Look at this verification Image
Well, it looks like verification photos might be useless now.
Submitted 10 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/b0707c37-085b-4f87-ac3a-3a021d33c8bc.jpeg
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hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
PopShark@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Every night it even makes me legitimize
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Ha perfect!
cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Is that Chad Kroger from Nickelback?
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 10 months ago
“look at this photograph” meme is based on nicklback song yes
GiveOver@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Is that Joey with something on his head?
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Due to having so many people trying to impersonate me on the internet, I’ve become somewhat of a expert on verification pictures.
You can still easily tell that this is fake because if you look closely, the details, especially the background clutter, is utterly nonsensical.
- The object over her right shoulder (your left), for example, looks like if someone blended a webcam with a TV with a nightstand.
- Over her left shoulder (your right), her chair is only on that one side and it blends into the counter in the background.
- Is it a table lamp or a wall mounted light?
- The doorframe in background behind her head is not even aligned.
- Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.
- Her wispy hairstrands. Real hair don’t appear out of thin air in loops.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
The point isn’t that you can spot it.
The point is that the automated system can’t spot it.
Or are you telling me there is a person looking at every verification photo, and if they did they would thoroughly scan the photo for imperfections?
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The idea of using a picture upload for automated verification is completely unviable. A much more commonly used system would be something like telling you to perform a random gesture on camera on the spot, like “turn your head slowly” or “open your mouth slowly” which would be trivial for a human to perform but near impossible for AI generators.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
More than that - these systems will eventually figure out how to not bitch the background so obviously. Then what? As others have said, we could switch to verification videos. That will be an extra year or two.
oce@jlai.lu 10 months ago
I think so. I don’t think there would be more than a few dozens of verification to do every day, with a dozen of mods, it seems doable. It’s not like millions of users are asking for verification every day.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Margot Robbie
Due to having so many people trying to impersonate me on the internet
Uh huh.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s esteemed Academy Award nominated verification picture expert/character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Now watch me win my Golden Globe tonight. (Come on, Lemmy meme magic, don’t fail me…)
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Due to so many people trying to impersonate me on the Internet
Yeah see, now I am not really sure if you’re the real Margot Robbie.
Could you send me a verification picture?
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But then how will I astroturf (I mean, organically market) my current and future movies, like Golden Globe winning summer blockbuster, Barbie, now available on Blu-Ray and select streaming services, here if I get verified?
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
There’s already an AI generated one in this post (you didn’t specify that it be her or legitimate).
Aganim@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.
Shit, are you telling me that every time I see myself in the mirror I’m actually looking at a string of AI generated images, generated in real-time? The matrix is real. 😱
Yes, my clavicles are actually very asymmetric. ☹️
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What I meant is that her right clavicle (your left) is about an inch higher than her left.
I could be wrong, of course, but I imagine if that condition actually exists, then it would be extremely painful.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 10 months ago
every time I’d seen this photo, I only focused on the subject in the foreground, if I were the one verifying that the person in the photo is real, I’d have fallen for it. To me, the subject is entirely convincing. the issues you mentioned about the clavicles and hair, i think kind of make it a bit more convincing. Nobody is completely symmetrical for one, so seeing something like that, while not common, wouldn’t be necessarily uncommon. The hair, to me, just looks like normal person hair. sometimes hair do be like that.
Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Dude same, before I even read anything I was thinking ‘that’s a cute girl I didn’t know they started doing verifications on lemmy’ then I read and saw the whole hullabaloo.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
I’m not seeing the levitating hair
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Me neither. There’s clearly more pictures that aren’t included here, so maybe on one of those?
The odd thing about the hair in that picture to me is that on the left side of the photo, there’s one piece that seems to go on a nearly 90 degree bend for seemingly no reason, mid air. I don’t generally see hair get… Kinked like that. I suppose it’s not outside the realm of possibility, but it’s odd at least.
The rest of the hair seems fine to me, but I’m no expert.
I will note however that the object(s) in the background on the left side of the photo look like a gigantic (novelty sized) point and shoot camera from the 90’s. The box on top is the viewfinder and there’s the impression of a circle below that which would be the lens.
