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America Is Missing Out on the Best Electric Cars: Whatever kind of EV you might want, chances are China has it.

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Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨boem@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/01/electric-cars-cheaper-china-than-america/677290/

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  • halfwaythere@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Probably not a well received opinion but the amount of China promoting drivel that goes on here in lemmy is astounding.

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    • slaacaa@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Agree. Tankies are on the loose, and not just on their own servers

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    • PullUpCircuit@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Which is the propaganda? The posts touting Chinese achievements in tech, or the posts saying to beware of the Chinese milestones?

      Both.

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      • halfwaythere@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mostly agree with your statement and we should be aware of both.

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    • player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Eh, I’ve seen all these same headlines on Hacker News. China is a rapidly developing country with a lot more people, manufacturing, advancements, and news than many other countries so it makes sense that there would be a lot of news coming out of it.

      I just visited China for the first time during a business trip a few weeks ago and as an American I was impressed. The US media tries so hard to present only the negative that a lot of Americans aren’t even aware of all the achievements they’ve accomplished.

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    • nepali@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They were just complaining about how much pro-China stuff is posted here and you’re replying with this lol

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  • CyberDine@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Like most Chinese products I wouldn’t trust their quality or their customer support, and would expect the thing to spy on me 24/7.

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    • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      About the privacy issues…

      …mozilla.org/…/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-pr…

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      • pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I plan to rip out the power to internet in any future car I get. Cars shouldn’t have to connect to the internet

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    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You do realise that anything made in the USA or even sold to be used in the western world has the CIA sucking it all up.

      Like sure China are gonna spy but let’s not pretend the USA, UK, Australia, and Israel ain’t spying on us all.

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      • BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Exactly…

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    • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So, basically no different than we already have…

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      • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So why hail them as some revolutionary?

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    • maness300@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In my experience, Chinese products are way better and more affordable than American ones.

      Buying American is just a scam to fool people with more money than sense.

      Mark Twain was right.

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      • hightrix@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You must not use Amazon.

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      • ramenshaman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In my experience, you’re wrong.

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      • BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I wonder if the MFs who complain about Chinese stuff really thought their phone is made in Finland… LMAO…

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    • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Ora Funky Cat had an issue where it would not terminate charging consistently before unlocking the charging cable, leading to customers being greeted by a loud bang when disconnecting the cable.

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      • T156@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        On the bright side, if they weren’t completely awake before, they would be afterwards.

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  • kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Another day, another CCP shill post. Tomorrow you’ll tell us about their beautiful human rights handling I hope.

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    • Inui@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Stop talking to strawmen plz

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    • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This just isn’t a CCP shill post. Western and Korean companies simply refuse to sell an EV that isn’t a luxury car, and Japanese companies seem to be trying to get out of making EVs period. The only one I could name, Chevy Bolt, got the axe last year.

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    • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or maybe the West is just not the be all end all in all aspects of society?

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    • maness300@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Eh, it’s more the dumbing-down of America starting to take effect.

      It’s always funny seeing you people comment almost instinctively on anything that’s positive about china.

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      • kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m French, try again

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    • BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Everything fine at home? Do you really believe the west it’s far better at human rights? Really?

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      • kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes. Say something that Xi doesnt like ? Staright to jail/brainwash camp. Say something about Biden being senile ? Laughs on Twitter. Tell me which is worse.

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  • slaacaa@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The amount of Chinese propaganda around EVs is astounding

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    • Inui@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        www.theautopian.com/author/jtorchinsky/

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  • Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want a car without spyware.

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    • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even American cats have spyware. Not sure what your choice is there. At this point, I’ll settle for cars with physical buttons for climate and other commonly used controls.

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      • Narauko@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Even American cats have spyware.

        And they have since the 1960’s: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty

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  • ramenshaman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Whatever kind of EV you might want, chances are China has it.”

    proceeds to describe a car that’s slower than my e-bike

    Kinda curious what the other options are, I got hit with a paywall.

    I want an Aptera. Any solar cars available in China? A Telo would be sweet but they’re super early on.

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want a small, fun roadster. Or a hot hatch. Or a sport wagon. And I didn't see one listed.

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    • Kanzar@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      An e-civic would be phenomenal…

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      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tweak the motors to simulate vtech!

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    • Plopp@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If someone makes an electric equivalent to the Pontiac Fiero I’m getting a drivers license. Small, cheap, fun.

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      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hell yeah. Or an MR2. Or an S2000.

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    • SpeakinTelnet@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A Mitsubishi Legnum Electric would be an instant buy for me.

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  • Xatix@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I‘m just waiting on the release of the german X-Bus. A modular 600kg vehicle that counts as a quad and can be used as a bus/transporter/pickup/camper and recharges 30-50km of range a day through solar energy on the roof for under 20k€ is exactly what I want from an EV. I don’t need a 50k price tag with shiny smart features.

