YouTube cracking on ad blockers.

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• celerate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Dear YouTube, if anyone there ever reads this.

  I tried not to block ads, I would let the preroll go and usually not skip it.

  I started skipping ads when they started getting long. I recall some were several minutes long at times.

  I started leaving videos part way through when there were mid-roll ads, and those got long enough that I’d often forget what I was even watching.

  I started blocking the ads outright when I would be watching a relaxing video, and a very loud mid-roll ad would blow out my goddamn eardrums.

  Fuck you YouTube. You abused your users, you chased off good content creators, and now you’re offering people no carrot and all stick. How about you offer to match the volume of the ads to the videos, limit the length of ads to something reasonable, and nicely tell viewers that you are making ads less annoying and that unblocking the ads helps pay the content creators.

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  • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    if they’re anything like cable ads, they actually make the ads louder than the regular programming on purpose to try to make sure you hear it if you tune out or just walk away. no relaxed, unfocused watching for you!

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    x2

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  • Scubus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lmao “you purposely made your stuff shit. Now, if you offered a basic service without all the shit, I might pay for that.”

    Bruh, you don’t pay for something because it’s not shit, you pay for something because it’s good. By paying for a basic service simply because it’s not shit, you are incentivising them to enshittify their service and offer a premium “not shit” version, instead of actually improving their service.

    It’s just like the people who buy the new iPhone because it actually has a headphone jack this time.

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  • JasSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They get away with this because people don’t use the alternatives. Odysee and Rumble are actually good alternatives. No, they’re not as good as YouTube, but they’re good enough. We just need creators to also upload to those platforms. Since YouTube keeps banning and demobilising them, this problem might solve itself.

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    • Archer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Rumble is 100% fascist Nazi bullshit, not an alternative

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    • papertowels@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Curious, how does monetization work on those platforms? The bigger “Content creators” typically will be making videos as a job, so to draw them you’d need a halfway decent way to monetize.

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  • Chev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    NewPipr

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• lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  to people saying YouTube is a moneysink for google:

  yes it is, if you just look at direct expenses of running it. but you’re overlooking the fact that it has enabled google to amass so much data(we’re taking about 500 hours worth of videos being uploaded per minute) that they can train anything with it.

  it’s a service that’s too big to fail. even whole governments, courts, and other institutions depend on it. so, I refuse to believe that YouTube will be non-existant because a sliver of users refuse to be profiled by invasive advertisements.

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  • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    it’s a service that’s too big to fail.

    I used to believe that.

    Then Elon Musk showed us that nothing is too big to fail.

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    • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Too big to fail is a lie told by bankers who don’t want to pay their losses.

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    • lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      fair point. but twitter isn’t as big as YouTube. YouTube is the second largest search engine.

      So, YouTube going down would be a much bigger deal than twitter. I suppose governments won’t even allow YouTube to get acquired by some musk.

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    • Deftdrummer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Twitter / X are far from failing simply because your bias is peeking through and “Musk bad”

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  • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If youtube is such a burden, donate it to

    Cash-4-Clunker_Companies.com

    A new charity that takes your failing social media company off your hands (and your ledger!) and donates it to the United States Postal Service to administer and, after government streamlining, channel all profits into funding summer camp and spring break for our underprivilaged senators, congresspeople, and federal and supreme justices.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    to people saying YouTube is a moneysink for google:

    Who says that today? This was true about YouTube many years ago, before Google took it over, I doubt that’s still true.

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    • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Google have been saying that for ages, that their YouTube advertising revenue does not cover YouTube’s running costs.

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  • Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is where I am a bit curious. In a world where we didn’t have user tracking and just did ads the old fashioned way like television via over the air signals and used content as proxy for viewer interest, would folks still use ad blockers or accept having ads as part of the viewing experience?

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    • stewie3128@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We just muted the TV during the ads and did something else until the show came back on. Ad breaks for regular shows like dramas were a predictable length of time, so you could time your bathroom or fridge run pretty well.

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    • lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t mind ads if they’re solely keyword-based, and one per 30 mins or so. but I do mind the tracking by ad companies(most notably google and meta).

      but nowadays I’m so deep into privacy hole that I steer clear of anything that’s not FOSS, unless it’s absolutely necessary(e.g.: degoogled android). So naturally, ublock origin stays on all the time.

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    • xohshoo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      for sure. I listen to a number of podcasts that instead of having dynamically inserted ads, still have the hosts do an ad read. I don’t mind that at all

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  • kvothelu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    their data is worthless if they can’t serve ads

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    • ilovesatan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The data has so many more uses than just ads. They sell the data, use it to train AI, etc. The data itself is more valuable than their entire ad network.

