YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

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• dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All my life I’ve seen Stalin listed with people like Hitler and Pol Pot as murderous despots. How the hell are we “not talking enough about how bad he was?”

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  • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All your life you’ve lived under capitalism and have been exposed to anti-communist propaganda, because to date communism has been the only successful alternative to capitalism.

    Somehow OP thinks that a lifetime of anti-communism isn’t enough anti-communism.

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    • Tiresia@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a natural pendulum moment. We are flooded with anticommunist propaganda, so when you start lifting up the curtain and seeing more and more of the lies, you can start wondering what else was a lie.

      That’s the moment all sorts of ideologies jump out of the woodwork to recruit you, and given most of your education was a subjugating lie you probably don’t have the tools to distinguish them that well.

      And that’s how you end up with people denying the holocaust or thinking covid is fake or saying Stalin wasn’t so bad actually.

      So as we’re dismantling capitalism we’re going to have to constantly help people find their footing in reality, including helping them reaffirm the parts of capitalist propaganda that were true enough.

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  • yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I live in Canada, the general vibe we get through our culture and education is that Hitler was #1 worst guy in history, everyone else was a close second.

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    • StickyDango@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This. Even in my psychology of genocide course in uni, a lot of it was focused on Hitler being the worst, and not much about Stalin.

      Sort of related sort of not, I learned in the last few years how awful the British were, too. Different levels of awful, but I’m thinking because Canada is a commonwealth country and was pretty much run by the Brits back in the day, the Brits excluded from our education the bad things they did, ie to native Americans/First Nations people, Africa, etc. I didn’t learn about any of that… So I think what they wanted people to learn and what they wanted people to forget shaped what was taught in Canadian schools.

      So, like many others, I was awed and excited by the royals. Now that I know what they’ve been trying to hide, meh.

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  • VinegarChunks@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I had probably 10 times as many educational hours dedicated to Hitler and the Holocaust as I did learning about Stalin.

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    • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Israel weaponized the Holocaust and drilled two falsehoods into everyone’s head:

      1. Jews were the only victims.
      2. The Holocaust is a special genocide that hasn’t happened before or since, is the worst crime in recorded history, and no one should dare question that.

      This allows them to genocide Palestinians while calling everyone who questions their ethno supremacist expansionist colonial project a Nazi.

      6 million Jews were murdered, out of 17 million victims.

      Genocide of Indigenous Americans (1492–1832): it is estimated that 90% of the indigenous population, amounting to over 55 million people, died due to violence, forced labor, and disease after European colonization.

      Mao Zedong (China, 1958–1961/1966–1969): Historians estimate that between 30-70 million people died due to famine, persecution, and forced labor during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

      Mongol Conquests (13th Century): Under Genghis Khan, it is estimated that 30-60 million people were killed, representing about 10% of the world’s population at the time.

      To name a few… Hitler was a monster, but he was hardly the worst monster.

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    • Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Definitely this. This is what they chose the curriculum to cover more.

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  • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most of the focus is on how bad communism is, not how bad its leaders were.

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    • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s a spectre haunting stoly specter

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    • AffineConnection@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      *how bad a straw man version of communism is

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      To be fair, having authoritarian government means you’ll absolutely have an oppressive regime at some point.

      If anything, Stalin was the one to cement authoritarianism as the system of power in USSR and make sure it cannot be reverted without massive issues in the form of separatism, civil disobedience, and more.

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  • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Look at main lemmy dev positing essays about how great Ussr was.

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  • lietuva@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    because most of the atrocities that Stalin commited didn’t happen in Western world.

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, the Western world preferred to export violence, not keep it home-grown

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  • jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    putins most obvious influence too, or maybe they just have a lot in common

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• OilyArena@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is this post satire?

  “Stalin was a communist leader inspired by Leon Trotsky”??? The two were massive rivals with completely different ideologies.

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  • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can heae the Hexbear slop community furiously masturbating at thought of ripping this post to shreds.

    As they should, with factual errors this fucking baby-brained

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  • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    LOL LOL of course a tankie came out for this one.

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    • nomy@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Any actual notes?

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    • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Damn, you sure showed them! Got any other galaxy brain zingers in there, Megamind?

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    • ActualCommunistLearning@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Define tankie.

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• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Honestly, the guy was a real jerk.

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  • DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I see you there P and R ref. Well played!

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  • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No way

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  • jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    party foul!

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  • lauha@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To put it mildly

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• lemonhat75@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s why I’m a capitalist, who famously have never killed anyone for being a communist

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  • jafra@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Your downvotes hint to this actually being juust some more imperialistic propaganda

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    • egrets@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The downvotes hint at a general awareness by users that whataboutism is a playground debate technique on par with, “I know you are, but what am I?”.