Just makes me giggle at the thought of such a large disposable camera.
sukhmel@programming.dev 10 months ago
Didn’t get the 5^th point, there’s only one clavicle visible, am I missing something?
Bohurt@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Even so clavicles can be asymmetrical due to previous injury. We are pretty asymmetrical overall if you look closely enough.
MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.one 10 months ago
Wow, even after reading your comment, I don’t think I would be able to recognise these.
Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
An easy ‘solution’ to fix the background is to just use a mild blurring tool. They’re verifying you not your house, it wouldn’t be sus to just have a mild messy blur around you.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The bokeh effect is surprisingly hard to fake, actually, because it has to do with the physical properties of the camera lens. I think with a light Gaussian blur it would be even less convincing.
ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The “holes” on her cheeks are easy to miss but seriously unsettling close up. They’re not like freckles or blackheads but more like what termite tunnels look like in wood.
AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Nah. They just look like big pores. There are a few giveaways here that it’s AI generated, but the pores aren’t one of them
Coasting0942@reddthat.com 10 months ago
I’m pretty sure we can just switch to a verification video chat which will buy us a year.
thallamabond@lemmy.world 10 months ago
One year? I’m guessing six months, what a time to be alive!?!
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
two more papers down the line!
oce@jlai.lu 10 months ago
Nope, 1 month ago: humanaigc.github.io/animate-anyone/…/demo11.mp4
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I think ai can already do videos with people in them. Not without it looking completely natural though so there will be some discrepancies.
dustyData@lemmy.world 10 months ago
AI video still looks like fever dreams. The AI can’t keep consistent details, specially in the background, from frame to frame. There’s always parts that morph and look like conjured up by Van Gogh during a maniacal delirium. Maybe in a couple of years and with some human grooming in the middle.
Coasting0942@reddthat.com 10 months ago
It’s purpose is also to reduce the chances.
If somebody is going to go to all the trouble of fooling a human, they probably aren’t going to just start spamming random pictures on the community for an instant moderator ban.
Mango@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Not in real time with responsive replies.
HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
At some point the only way to verify someone will be to do what DS9 did to rule out changelings: Cut them and see if they bleed.
The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 10 months ago
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Don’t worry, companies like 23andMe and Ancestry have been banking DNA records, so mimicking blood won’t be too hard, either.
ryper@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I think that stopped working as of Picard season 3.
HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Wait really? Haven’t seen Picard, what happened?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
The Thing migrated to Star Trek?
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Ye, good thing I already have spychecking as a persistent habit!
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Pyro has entered the chat.
yamanii@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Can confirm, I made some random korean dude on dall-e to send to Instagram after it threatened to close my fake account, and it passed.
Liz@midwest.social 10 months ago
Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The eyes are in the exact same spot in every photo
nepenthes@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s gotten a lot better with teeth. Last I looked at that site they were very misaligned. It was very Uncanny Valley.
Fapp@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Why would they require a photo? What the heck?
cybersandwich@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Hahaha, those jerks!
Liz@midwest.social 10 months ago
xantoxis@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This actually gives me an idea. I’ve often wished I could share photos of myself on social media incidentally, to show things that I’m doing or making or whatever. But I don’t want to show my face.
I could use this to make a version of my face that’s close but not actually recognizable to anyone who knows me, and then patch that into the photos I want to post.
UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Ooooh an actually interesting use of ai: preserving anonymity
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 10 months ago
This is making me think of A Scanner Darkly. Check out the movie if you haven’t .
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What am I looking at here?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Once again everyone on the internet is a cute girl if the want to be.
Or a cute cat.
Or Elvis.
wick@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I can finally realise my dream of commenting on r/blackpeopletwitter
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Isn’t there a trick where you can ask someone to do a specific hand gesture to get photos verified. That’ll still work especially because AI makes fingers look wonky
psmgx@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Very rapidly the basis of truth in any discussion is going to get eroded.
shasta@lemm.ee 10 months ago
They were always useless
qaz@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s why you need a video with movement. AI still can’t do video right.
GTKashi@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Never trust your eyes or ears again in this modern digital hellscape! youtube.com/shorts/55hr7Tx_7So?si=db5hROJWYjdQRMT…
Willer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
AI pictures are like reverse uncanny-valley: They feel right, but you will shit brix upon further inspection.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 months ago
My discord friends had some easy ways to defeat this.