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    • jwagner7813@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’re serving ads just fine. They’re now targeting those that don’t want the ads and actively try to avoid them. That’s the main difference.

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• hal_5700X@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you’re using uBlock Origin. Go to “Filter Lists” and Purge All Caches. That may help.

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  • MoogleMaestro@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I imagine they'll eventually find a way to prevent us from blocking ads. Twitch TV for example has found some ways to make adblock useless.

    It's a shame, and it's really just a side effect of google racing to the bottom of the adspace game. If ads weren't as cheap as they are today, they wouldn't be trying to maximize the amount of users who are forced to see advertisements.

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    • logicbomb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I suspect ad blocking will always be an arms race. The server can only ask the client to play the ad, and then rely on the client to truthfully report whether it did so.

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    • I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Someone will create an extension to mute the ad and overlay it with suitably timed bite sized cat videos.

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    • MindCap@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can block twitch ads. I literally never see them. Use github.com/pixeltris/…/vaft.user.js with Tampermonkey.

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    • hal_5700X@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Will to be fair, Google is an ad company. We should have seen this coming.

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    • stardust@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Worst case scenario I think I’d just resort to downloading the videos to watch. Live videos is the challenge, but luckily I don’t watch live streams.

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    • dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’ll start banning Google accounts, that’ll stop quite alot of people just because of how many users use gmail or drive.

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    • somedaysoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can block ads on Twitch… I use S0undTV on my firesticks and never see ads.

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  • BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just did the zap element thing on that warning. So far so good, except you can’t scroll down.

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    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I see this as an absolute win, since that means you don’t have to read YouTube comments.

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    • NiaTheCat@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When you do that sometimes there’s another invisible element covering the page that when deleted lets you scroll down again.

      Also, try the element dropper icon beside the element zapper, it does the same thing, except it sticks it into a list to do it automatically every time the page loads

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    • casmael@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lmao

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can we pin this?

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  • r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I occasionally see ads on Youtube. I’m not sure if this is related.

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  • KneeTitts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    …temporarily it might help

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• Kumabear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am much, much more likely to be willing to pay for Ublock than I am YouTube.

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  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s interesting to me as someone who has paid for both lol.

    Just curious, why would you not want to pay for YouTube knowing that some of that money makes it to the creators at least? Is that not enough? Is it a principal thing because they try to block the ad blockers now? Or do you think all video content should be free somehow with the creators making a living some other way?

    I have been going through things I subscribe to lately and realized that the content on YouTube is probably the thing I watch the most. I genuinely like some of the people I watch videos of there and want them to do well. I like that some of them started their own streaming sites now so that’s nice but I also don’t want more streaming sites.

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    • Professorozone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well there are a few things to say about your comment. First, YouTube DOES pay content providers. However, most earn money from multiple sources like YouTube, Patreon, sponsors and merchandise sales. Out of those sources youtube is probably the most fickle. Their rules about canceling a channel or removing monetization are arbitrarily enforced and difficult or impossible to appeal.

      The same can be said for the way viewers are treated. YouTube is a “free” service. They decided to operate this way, not us. Instead of, for instance, offering the streaming service as a paid subscription, they chose to essentially destroy the product and then ask for payment to fix it ( the so called poison pill). And don’t forget the notion that if you are not paying for the product, you ARE the product. I’m pretty sure that YouTube is collecting our information and profiting from it. And if they aren’t the parent company absolutely is. When you couple this with the thought that “suggested” content is designed to profit youtube, its easy to make the argument that it wasn’t actually free to begin with.

      So bottom line is, I think people are fed up with relentless marketing and the form of marketing YouTube has chosen is the worst possible kind of marketing. This leaves those who have been users for a while and want to continue, with the choice of fighting this invasive advertising with ad blockers or paying for the service. The latter of which feels a lot like a reward for reprehensible behavior on the part of youtube.

      In short, I think the chief complaint here is HOW youtube has gone about this. Anyway, that’s the way I see it. I use a lot of “free” services and youtube is by far the worst type of cost. Pandora, plays ads I have to listen to as the cost for that service but they aren’t nearly as bad about it and they never do it in the middle of a song, for instance. I use Wikipedia and they don’t market at all, just ask for a donation every now and then. I gave up and just paid for youtube premium. But I have to say it feels a bit like I was extorted, because I feel like I have seen enough ads for one lifetime. If at any point youtube starts showing ads with their paid service I will absolutely drop them like a hot potato, which would be a shame since, like you, I enjoy a lot of the content.