      If a point is valid in a vacuum but has no bearing on the topic, it absolutely should get a negative reaction.

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  • jafra@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hahaha, nice 1

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• SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hitler was a monster, but we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was

  Not only is The Double Genocide Theory a form of soft Holocaust denial, it’s deeply comical to claim “we don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was”. Yes we fucking do??? American popular code culture has been built on anti-Communism for decades!

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  • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    American popular code culture has been built on anti-Communism for decades!

    Great, doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the world is not America.

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are US Americans even aware of this, though?

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  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not really, the Soviets were considered Allies. In addition, the USA supplied weapons and materials to the Soviets and the fucks used them against Finland.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In addition, the USA supplied weapons and materials to the Soviets and the fucks used them against Finland.

      False. The war with Finland happened in 1939 and the lend-lease program didn’t begin until 1941. There wasn’t even a supply route connecting the USSR to the other allies until the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, also in 1941 (which was one of the main reasons for the invasion).

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    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Very briefly during the second world war, but beyond that period, both before and after, the Soviets were considered an enemy of the US and co.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      and the fucks used them against Finland.

      but why?

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• emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Joseph Stalin was a communist leader inspired by Leon Trotsky

  Obvious factual error in the first sentence. Sigh. They don’t make nazis like they used to.

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  • ActualCommunistLearning@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Literally what I was thinking. Trotsky indirectly (but still probably intentionally) catching strays lol

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    • BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Trotsky was equally as bad as Stalin actually. He was very good at reframing it after his exile but that doesn’t mean he isn’t neck deep in blood as well.

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  • BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    while overly simplified - the statement is technically correct - Trotsky was a big proponent of state terror campaigns and disproportional use of force to quell civil unrest. Stalin took this framework and developed it further into fully functional system. Trotsky also started the camp system that evolved into GULAG. He was also very dismissive about comrade Coba and this arrogance eventually did him in and led to his exile and later assassination.

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    • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The prison system in the soviet union was pretty similar to the system in place by the tsar - gather the problems up, send them to siberia. A new system that gestates in the womb of the old will have to struggle to shake these things, or whatever marx said.

      but nah man, stalin invented prisons, go off

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    • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nah, a normal person would have said ‘inspired by Lenin’. OP is either dumb as rocks or AI.

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• themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You don’t have to be a psychopath to obtain power, but it makes it easier. You do have to be a psychopath to want the power to murder indiscriminately.

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• chloroken@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fascist slop. Disregarded.

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  • freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly. Because nobody has ever died under Capitalism…

    Vietnam war, 1.3 million. Korean war, 2.5 to 5 million. US Afghan war, over 240k. Iraq war, 600k to 1 million.

    Or how about the 100,000 pregnancies impacted by thalidomide? The millions poisoned by the use of leaded gasoline? Or the deaths caused by forever chemicals, as companies knowingly poisoned people with Teflon waste?

    Just scratching the surface here…

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  • ChadGPT2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are you saying the facts are wrong?

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    • ActualCommunistLearning@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nope, just twisted from the very first sentence saying Stalin was inspired by Trostky, when they were ideologically opposed, just because Stalin followed something he pointed out ("In politics, obtaining power and maintaining power justifies anything”), which Nicolò Machiavelli already pointed out before lol

      Trostky was very vocal about Stalin’s dictatorship being, at best, a degeneration of an actual workers’ state, and got found and executed abroad for it.

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• BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yet people still don’t know the difference that he was an authoritarian that forced a grinding, socialist state on his people over what actual socialism/communism is.

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  • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Could it be because “actual socialism/communism” has never existed in reality and every time it was attempted, it turned out to be a “grinding, socialist state”?

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    • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That presumes they were trying socialism/communism and not just using it as a cover for their authoritarian ideology.

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    • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A most interesting theory, comrade. Perhaps you would like to give a speech further exploring your ideas in the basement of the secret police headquarters?

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    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think you could make the same argument with just about any economic policy. Free market capitalism has never existed in reality and every time it was attempted, it turned out to be an abstract of colonial imperialism.

      It ends up billions of apes are hard to govern in a way that excludes usery and violence.