You could require multiple photos; it’s pretty hard to get AI to consistently generate photos that are 100% perfect. There would bound to be things wrong with trying to get AI to generate multiple photos of the same person who does not actually exist.
Another idea was to make it a short video instead of a still photo. For now, at least, AI absolutely sucks balls at making video.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
I am totally not 𝖺 𝗋𝗈𝖻𝗈𝗍.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
And now I have some unproper thoughts about my mom, thank you.
nifty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Maybe it should just be a default policy to purposely alter the people in NSFW content that’s not associated with a professional who actively claims credit for that content. It’s all the same for the NSFW punters if the people in the material are unknown, but at least this way nonconsensual content is altered to protect someone’s privacy.
peyotecosmico@programming.dev 10 months ago
you should ask to remove the chopsticks
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Thank goodness we can now use AI to do something that could already easily be done by taking a picture off someones social media.
nova_ayashi@reddthat.com 10 months ago
I don’t know if I just have really good eyes for a 38 year old, but I can tell at first glance, within seconds, that this photo is AI generated. It’s all about the lack of humanity in the subject’s eyes
TheControlled@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Ooo what’s her name op? /s
AnxiousDater101@lemmy.world 10 months ago
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
time for the Voight-Kampff test to become a reality
Turun@feddit.de 10 months ago
Op, link please. I only found this:
RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I never understood how they were useful in the first place. But that’s kind of beside the point. I assume this is referencing AI, but due to the fact that you’ve only posted one photo out of apparently four, I don’t really have any idea what you’re posting about.
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The point of verification photos is to ensure that nsfw subreddits are only posting with consent. Many posts were just random nudes someone found, in which the subject was not ok with having them posted.
The verification photos show an intention to upload to the sub. A former partner wanting to upload revenge porn would not have access to a verification photo. They often require the paper be crumpled to make it infeasible to photoshop.
If an AI can generate a photorealistic verification picture, it cannot be used to verify anything.
RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I didn’t realize the originated with verifying nsfw content. I’d only ever seen them in otherwise text-based contexts. It seemed to me the person in the photo didn’t necessarily represent the account owner just because they were holding up a piece of paper showing the username. But if you’re matching the verification against other photos, that makes more sense.
oce@jlai.lu 10 months ago
Was it really that hard to Photoshop enough to bypass mods that are not experts at photo forensic?
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
On a side note, they are also used all the time for online selling and trading, as a means to verify that the seller is a real person who is in fact in possession of the object they wish to sell.
trolololol@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How does traditional - as in before AI - photo verification knows the image was not manipulated? In this post the paper is super flat, and I’ve seen many others.
The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 10 months ago
I found this singular screenshot floating around elsewhere, but yes r/stablediffusion is for AI images.
ysjet@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Pretty sure it started because nsfw subreddit mods realized they demand naked pictures of women that nobody else had access to and it made their little mod become a big mod.
chaogomu@kbin.social 10 months ago
Verification posts go back further than Reddit.
They were used extensively on 4chan, because they were the only way to prove that a person posting was in fact that person.and yes, it was mostly people posting nudes, but it was more that they wanted credit.
The reason it carried on to Reddit was because people were using the accounts to advertise patreon and onlyfans, and mods mostly wanted the people making money off the pictures to be the people who took those pictures.
Also it was useful for AMA posts and other such where a celebrity was involved.
hansl@lemmy.world 10 months ago
“No no it’s not about consent it’s about someone being horny” is such a bad take… and bad taste.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
I had some trouble figuring out what exactly was going on as well, but the Stable Diffusion subreddit gave away that it was at least AI related, as that’s one of the popular AI programs. It wasn’t until I saw the tag though, that I really understood - Workflow Included. Meaning that the person included the steps they used to create the photo in question. Which means that the person in the photo was created using the AI program and is fake.
The implications of this sort of stuff are massive too. How long until people are using AI to generate incriminating evidence to get people arrested on false charges, or the opposite - creating false evidence to get away with murder.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If you look close her freckles are smeared and her background furniture is abstract.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Her freckles are smeared and her background furniture is abstract.