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    • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If youtube didnt consistently fuck over creators, and didnt have draconian and immutable copyright takedown and ad stealing policies, maybe Id consider it

      But theyre too hostile to feel good giving money to. They dont work with creators or viewers, they try and undermine them. So Im not interested in doing as they ask.

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    • gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      why would you not want to pay for YouTube knowing that some of that money makes it to the creators at least?

      do the math to find out what percentage of user subscription ends up in a creator they watch. Also do the math to find out how much is earning google vs how much money goes to the creator. Creators end up getting pennies. If you want to support your favourite creators do it differently. By believing that “least some money makes it to the creators” is what youtube has managed to make people believe so that they rationalize paying for a subscription.

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• jcdenton@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If YouTube premium was $4.99 a month it’d be worth a consideration. But then again adblocking is free and privacy respecting

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  • serratur@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not gonna pay for a service that harvest and sell my data

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    • AWittyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So you pay for 0 services then?

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    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, we all know it’s the free services that don’t harvest data.

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    • jcdenton@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree

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  • YashaB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you really want to support the crators without getting your data exploited, this ist the place to go: nebula.tv

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    • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yep. Nebula rules, I wish more creators were in there.

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  • newIdentity@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I actually think YouTube premium is worth its price. Spotify is the same price, but it costs just as much as YouTube premium and you get less.

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    • CobraChicken@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I want ad free YouTube but don’t want YouTube music. I don’t want to pay for extra shit that I won’t be using.

      I use Spotify way more than I use YouTube. Spotify does one thing and it does it extremely well.

      If Spotify added unlimited free Uber eats delivery tomorrow and bumped up the price to $20 a month, then sure, it’d be a good deal but I wouldn’t want any of that.

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    • raptir@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m not sure about individual plans, but YouTube Premium Family went up to $23 per month. I’ve been a member since day 1 and they eliminated all grandfathering for me. Spotify is $15 for Duo or $17 for family.

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  • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly. Premium is basically twice what I’m willing to pay. I’ve considered going premium multiple times, and have multiple times suffered sticker shock and backed away.

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  • papertowels@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Family plan split 6 ways among friends and family roughly comes out to $5/month

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• anewbeginning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I haven’t watched live tv in almost 20 years because I refuse to sit through ads, and I’ll definitely won’t sit through them on YouTube. If it was a banner or some thing on the page or the side of video that would be more acceptable, but sitting through ads to watch a YouTube video….there’s just no way.

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  • uberkalden@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You could subscribe

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• rwhitisissle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s an end of an era. I’ve been on reddit for over a decade, and on youtube for even longer. Crazy to think I might be giving up both of those services within a few months of each other. Feels like the internet is dying. Oh well. Maybe I’ll go back to reading a shitload.

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  • viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Other way around for me, 14+ years on reddit, youtube maybe 8 or so. Watched videos occasionally, but wasn’t really hooked on something. I feel that started when reddit got more mainstream and I wanted to consume media without the constant comment wars and downvote tirades. I’m sure that happens on youtube as well, but I just deactivated comments and done.

    I’m not getting any ads and intrusions just yet with my blocker setup, but it really feels like the internet is changing. It grew up from being a rebellious teen to a mainstream adult, and that doesn’t sit right with me. Guess current generations will in time alienate the generation older than the internet to the point where we won’t feel at home anymore.

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  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The worst part about reddit was they made ads and legit posts look as similar as possible

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  • Chobbes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maybe I’ll go back to reading a shitload.

    I’ve been reading a lot more lately, and dear god, for your own sake, please do. I’ve been so much happier and less anxious reading books vs random internet garbage. Highly recommend.

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    not dying, evolving

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  • Krachsterben@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same I’ve been on YouTube since at least 2006 so almost 18 years 😭 (I’m turning 30 soon for reference) That’s a long ass time to be using any service. Times have changed

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  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m wondering whether all these things we do on the internet have been shit all along but they have just reached a threshold we can’t tolerate any more, no matter how addicted we are to it. Torrenting ebooks and films and then going into aeroplane mode is the way forward imo.

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  • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I still use YouTube as an indexer and redirect any watch-links to an Invidious instance.

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• mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yeah I could care less about people saying they’d watch ads of they were less intrusive. I’m not, I don’t give a fuck about YouTube’s sustainability who happened to still have major growth while I ran an AdBlock this entire time.

