Look at this verification Image
Well, it looks like verification photos might be useless now.
Submitted 1 year ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/b0707c37-085b-4f87-ac3a-3a021d33c8bc.jpeg
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hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
PopShark@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Every night it even makes me legitimize
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ha perfect!
cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is that Chad Kroger from Nickelback?
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“look at this photograph” meme is based on nicklback song yes
GiveOver@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Is that Joey with something on his head?
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Due to having so many people trying to impersonate me on the internet, I’ve become somewhat of a expert on verification pictures.
You can still easily tell that this is fake because if you look closely, the details, especially the background clutter, is utterly nonsensical.
- The object over her right shoulder (your left), for example, looks like if someone blended a webcam with a TV with a nightstand.
- Over her left shoulder (your right), her chair is only on that one side and it blends into the counter in the background.
- Is it a table lamp or a wall mounted light?
- The doorframe in background behind her head is not even aligned.
- Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.
- Her wispy hairstrands. Real hair don’t appear out of thin air in loops.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
The point isn’t that you can spot it.
The point is that the automated system can’t spot it.
Or are you telling me there is a person looking at every verification photo, and if they did they would thoroughly scan the photo for imperfections?
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The idea of using a picture upload for automated verification is completely unviable. A much more commonly used system would be something like telling you to perform a random gesture on camera on the spot, like “turn your head slowly” or “open your mouth slowly” which would be trivial for a human to perform but near impossible for AI generators.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
More than that - these systems will eventually figure out how to not bitch the background so obviously. Then what? As others have said, we could switch to verification videos. That will be an extra year or two.
oce@jlai.lu 1 year ago
I think so. I don’t think there would be more than a few dozens of verification to do every day, with a dozen of mods, it seems doable. It’s not like millions of users are asking for verification every day.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Margot Robbie
Due to having so many people trying to impersonate me on the internet
Uh huh.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s esteemed Academy Award nominated verification picture expert/character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Now watch me win my Golden Globe tonight. (Come on, Lemmy meme magic, don’t fail me…)
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Due to so many people trying to impersonate me on the Internet
Yeah see, now I am not really sure if you’re the real Margot Robbie.
Could you send me a verification picture?
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But then how will I astroturf (I mean, organically market) my current and future movies, like Golden Globe winning summer blockbuster, Barbie, now available on Blu-Ray and select streaming services, here if I get verified?
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
There’s already an AI generated one in this post (you didn’t specify that it be her or legitimate).
Aganim@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.
Shit, are you telling me that every time I see myself in the mirror I’m actually looking at a string of AI generated images, generated in real-time? The matrix is real. 😱
Yes, my clavicles are actually very asymmetric. ☹️
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What I meant is that her right clavicle (your left) is about an inch higher than her left.
I could be wrong, of course, but I imagine if that condition actually exists, then it would be extremely painful.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 year ago
every time I’d seen this photo, I only focused on the subject in the foreground, if I were the one verifying that the person in the photo is real, I’d have fallen for it. To me, the subject is entirely convincing. the issues you mentioned about the clavicles and hair, i think kind of make it a bit more convincing. Nobody is completely symmetrical for one, so seeing something like that, while not common, wouldn’t be necessarily uncommon. The hair, to me, just looks like normal person hair. sometimes hair do be like that.
Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Dude same, before I even read anything I was thinking ‘that’s a cute girl I didn’t know they started doing verifications on lemmy’ then I read and saw the whole hullabaloo.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I’m not seeing the levitating hair
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Me neither. There’s clearly more pictures that aren’t included here, so maybe on one of those?
The odd thing about the hair in that picture to me is that on the left side of the photo, there’s one piece that seems to go on a nearly 90 degree bend for seemingly no reason, mid air. I don’t generally see hair get… Kinked like that. I suppose it’s not outside the realm of possibility, but it’s odd at least.
The rest of the hair seems fine to me, but I’m no expert.
I will note however that the object(s) in the background on the left side of the photo look like a gigantic (novelty sized) point and shoot camera from the 90’s. The box on top is the viewfinder and there’s the impression of a circle below that which would be the lens.
