Microsoft revives aggressive Windows 11 upgrade campaign with intrusive popups for Windows 10 users

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• mipadaitu@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I would upgrade to windows 11 if it wasn’t full of ads, I had two computers accidentally upgrade after mis-clicking an upgrade prompt and the experience was bad enough I reloaded the whole computer.

  Not only that, but it doesn’t make sense to have a task bar on the bottom of an ultrawide display. I’ve been putting my taskbar on the left side for over a decade, and now you just can’t do that for some reason…

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  • PlantJam@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The task bar is my main reason for staying on 10. Forced grouping with icons only and no option to change it is such a bizarre design decision.

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    • ares35@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you can now set taskbar to ungrouped (unless full) now in win11, as of one of the recent monthly updates. still can't move the taskbar to the left side (my preference on wide screen displays), though.

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    • Madrigal@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My work machine is W11 and has options to change it. Not one of those stupid ‘home’ vs ‘pro’ version things is it?

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    • herrcaptain@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They (finally) changed this in a patch a few months ago. W11 still sucks, but at least it can now do this one thing that all the previous versions could do.

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    • stufkes@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is also my main reason for not switching and let me tell you this issue is NOT fixed. Do not upgrade to 11. You don’t have an option to use small taskbar icons, making the ungrouped tabs massive. Plus they resize themselves constantly. I use 11 at work and the only workaround as of now is third party stuff that either costs money, is a resource hog, or both.

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    • linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can change it on 2H22 with these instructions

      howtogeek.com/ungroup-taskbar-icons-windows-11/

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    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I had to use it on a work laptop briefly. It is still insane, when you run out of space it the apps then get put in this crappy overflow area.

      You know what I used to be able to do? Make the taskbar 2, or even 3 lines. No more.

      I’m staying on windows 10 for work as long as I can help it.

      The “show more” menu on right click is absolute insanity. I right click files constantly, all day.

      They’ve taken features away for seemingly no reason.

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  • Tarcion@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m so confused by the ads thing. I don’t think I’ve noticed any since upgrading to Win 11. Are they only on certain editions or something?

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    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s what confuses me. There are absolutely ads, it’s just fake installed apps. But amount of ads are exactly the same as windows 10. They’re in all the same places, same types (mostly the start menu). Shit you could say 10 has more since that awful edge desktop widget doesn’t exist by default on 11 as far as I’m aware.

      Do people just have such deeply debloated windows 10 installs that they’ve forgotten what windows 10 is actually like? Maybe it’s because it’s been 1.5 years without a major update that reinstalls all the garbage automatically?

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    • mipadaitu@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      pcmag.com/…/how-to-remove-most-annoying-ads-from-…

      check out how many settings you have to search and disable to turn off MOST of the ads in windows. It’s completely ridiculous.

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    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There aren’t more ads than 10 because MS has added those ads to 10 with each update over the years.

      Weather bug in taskbar is an ad server. You click on it and it brings up bing stories to get you to click them and see ads. The search bar now has a little daily decoration. Click it for ads. The search menu has bing news- again to bait you into clicking one and seeing an ad.

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  • DarkenLM@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have to use W11, but I use ExplorerPatcher to make it bearable.

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    • The_v@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I had to purchase new computers for my wife and son. So W11 home edition it is. $12 for for the family pack of startallback and the PC’s run as they should. It’s so stupid that I have to do it, but it clears out all the annoying shit so it’s worth the few bucks.

      I have been using classic shell/open shell since Win8 anyways. My screens look the close to the same since Win7 and I am not changing anytime soon.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The W10 bullshit eventually caused me to leave. Never even made it to 11 haha.

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  • IronKrill@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Windows 10 came with Candy Crush ads in the start menu (on my machine), it’s not any better than W11. Don’t get me wrong, I use W11 and think it sucks more overall, but W10 does the same crap.

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• charonn0@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This popped up over the weekend on my work PC. It was an emergency and I absolutely needed to get to my desktop ASAP.

  Nope. Full screen advertisement for Windows 11 demanding my immediate and undivided attention. Blocking all other functions, commands, and inputs. I must interact with this ad or else I cannot use my computer.

  Fuck. That.

  I am never installing Windows 11. I am never buying another Microsoft operating system. Specifically because of this sort of heavy-handed dark patterned bullshit. Not to mention the fact that Windows 10 is dog shit.