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    • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve just been looking at those. I can’t help but think of the old adage, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

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      • weew@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it basically falls under the vehicle classification of tricycles and golf carts, so the safety standards are, shall we say, more lenient

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    • weew@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would prefer better crashworthiness though

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      • Xatix@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I hope they do better than expected, sadly the lower standards also the downside of their classification. But I think they commited to doing crash tests and also build in ESP by defaultc so at least the basics will be there.

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  • lemmyingly@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve recently driven a brand new 2023/2024 Maxus T90EV. It had 15 miles on the clock when I drove it. These are the problems I experienced with it and these aren’t even touching on my preferences like I thought the seats were uncomfortable. So I doubt China EVs are going to take over, not in 2024 at least.

    • Auto lights didn’t work
    • Auto wipers didn’t work
    • Intermittent wipers didn’t work
    • Rear view camera was really poor quality
    • Infotainment system crashed, where I had to walk away from the vehicle with it still in its crashed state. At some point it finally turned off and worked again on the next drive
    • Bluetooth audio kept crashing
    • Infotainment system is really basic
    • Shudders when driving on the factory set speed limiter
    • No driving aids like cruise control or driver defined speed limiter
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    • maness300@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel bad for everyone who takes your word at face value.

      Anyone can type anything on the internet. Just keep that in mind, folks.

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      • lemmyingly@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s my honest review. Why do you speak negatively towards me?

        Proof: www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCi1q-m2TFk

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      • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Kind of a dumbass comment there my guy

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      • Nommer@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yikes

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  • cloudless@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want the kind of EV that’s made in Japan.

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    • rndll@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A Gundam then. That will be $725M for the base model without Beam Saber and shield. Would you like to pay in cash or card?

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      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What if I steal Fort Knox on my test drive? Will that work?

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    • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mmm... mag lev...

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    • nyandere@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’ll be waiting a while. They’re still trying to figure out how to replace fax machines.

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      • Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So is the rest of the world.

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      • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Cut them som slack they just recently made progress in removing the floppy as an essential peice of technology for their citizens

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  • AtmaJnana@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Best”?

    [X] Doubt

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  • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do they have an electric truck that isn’t the size of a small house?

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    • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Straight up if I could get an electric Kei truck I’d be over the moon

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    • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      https://youtu.be/yRG0Wai4sR0?si=QlX6MEx5KMlv27jS

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      • Cylusthevirus@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well ... then 1.5k for the good battery and other options and like ... another 5k for shipping related expenses. That blew my mind how expensive it was to import.

        And you get a truck 3 dudes can pull backwards with a top speed of like 36mph. It's basically a very robust power wheels.

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  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I went to one of the links and some of their cars had a 404 error, so I’m guessing that’s what their relatability and warranty would be like in the states.

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  • buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want a nice cheap basic car without all the nonsense, and 250 miles of range plus battery swap. Neta V fits the bill

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  • BigPotato@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would like an electric 2004 Dodge Neon…

    Does China have that? Not like in build quality, I know they’re trash, just that exact car.

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    • max@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Though not Chinese, there are companies nowadays offering conversion kits for older, ICE cars. Electric Twingo, here I come!

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      • buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s already coming down the Pike

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    • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Considering how much respect China has for western intellectual property... probably. Somewhere.

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  • Hypx@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It's the result of massive subsidies. When they stop, this market will crash like a house of cards.

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    • blazera@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those bastards, subsidizing emissions reducing technologies.

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      • Hypx@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not really. It's mainly about gaining market dominance on a technology they think is the future. They'll build them right next to the massive coal plant alongside a million other things they're subsidizing.

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  • trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is a ridiculous propagandist article.

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  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They also have fields of decaying vehicles that were built solely to take advantage of the subsidies

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  • ivanafterall@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want a free one that prints money.

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  • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    BYD would eat the market alive if they sold their EVs here solely on price.

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  • ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a professional car reviewer, I couldn’t travel to test-drive interesting cars during the early pandemic, so I did the next best thing: went to the website Alibaba, and bought a Changli. After I paid $2,000 for shipping and customs, the car arrived at my doorstep months later in a massive cardboard box.

    But if you’re hoping that you might be able to buy these cars like you do so many other Chinese-made gadgets, keep dreaming.

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  • meliodas_100@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lmao.

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  • blazera@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want a top speed of 50, 100 mile range, single seater, and a price tag to match

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  • Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It is fascinating to read assessments of the new Chinese industry based upon comparison to lowest budget small enterprise items bought 5-10 years ago. Wasn’t this originally the same said of Japanese watches and cars? Tesla has zero long tern reliability data and lots of concerns about their failures to step up to repair faults. With electric cars, everyone is at the same point for development, except the Chinese, who have been at it longest

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  • nix@merv.news ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Electric kei trucks?

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  • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want an Opener Blackfly

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  • Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t want any EV

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  • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Argo Buggy 2379?

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  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Batmobile EV?

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  • sandayle@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can’t read. It says you need an account.

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