Just makes me giggle at the thought of such a large disposable camera.
sukhmel@programming.dev 1 year ago
Didn’t get the 5^th point, there’s only one clavicle visible, am I missing something?
Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Even so clavicles can be asymmetrical due to previous injury. We are pretty asymmetrical overall if you look closely enough.
MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Wow, even after reading your comment, I don’t think I would be able to recognise these.
Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
An easy ‘solution’ to fix the background is to just use a mild blurring tool. They’re verifying you not your house, it wouldn’t be sus to just have a mild messy blur around you.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The bokeh effect is surprisingly hard to fake, actually, because it has to do with the physical properties of the camera lens. I think with a light Gaussian blur it would be even less convincing.
ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The “holes” on her cheeks are easy to miss but seriously unsettling close up. They’re not like freckles or blackheads but more like what termite tunnels look like in wood.
AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah. They just look like big pores. There are a few giveaways here that it’s AI generated, but the pores aren’t one of them
Coasting0942@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I’m pretty sure we can just switch to a verification video chat which will buy us a year.
thallamabond@lemmy.world 1 year ago
One year? I’m guessing six months, what a time to be alive!?!
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
two more papers down the line!
oce@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Nope, 1 month ago: humanaigc.github.io/animate-anyone/…/demo11.mp4
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think ai can already do videos with people in them. Not without it looking completely natural though so there will be some discrepancies.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
AI video still looks like fever dreams. The AI can’t keep consistent details, specially in the background, from frame to frame. There’s always parts that morph and look like conjured up by Van Gogh during a maniacal delirium. Maybe in a couple of years and with some human grooming in the middle.
Coasting0942@reddthat.com 1 year ago
It’s purpose is also to reduce the chances.
If somebody is going to go to all the trouble of fooling a human, they probably aren’t going to just start spamming random pictures on the community for an instant moderator ban.
Mango@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not in real time with responsive replies.
HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
At some point the only way to verify someone will be to do what DS9 did to rule out changelings: Cut them and see if they bleed.
The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 1 year ago
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Don’t worry, companies like 23andMe and Ancestry have been banking DNA records, so mimicking blood won’t be too hard, either.
ryper@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I think that stopped working as of Picard season 3.
HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Wait really? Haven’t seen Picard, what happened?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The Thing migrated to Star Trek?
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Ye, good thing I already have spychecking as a persistent habit!
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Pyro has entered the chat.
yamanii@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can confirm, I made some random korean dude on dall-e to send to Instagram after it threatened to close my fake account, and it passed.
Liz@midwest.social 1 year ago
Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The eyes are in the exact same spot in every photo
nepenthes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s gotten a lot better with teeth. Last I looked at that site they were very misaligned. It was very Uncanny Valley.
Fapp@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would they require a photo? What the heck?
cybersandwich@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hahaha, those jerks!
Liz@midwest.social 1 year ago
xantoxis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This actually gives me an idea. I’ve often wished I could share photos of myself on social media incidentally, to show things that I’m doing or making or whatever. But I don’t want to show my face.
I could use this to make a version of my face that’s close but not actually recognizable to anyone who knows me, and then patch that into the photos I want to post.
UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Ooooh an actually interesting use of ai: preserving anonymity
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This is making me think of A Scanner Darkly. Check out the movie if you haven’t .
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What am I looking at here?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Once again everyone on the internet is a cute girl if the want to be.
Or a cute cat.
Or Elvis.
wick@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I can finally realise my dream of commenting on r/blackpeopletwitter
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Isn’t there a trick where you can ask someone to do a specific hand gesture to get photos verified. That’ll still work especially because AI makes fingers look wonky
psmgx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Very rapidly the basis of truth in any discussion is going to get eroded.
shasta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
They were always useless
qaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s why you need a video with movement. AI still can’t do video right.
GTKashi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Never trust your eyes or ears again in this modern digital hellscape! youtube.com/shorts/55hr7Tx_7So?si=db5hROJWYjdQRMT…
Willer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
AI pictures are like reverse uncanny-valley: They feel right, but you will shit brix upon further inspection.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
My discord friends had some easy ways to defeat this.