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  • nexussapphire@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I paid full price for Windows 10 twice, from Microsoft’s website. I believe in paying for good software but Windows 10 was anything but. After the whole forced Microsoft account thing I had very little patience and then Windows 11 dropped. I switched to Linux and never looked back.

    I understand if anyone can’t switch or disagree with my point of view, you don’t have to leave a comment.

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    • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you mean by forced Microsoft account? You can make local accounts out of the box in 10 and 11. It’s just annoying to get around.

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  • Boozilla@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel this in my bones. Can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been working on some late night or weekend work emergency when fucking Microsoft throws some random unnecessary bullshit in my path. Haven’t run into the Win 11 mandatory commercial yet. But MS is notorious for wasting our time with push notifications, Teams drama, mandatory updates, and slow ass software that glitches at the worst possible times.

    MS lost the way years ago. They forgot that software is supposed to work for us. They demand we work for their shitty software.

    “Just use Linux” indeed. Will be doing that in my retirement.

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    • JayDee@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whenever that switch to linux comes, I recommend linux mint.

      Works out of the box, the community using it seems friendly and happy to help, and can be pretty easily configured to fit with windows habits.

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It seems like every other time I interact with teams I get a “ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS FEATURE” popup that I have to close before I can do whatever it was I was trying to do. It’s annoying as fuck. Then there’s outlook fucking up my view every time I open the calendar across all my work PCs.

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  • thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel you. I wish I wasn’t supporting 3500 windows endpoints but that’s the job. Refuse to use that shit at home though except for gaming. Luckily my home windows 10 has all that dumb shit slipstreamed out. I use a Mac or iPad for most other stuff.

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    • joe_cool@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can support a Windows domain and tons of endpoints from Linux. I know. My work PC runs Arch, btw.

      xfreerdp is much better than mstsc.exe

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    • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I work at an MSP and it has made me hate Windows with a passion. I don’t even want to look at my own computer when I get home. I do almost everything I need to at home on my phone (a pixel 7) and I game on my PS5, switch, and I will be getting a Steamdeck at some point soon.

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• RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Windows 11? Ads. New outlook program? Ads. Old outlook iOS app? Now injecting ads there too.

  Ads are a cancer on the internet.

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  • reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nadella has ruined Microsoft.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you kidding? He’s made some…questionable decisions over the last couple of years, but look at where Microsoft is at today compared to when Ballmer left. It’s a much more successful, more exciting, and more open company than it was. Could you imagine Ballmer’s Microsoft releasing WSL? Or greenlighting a major faithful remaster and re-release of all 4 of the big Age of Empires games, as well as developing an entire new one? Or buying and actually being a surprisingly good steward of GitHub?

      He’s far from perfect, and all the enshittification of the last 2 or 4 years should be roundly criticised. But overall, Nadella has been a net positive for the company both financially and in terms of the company’s societal impact.

      The same can not be said for Google’s Pichai…

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    • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As a software developer: MS has been 100X better to work with under Nadella. He may not know what to do with the operating system side of things, but the .NET/Azure/etc side has never been healthier.

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    • holycrap@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you implying it was good before that?

      He did make it worse, but I don’t know about “ruined”

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• BaardFigur@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One of the main reasons many still are on Windows 10, is that 4 year old hardware is appearently too old

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  • danthehutt@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep, my computer is zippy and nice but they won’t even let me upgrade. I’m off to Linux once I’ve I finished BG3.

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You may want to try BG3 on linux, too. Might even get better performances at this point.

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    • eltimablo@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      BG3 runs more reliably on Linux for me, though my Windows install is getting old and crusty these days.

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    • Black616Angel@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why wait?

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  • UnityDevice@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Microsoft didn’t get nearly enough flack for the amount of environmental damage they will cause with that decision. A literal mountain of computers being unnecessarily replaced worldwide.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m Running the most recent kernel and Linux on a rolling release distro, on my 8 year old Ryzen, with upgraded GPU. Runs buttery smooth even with new games! Windows is a joke.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meanwhile I’ve got the latest Linux Mint running on a laptop that turns 10 years old this August.

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  • ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My hardware is closing in between 7-9 years depending on the part. Have been meaning to upgrade and convert to Linux, but for now my pc “just works”

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s a reason everyone says “Just use Limux”

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  • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I jumped onboard last weekend. Built my new computer from parts because I couldn’t find a system I liked that didn’t come with a Windows license, and I refuse to pay for a shitty OS I won’t use.

    I installed Mint have been happily gaming for just over a week now. I even upgraded my kernel when I came home for lunch one day. That’s not something you can say about Windows!