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    • 001Guy001@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Adding quotes for reference:

      “The Russian revolutionaries believed that the international struggle for socialism could be started in Russia—but that it could only be finished after an international socialist revolution. A wave of upheavals did sweep across Europe following the Russian Revolution and the end of the First World War, toppling monarchies in Germany and the Austro-Hungarian empire and shaking many other societies. But workers didn’t succeed in taking power anywhere else for any length of time. So the Russian Revolution was left isolated. In these desperate circumstances, Russia’s shattered working class couldn’t exercise power through workers’ councils. More and more, decisions were made by a group of state bureaucrats. At first, the aim was to keep the workers’ state alive until help came in the form of international revolution. But eventually, as the hope of revolution abroad faded, the leading figure in the bureaucracy, Joseph Stalin, and his allies began to eliminate any and all opposition to their rule—and started making decisions on the basis of how best to protect and increase their own power. Though continuing to use the rhetoric of socialism, they began to take back every gain won in the revolution—without exception.” / “To finally consolidate power, Stalin had to murder or hound into exile every single surviving leader of the 1917 revolution. Russia under Stalin became the opposite of the workers’ state of 1917. Though they mouthed socialist phrases, Stalin and the thugs who followed him ran a dictatorship in which workers were every bit as exploited as in Western-style capitalist countries.” / “…The popular character of the Russian Revolution is also clear from looking at its initial accomplishments. The revolution put an end to Russia’s participation in the First World War—a slaughter that left millions of workers dead in a conflict over which major powers would dominate the globe. Russia’s entry into the war had been accompanied by a wave of patriotic frenzy, but masses of Russians came to reject the slaughter through bitter experience. The soldiers that the tsar depended on to defend his rule changed sides and joined the revolution—a decisive step in Russia, as it has been in all revolutions. The Russian Revolution also dismantled the tsar’s empire—what Lenin called a “prison-house” of nations that suffered for years under tsarist tyranny. These nations were given the unconditional right to self-determination. The tsar had used the most vicious anti-Semitism to prop up his rule—after the revolution, Jews led the workers’ councils in Russia’s two biggest cities. Laws outlawing homosexuality were repealed. Abortion was legalized and made available on demand. And the revolution started to remove the age-old burden of “women’s work” in the family by organizing socialized child care and communal kitchens and laundries. But just listing the proclamations doesn’t do justice to the reality of workers’ power. Russia was a society in the process of being remade from the bottom up. In the factories, workers began to take charge of production. The country’s vast peasantry took over the land of the big landowners. In city neighborhoods, people organized all sorts of communal services. In general, decisions about the whole of society became decisions that the whole of society played a part in making. Russia became a cauldron of discussion—where the ideas of all were part of a debate about what to do. The memories of socialists who lived through the revolution are dominated by this sense of people’s horizons opening up.” / “The tragedy is that workers’ power survived for only a short time in Russia. In the years that followed 1917, the world’s major powers, including the United States, organized an invasion force that fought alongside the dregs of tsarist society—ex-generals, aristocrats, and assorted hangers-on— in a civil war against the new workers’ state. The revolution survived this assault, but at a terrible price. By 1922, as a result of the civil war, famine stalked Russia, and the working class—the class that made the Russian Revolution—was decimated.” (from the book “The Case For Socialism” by Alan Maass)

      “Partisans of the free market point to the failure of Soviet planning as a reason to reject, out of hand, any idea of an organized economy. Without entering the discussion on the achievements and miseries of the Soviet experience, it was obviously a form of dictatorship over needs, to use the expression of György Márkus and his friends in the Budapest School: a nondemocratic and authoritarian system that gave a monopoly over all decisions to a small oligarchy of techno-bureaucrats. It was not planning itself that led to dictatorship, but the growing limitations on democracy in the Soviet state and, after Lenin’s death, the establishment of a totalitarian bureaucratic power, which led to an increasingly undemocratic and authoritarian system of planning. If socialism is defined as control by the workers and the population in general over the process of production, the Soviet Union under Stalin and his successors was a far cry from it. The failure of the USSR illustrates the limits and contradictions of bureaucratic planning, which is inevitably inefficient and arbitrary: it cannot be used as an argument against democratic planning. The socialist conception of planning is nothing other than the radical democratization of economy: If political decisions are not to be left to a small elite of rulers, why should not the same principle apply to economic decisions?” / “Socialist planning must be grounded on a democratic and pluralist debate at all the levels where decisions are to be made.” (from “Ecosocialism: A Radical Alternative To Capitalist Catastrophe” by Michael Löwy)

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    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It did exist, it’s just that in the past, the real socialist revolutions were crushed by the authoritarian stalinists.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Cuba?

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  • ruuster13@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Humans aren’t ready for actual socialism. We have to evolve out the tribal savage first.

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    • 001Guy001@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The “tribal savage” attitude/behavior is created/reinforced by capitalistic societies/interests. We need to actively create an alternative system and it will reshape society as we go.