You could require multiple photos; it’s pretty hard to get AI to consistently generate photos that are 100% perfect. There would bound to be things wrong with trying to get AI to generate multiple photos of the same person who does not actually exist.
Another idea was to make it a short video instead of a still photo. For now, at least, AI absolutely sucks balls at making video.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I am totally not 𝖺 𝗋𝗈𝖻𝗈𝗍.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
And now I have some unproper thoughts about my mom, thank you.
nifty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe it should just be a default policy to purposely alter the people in NSFW content that’s not associated with a professional who actively claims credit for that content. It’s all the same for the NSFW punters if the people in the material are unknown, but at least this way nonconsensual content is altered to protect someone’s privacy.
peyotecosmico@programming.dev 1 year ago
you should ask to remove the chopsticks
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thank goodness we can now use AI to do something that could already easily be done by taking a picture off someones social media.
nova_ayashi@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I don’t know if I just have really good eyes for a 38 year old, but I can tell at first glance, within seconds, that this photo is AI generated. It’s all about the lack of humanity in the subject’s eyes
TheControlled@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ooo what’s her name op? /s
AnxiousDater101@lemmy.world 1 year ago
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
time for the Voight-Kampff test to become a reality
Turun@feddit.de 1 year ago
Op, link please. I only found this:
RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I never understood how they were useful in the first place. But that’s kind of beside the point. I assume this is referencing AI, but due to the fact that you’ve only posted one photo out of apparently four, I don’t really have any idea what you’re posting about.
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The point of verification photos is to ensure that nsfw subreddits are only posting with consent. Many posts were just random nudes someone found, in which the subject was not ok with having them posted.
The verification photos show an intention to upload to the sub. A former partner wanting to upload revenge porn would not have access to a verification photo. They often require the paper be crumpled to make it infeasible to photoshop.
If an AI can generate a photorealistic verification picture, it cannot be used to verify anything.
RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I didn’t realize the originated with verifying nsfw content. I’d only ever seen them in otherwise text-based contexts. It seemed to me the person in the photo didn’t necessarily represent the account owner just because they were holding up a piece of paper showing the username. But if you’re matching the verification against other photos, that makes more sense.
oce@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Was it really that hard to Photoshop enough to bypass mods that are not experts at photo forensic?
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
On a side note, they are also used all the time for online selling and trading, as a means to verify that the seller is a real person who is in fact in possession of the object they wish to sell.
trolololol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How does traditional - as in before AI - photo verification knows the image was not manipulated? In this post the paper is super flat, and I’ve seen many others.
The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 1 year ago
I found this singular screenshot floating around elsewhere, but yes r/stablediffusion is for AI images.
ysjet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Pretty sure it started because nsfw subreddit mods realized they demand naked pictures of women that nobody else had access to and it made their little mod become a big mod.
chaogomu@kbin.social 1 year ago
Verification posts go back further than Reddit.
They were used extensively on 4chan, because they were the only way to prove that a person posting was in fact that person.and yes, it was mostly people posting nudes, but it was more that they wanted credit.
The reason it carried on to Reddit was because people were using the accounts to advertise patreon and onlyfans, and mods mostly wanted the people making money off the pictures to be the people who took those pictures.
Also it was useful for AMA posts and other such where a celebrity was involved.
hansl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“No no it’s not about consent it’s about someone being horny” is such a bad take… and bad taste.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I had some trouble figuring out what exactly was going on as well, but the Stable Diffusion subreddit gave away that it was at least AI related, as that’s one of the popular AI programs. It wasn’t until I saw the tag though, that I really understood - Workflow Included. Meaning that the person included the steps they used to create the photo in question. Which means that the person in the photo was created using the AI program and is fake.
The implications of this sort of stuff are massive too. How long until people are using AI to generate incriminating evidence to get people arrested on false charges, or the opposite - creating false evidence to get away with murder.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you look close her freckles are smeared and her background furniture is abstract.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Her freckles are smeared and her background furniture is abstract.