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    • elauso@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’d recommend staying with your current distro if you’re happy with it!

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that’s awesome, i’d recommend trying out EndeavorOs for your next distro

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    • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Linux gang, but I use Windows at work and do a full update (“Please wait… We’re working on things…”) weekly over lunch due to being trapped in the Windows insider program. It takes about half an hour. Longer than compiling a kernel though.

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  • DingoBilly@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Everyone says to just keep it at Windows 10 as that’s the majority of people. It’s a small group that says to just use Linux, and if you think it’s everyone it suggests you are in an echo chamber/don’t participate widely enough in various communities.

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you find a community like that then they are too tech illiterate to be taking advice from

      If you have to be on Windows then you have to upgrade

      If you can’t upgrade/want a better experience then it’s Linux

      There should be no “stay on Windows 10” group because it will be EOL in a year

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    • conti473@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well if you use a shit product you have constantly to fix because something is bothering you, you might as well change to something else.

      Your fault.

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    • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As a Windows 10 user who tried Win 11, it’s super gross. I’m hoping to get my shit together enough to convert to linux this year before Microsoft forces my hand.

      If Microsoft forces my hand it’ll probably mean a month without gaming and I’ll be a sad, sad boy.

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    • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Every time I’ve tried to upgrade Windows major versions in place, it’s been a terrible experience. And not on potatoes, either!

      From XP to Vista, everything broke. This was long enough ago that I don’t remember exactly how it broke, just that it made my computer unusable and I had to reinstall from CD. I mean, that makes sense though, right? Vista was terrible. From Vista to 7 (on a different machine), I just did a fresh install.

      I skipped 8. After that, my Windows 7 machine (a third machine now) kept begging me to upgrade to 10, so I tried it. But even though Microsoft’s own tool told me everything would work just fine, the install was absolutely trash. I was stuck at 1024x768 (on a 16:9 monitor). Performance even with no programs running was so bad—on a machine that could easily run Adobe Premiere and Photoshop simultaneously under Win7—that it took ±30 seconds to open Task Manager. Exactly zero drivers for any USB peripherals worked; I had to dig out my PS/2 keyboard to revert the install.

      At this point I must just be out of my mind, because last fall I let Windows 11 install on my Windows 10 computer (a fourth machine). The installation took several hours somehow, and when it was done wifi didn’t work. There were a few other annoyances, like stealing back defaults and reverting my Firefox default on every reboot. Being in no mood to deal with the nonsense, I switched back to Windows 10. And guess what? Wifi was still broken. Windows 11 broke network connectivity on Windows 10.

      These were all good computers, and I don’t do anything particularly odd or unusual with them.

      I’m never doing an in-place Windows upgrade again. No way, no how. Not gonna happen.

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  • InternetUser2012@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s really so much better. I’m going on a year now since I ditched windows and I have to say it’s been great and there’s nothing I miss about windows.

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  • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There is a reason these people get blocked

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• ATDA@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Slows my pc down while downloading and prepping upgrade. Attempts upgrade. Not compatible. Undoes upgrade. Bitches to upgrade the next week…

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You know who won’t do you dirty like this?

    A certain penguin knows.

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    • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have a dual boot. And the penguin works and Microsoft is still sitting around not having an update. I don’t really care. But I can’t game with out Windows. So, bleh.

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    • ATDA@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m actually transitioning. Windows for what I need it for but daily driver on mint. I think that makes the updates worse since I’m not using Windows as often.

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• Unicode13051@lemmyf.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These incessant, full-screen upgrade ads, with no way of canceling other than a small “Remind me later” tucked away in the corner, where the final straw from me switching to Linux.

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  • polle@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When this screen recently came up, i had a mini stroke because it looked like it just updated itself… Iam really sold for linux mint, but my laptop is currently my desktop and i need functional Dockingstation use and an external gpu. Which doesn’t do well on Linux :(

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• cali_ash@lemmy.wtf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess I’m lucky I just get the “System requirements not met” instead of the Win11 update option.

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  • MrNesser@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Purposely not fixing that issue

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  • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My computer is good enough to run any games I want to play, even recently released FPS types of games at reasonably high settings. Still not good enough for Win11. My weak-ass tablet, though, was upgraded straight away.

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  • ares35@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    that's probably the case with the majority of those still using win10 in 'non-enterprise', corporate managed environments. those upgrade 'offers' are quite effective at tricking people into the 'upgrade'

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• Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Windows 10 is the end of the line for me regardless of software compatibility.