      “The world as we enter the 21st century is one of greed, of gross inequalities between rich and poor, of racist and national chauvinist prejudice, of barbarous practices and horrific wars. It is very easy to believe that this is what things have always been like and that, therefore, they can be no different. […] The anthropologist Richard Lee [said]: “Before the rise of the state and the entrenchment of social inequality, people lived for millennia in small-scale kin-based social groups, in which the core institutions of economic life included collective or common ownership of land and resources, generalised reciprocity in the distribution of food, and relatively egalitarian political relations.” In other words, people shared with and helped each other, with no rulers and no ruled, no rich and no poor. […] Our species […] is over 100,000 years old. For 95 percent of this time it has not been characterised at all by many of the forms of behaviour ascribed to ‘human nature’ today. There is nothing built into our biology that makes present day societies the way they are. Our predicament as we face a new millennium cannot be blamed on it.” (from the book “A People’s History Of The World: From The Stone Age To The New Millennium” by Chris Harman)

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      “Is it true that our human nature is “survival of the fittest”, greed, competition; that we can’t really think about the benefit of the whole and that it’s all about the individual - “if I can survive, if my family can survive, that’s fine, I don’t care about anyone else”? Or maybe it’s human conditioning, a second nature, which means a condition that’s been practiced for so long that now it seems like it’s innate. Because when you think about it, from a very early age we go to school, and the main purpose of this is to basically propel us into the “real world”, where we need to find a job, get a career, and try to survive as isolated people in separate houses, with the family, the car, and all that. But it’s a very isolated experience, where you try to build wealth only for yourself. And that’s what we’re pushed to do, that’s what we’re encouraged to do, that’s our definition of success. But who says? We don’t come up with these ideas when we’re born, we learn these ideas.” (from the book “How To Change The World” by Elina St-Onge)

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      “Ownership of things in common was so universal throughout the American continent when the Europeans arrived that even the cooking pot, Columbus noted, was available to anyone who wanted to take from it, and this even in times of starvation. Two centuries later, Thomas Morton could also say of the Five Nations inhabiting New England that “although every proprietor knows his own . . . yet all things, so long as they will last, are used in common amongst them.” The idea of ownership of land was so alien among Native Americans that individuals made no effort to secure for themselves the lands they occupied, frequently moving grounds, and readily sharing them with newcomers. As Kirkpatrick Sale writes, “Owning the land, selling the land, seemed ideas as foreign as owning and selling the clouds or the wind.” William Cronon too comments, “This relaxed attitude towards personal possession was typical throughout New England.” […] No effort was made to set permanent boundaries around a field that a family used, and fields were abandoned after some years and allowed to return to bushes. What people possessed was the use of the land and the crops; this is what was traded, and this usufruct right could not prevent trespassing. In fact, different groups of people could have claims on the same land, depending on the use they made of it, which might not be the same. Several villages could fish in the same rivers recognizing their mutual rights. And when one left the clan they left everything they had possessed. Yet, these unattached, nomadic tribes had a far deeper communion with the land and agriculture than the privatizing Europeans and so much respect for it that though “they had taken their livelihood from the land for eons, hunting, foraging, planting, fishing, building, trekking,” at the time of the Europeans’ arrival “the land of North America was still by every account without exception a lush and fertile wilderness teeming with abundant wildlife in water, woods, and air.” The result of this lack of attachment to private property among the Native peoples of America was a communal outlook that valued cooperation, group identity, and culture. […] The dislike for individual accumulation was so strong that they invented the ritual of the potlatch, that is, a periodic redistribution of wealth, to free themselves from it.” (from the book “Re-enchanting The World: Feminism And The Politics Of The Commons” by Silvia Federici & Peter Linebaugh)

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    • InTheNameOfScheddi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m curious how you define socialism, what you think humans aren’t ready for, and what alternative do we have and why

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    • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No. Socialism will never be a thing because it’s fundamentally incompatible with the evolutionary incentives at the core

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Socialism plays just fine with self-interest and greed, it just limits what you can do in its pursuit.

      Communism - yes, relies on your own self-control.

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  • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait, but they said their socialism is real!

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• Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Guys DAE umm… Stalin killed a gorrillion people I know this because my 5th grade teacher told me in history class. And that’s why communism is really bad

  THE END /s

  Did we finish animal farm today and the teacher told you the Pig = Stalin?

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  • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, Communism is bad because it is as much of a fairy tale as a free market. For exactly the same reasons.

    Bad people ruin things for everybody. Whether they are head of state or head of corporations doesn’t change much as long as they have power.

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    • Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The enlightened centrist

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• manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  To place Russian communism and Nazi-fascism on the same moral plane, in that both would be totalitarian, is superficial at best, fascism at worst.

