kaput@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Marketing…
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sure. Just need to get a bunch of trillions hoarded away by billionaires and throw it at R&D to solve these problems and I bet it would happen.
These rich fuckers making proclamations like that yet somehow still expecting someone else to pay for the solutions.
Diplomjodler@feddit.de 8 months ago
It’s delusional. The problems we have are not caused by lack of technology and cannot be solved by new technology.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Just put it in chatgpt I’m sure it will figure it all out
V0lD@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Healthy optimism
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Optimism, pessimism, those are never healthy. They cloud your view of the truth, and make you assume that you know what you don’t.
Wanderer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
So if a pilot is in a failing aeroplane and is coming down for a landing that he knows is almost certainly going to lead to death. Having a more optimistic view of the situation is always bad? What about the people on the plane that are either going to die instantly or live, why be scared beforehand.
One of my favourite quotes is:
“The young do not know enough to be prudent, and therefore they attempt the impossible - and achieve it, generation after generation.”
And this brings me back to optimism. How many times have you watched a sports game where it was shut out and over then in the dying minutes of the game you see a team win it and the commentators will say something like “no one thought that was possible, except for the men on the pitch and at the end of they day that’s all that matters”
I can’t believe I’m defending optimism because I’m thr least optimistic person in the world.
squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’s a cult. Altman is one of the TESCREAL devotees. He truly believes that he can build the electronic messiah.
RustyNova@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hail the Omnissiah! I mean what-
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Remember: burning an effigy a day keeps the Evil away~
deafboy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well, the bar for an electronic messiah is not that high, considering its predecessors in the cult field.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 months ago
He’s not wrong. He’s probably not going to be the guy leading the charge on any of that but he’s not wrong.
tills13@lemmy.world 8 months ago
He’s forgetting about the part where it’ll be monetized in such a way that only the rich will benefit.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
Check again. He never said it wouldn’t!
He’s not forgetting: that’s what he’s proposing!
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
You’re not exactly wrong but at the same time we all benefited from the invention of say electricity or computing. If they do invent fusion or something I’m sure we’ll get benefits. Maybe not free power but at the very least that allow us to buy it.
With access to that much power we could desalinate seawater on an industrial scale or power some of the carbon capture technologies. It will make things better.
Phegan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
He isn’t wrong, but the pathways is by taxing the absolute fuck out of billionaires
vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I think he believes what he’s saying. From his perspective AGI will be great, and a lot of people think that AI and quantum computing will have a feedback loop where AI will help us create a better quantum computer which will make a better AI and so on…
Down here in the filth though, we’re going to go through mass unemployment, rapid shifts in markets, loss of privacy due to increasingly sophisticated AI powered surveillance, and complete loss of our freedom of speech.
So, all that stuff probably will happen to people like him. Just not us.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 8 months ago
AI will help us create a better quantum computer which will make a better AI
Current “AI” is just LLMs. They don’t need some crazy quantum supercomputer. They aren’t improved by more processing power.
They need a ton of data to work at a basic level. There’s no reason to think that future programs will just get better on their own. Especially if a lot of data is now LLM generated. They have no capacity to learn on their own through research.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The irony of repeating the exact same thoughts as every thread like this contains, about how because it’s just a sophisticated “parrot” then it cannot be intelligent 😂
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I gotta find a way to filter out techbros from my feed.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Opium.
spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
they’re absolutely correct we will make all of these breakthroughs, but you dear reader? will benefit from none of them
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Only for share holders.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And who do you think will be in charge of all of these things? Lol
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Aah, the innocence of 2022… 🫠
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Endless abundance *for the trillionaires that manage to blast themselves off the rotting rock before it collapses in on itself
dinckelman@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t think most of these people realize that Earth has finite resources, and we’re already running short on some of them
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
These people jump immediately to star lifting what will give you several planets of resources and energy. It’s very “rest of the fucking owl.”
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It’s probably cocaine
zcd@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Cokeium
i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
cokaina… todays topic, slavery
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Hyping up the stock price.
Seraph@kbin.social 8 months ago
https://media1.tenor.com/m/SqHDuWXyXLUAAAAC/rick-james-cocaine.gif
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 8 months ago
youtu.be/oSPT27XyY1U