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• z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s it Microsoft…keep pushing more people to use Linux. 🐧

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  • Plopp@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s working. I’m in the (looooooong) process of moving over to Linux.

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  • Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Look, no hate, but I always find these kinds of comments funny because I've been reading them for well over a decade.

    It's not going to happen, certainly not in any significant numbers.

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  • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Linux people are so annoying

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• PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  lol my reasonably good gaming pc doesn’t even meet the minimum system requirements

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  • ethanolparty@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So absurd. My i5-6600K apparently didn’t make the cut either. Sure it’s almost 10 years old now but it runs W10 just fine. Thank god for Linux Mint.

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  • trailblazer911@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can. Just make the installation USB using Rufus. Rufus allows to configure the Windows 11 iso to override minimum requirements. Almost all Windows 10 drivers work with Windows 11 too. I’m running Windows 11 on an ancient 1st Gen i7 Laptop with 6GB Memory and an NVIDIA GT 425M. Works better than Windows 10.

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• DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Jokes on them, I disabled by TPM chip and I’m now incompatible. Fuck W11

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  • kylian0087@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some regesit tweaks can bypass it. But yeah

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• Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So. If my PC cannot be upgraded because of your bullshit requirements, can you leave me alone please.

  Also in win 11… if I have an office subscription activated in the OS can you please not throw ads for office 365 then.

  It’s nonsense.

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  • ares35@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i just set up a new one the 'right' (according to microsoft) way; allowing it on the network and to link to msa right off the bat, during oobe. sure you 'installed' the office (had 365 on that msa), there were full screen ads more space and for xbox whatever-the-fuck-that-was during 'first boot'.

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  • DJDarren@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m a Mac user. I like using Macs, and I like using macOS. Apple are just as bad as MS for this shit.

    I have an old MacBook Pro, as well as a pair of older minis. All three were left behind by macOS a few years ago, but if they weren’t all running Sonoma through OpenCore, they’d have an update in the App Store to upgrade to a new OS that Apple won’t let them run.

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• HjFUN@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My $2000 PC built a year before its release with no TPM will beg to differ.

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• AMillionMonkeys@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had to update my BIOS a while ago and it set TPM back to disabled as default. Voila. No Windows 11 prompts because, as far as it can tell, I do not meet the requirements.

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• jenny_ball@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  what was that nice app that would block Windows 10 upgrades?

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• ElcaineVolta@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  got a book on Linux from the library this week, and I've been speaking with a friend who runs Linux full time on his system. looking to make the switch within the next few week; absolutely done with windows, personally.

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• nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Say what you will about Apple but I don't have to put up with this insane shit at least on their computers.

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• BurnSquirrel@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Every time I see people complain about this while I’m running PopOS …npr.org/…/sip_200-8cd52659abd57bb28c4d7bd3797c58…

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• not_again@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Windows is like the corner prostitute: pay some money, usually get what you want although not the best, occasionally get some horrible disease

  Linux is like the sweet SO: has it’s quirks but you love them for it. let’s you grow in your skills but that can be challenging at times. Surprises you in good and bad ways.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Drop requirements for TPM and secure boot then.

  That shit is just Xbone Kinect all over again.

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• TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I finally swapped to Linux and it’s been easier than I expected. Don’t know if I’ll ever go back to only windows.

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• JoeKrogan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Shit tier os

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can’t “upgrade” windows, only downgrade it with patches and new versions that make your computer slower and more annoying.

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• TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve had TPM disabled in the BIOS since I got this machine (which is getting pretty long in the tooth, granted). Can’t upgrade, doesn’t bug me about it.

  Next computer will be the latest OS at the time, but I get to decide when that is.

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• NaoPb@eviltoast.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My hardware couldn’t run Windows 11 anyway. But if it could, I still would’ve installed Linux.

  I’m done needing 10 different tweaking programs before Windows works the way I want it to. I don’t want an OS that is working against my workflow.

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• nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hope they push so hard to a point that finally most of users adopt Linux and developers focus more in Linux

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• Ilikeprivacy@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My machine can’t handle that upgrade and I’ve not gotten any popups, thankfully.

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• TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Off topic, why does clicking keep windows 10 trigger the admin pop up? What does it need permission to do? It ain’t for removing the ad because I still get it most boots

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• whalebiologist@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I want to get the microsoft monkey off my back, can anyone point me to a guide or give me steps to making the switch?

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