  Maybe I’d consider paying if YouTube was the actual product I was paying for. Instead I get privacy invasive spying and my data being harvested, while am paying to do so. The product I’d want to pay for would have zero privacy invasive stuff involved. Which that isn’t going to exist, so I’m never going to pay.

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  • elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I couldn’t* care less.

    If you say “I could care less,” then it means you’re still caring.

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• MargotRobbie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t really know how people can even use YouTube without ad blockers. Sitting through minutes of advertisement is not going to make me want to buy your product if I start mentally associating your product with frustration and annoyance. If these video ads are going to be repetitive and annoying, at least make them funny.

  It seems like there is nowhere on the Internet to get away from ads currently, even here, where you thought you are safe, you are now reading an ad for my newest movie (you know the one), now also available on streaming!

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• net00@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Youtube is getting on cable tv levels of bad. On a regular ~10min video you will first deal with a few preroll ads and at least one is unskippable, then the creator will have a 2+ minute sponsor segment (I don’t mind those since they are usually well presented). There will also be multiple midroll ad spots.

  Depending on video length, it’s gonna soon be literally more ad than video. They are still stealing and selling your data though, and also making the web worse for everyone with DRM shit.

  Fuck. Google.

  I had already migrated to Invidious since last year because I degoogled everything. Seems like now its time to look for real youtube alternatives.

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• Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Does anyone else remember back in the days of VCR, the networks wanted to push a technology that disallows you from fast-forwarding through ad breaks on the stuff you recorded?

  Pepperidge Farm remenbers.

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• brown567@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Holy crap

  Piped is about to get another user

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• NutWrench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I haven’t turned off ad-blocking in 20 years. That’s because I “don’t allow” companies to use my home and my computer as their place of business.

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• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Google kind of sucks.

  What was their last big success? Google maps? Pretty much everything they do lately is some combination of shitty or prematurely killed.

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• drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Unpopular opinion: They should’ve just started charging big creators, kind of like Vimeo. Mofos be having youtube ads, sponsorships, built-in ads, courses, merch stores and patreon, and then they whine when youtube wants them to comply with advertiser’s demands.

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• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you’re using UBlock Origin do the following:

  Go to settings. Go to Filter Lists. Click purge all caches. Click update now.

  That’s it, this message should disappear entirely.

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• gapbetweenus@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  How did manipulation to make you buy specific shit become so accepted?

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• YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  ublock origin still blocking everything.

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• Companion1666@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  if only ads arent annoying and loud, i have no problems unblocking them. but damn, they’re unbearable.

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• BattleGrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Advertisement is brainwashing and should be against human rights.

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• dunestorm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Unpopular Opinion: I don’t like ads as much as anyone, I’d rather YouTube monetises 1440p and 4k content instead of forcing people to watch ads. YouTube is an extremely expensive business to run, so it being free forever is completely unsustainable.

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• wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  YouTube is the cable tv of 2023

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• DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Suck my balls Google

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• disconnectikacio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  github.com/gilbsgilbs/NewPipeSponsorBlock

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• Crunchypotat77@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Man y’all really expect high quality, extremely diverse, and robust video streaming platform for free?!

  YouTube gotta pay it’s bills somehow. Why y’all ok with paying Netflix/prime/hulu or whatever but not YouTube?!

  YouTube don’t owe nobody free services. Get over it.

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• openrain502r@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Next tactic to stop adblocking: we will come to your house and break your fucking legs if you even THINK about installing ublock

  Then a few days later ublock removes it

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• Manmikey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Google recently announced that it’s podcast service is shutting down and moving to YouTube music, I don’t want or need YouTube music so I’ve already moved to Podcast Republic, it has a few ads but they can be removed with a small one off payment. Google just wants to shove all it’s users into YouTube and YouTube music for maximum ads and data harvesting.

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• fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  2025: Search removed. Spend a decade crippling the function, then claim the usage data support getting rid of it! 2027: Expiring updates. Juice the watch numbers inside with a new artificial scarcity measure. Marvel Bullshit 49 Theatrical Trailer, available for seven days only! Featuring AI Robin Williams and a Mr B_ast guest ad! 2028: Web Environment Integrity inserted. Hand warmer sales crater as mobile viewers relish their new handset functionality.

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• Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Even if I have to sit through 30 seconds of silence, is there a way to redirect the ad to a ghost browser so I don’t have to listen to something like grubhubs stupid video?

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• aswinbenny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Reset Ublock orgin and update the filter and Ublock extension. Still you would be getting the popup once a while

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