  Whoever insists on this equation may well consider himself a democrat, in truth and in the bottom of his heart he is in fact already a fascist, and certainly only in a hypocritical and insincere way will he fight fascism, while reserving all his hatred for communism.

  • Thomas Mann

  Quote is from this book iskrabooks.org/…/losurdo-stalin-history-and-criti…

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  • DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What is the reasoning behind that conclusion? I can see how comparing the two simply because they’re totalitarian would be superficial (there are many structural differences between both). And to me, what the Nazis did, the rhetoric they used and their rise to power has always felt much more ominous and foreboding than even Stalin’s.

    But I can’t put it into words and I see no real reason why Stalin’s crimes and death camps would in any way be less evil than the Nazis’. To me it feels like Nazis went beyond just political power straight into core beliefs and ideology, whereas Stalin’s crimes were just your typical tyrant authoritarian maneuvering, but I don’t know if that really makes an ethical difference.

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  • greygore@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    providing an essential academic counter-narrative to the rampant demonization of one of fascism’s most ardent enemies.

    That seems awfully generous for a man that signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and only became an ardent enemy of the Nazi’s after they backstabbed him. I don’t have the time to energy to dive deeper before saying this sounds like one hell of an apologist for one of history’s most evil authoritarians and I have no desire to engage with it further. This man did not care for his comrades and anyone that equates him with any form of socialism is just poisoning socialism in the general public.

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  • Kaerkob@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So if OP did not include the last line, they would not necessarily be a fascist, but because of the last line they are definitely a fascist.

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  • BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s no argument in this citation. Just a dumb, unfounded opinion

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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Everybody was terrified

  Not really. Many thought the charges are real, and that Stalin led them to a great future with an iron fist, that’s all. The problem was, there really was no due process involved, so many of those thinking it won’t affect them were indeed affected. My great grandfather has made some enemies at work, so they reported him on false accusations. The “investigation” was brief, he was arrested, never to be seen again. This was a shock to the family, who never expected to get into this, being law-abiding citizens.

  Stalin decided to crush Ukraine

  Also known as Holodomor, this topic is highly contentious among historians. There is no definitive proof that this was intentional and not a massive failure on the side of early Soviet logistics, which was a mess at the time, plagued with dishonest reporting, high latency, and other systemic issues. Still, this did lead to a massive famine killing millions, so it’s not to be taken lightly.

  Stalin is indeed a highly contentious figure, and a lot of what he did has led to grave consequences. But it makes sense to set the record straight.

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  • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re right that there is no evidence that the “Holodomor” was a genocide, while there is plenty of evidence that the guy who coined the term had Nazi affiliations and was specifically looking to smear communism.

    It’s still possible to blame Moscow for the famine. After all, they were in charge. But you also have to acknowledge that it was the last famine Ukraine experienced, in a long long history of cyclical famine. Meanwhile, under capitalism we still have famine in places in Africa because it’s not profitable to stop feed poor people.

    The history of communism is a history full of mistakes with the occasional bad actor. However, compare that to the history of capitalism, which is a history full of bad actors occasionally making mistakes that let the good guys to get a win.

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Whenever someone says we have to take control no matter the price and ignore all our previous values and laws you know what is coming next.

  I also like murdering every capitalists so you can be the only one. Very Highlander.

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  • MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Coming to a theatre near you soon!

    State Capitalism

    There can be only one…

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• danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Also crazy that he just died from a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 74. If it weren’t for that, he’d probably have another 20 years in him.

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• VinegarChunks@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not too long ago I started listening to the audiobook of The Gulag Archipelago, and I had to stop a few chapters in because it was negatively affecting my mental health.

  You may have heard about the Soviet Union being bad in the 70s and 80s, but that was an absolute cakewalk compared to the Stalin era.

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• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I swear this exact post was made a while ago here

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• dellish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And now for those who haven’t seen it, or haven’t seen it for a while, go and watch The Death Of Stalin. Brilliant relatively truthful satire of the events preceding and after the event.

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• Dojan@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “In politics, obtaining power and maintaining power justifies anything”

  I mean if that doesn’t sum up most big name politicians I don’t know what does.

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• Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Do people actually defend Stalin still?

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• 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  New canon: neocons astroturfing YSK

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• WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All of recorded history is western imperialist propaganda.

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• PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Truly a paragon. Transcending above racism, classism, or religion, he believed in and fought for equal opportunity murder.

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• SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Did he Make The USSR Great Again?

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• GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How tf was he inspired by Trotsky? He fucking had the guy killed!

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• Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If hitler were a lemmy thread he’d be this one

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He even imprisoned his airplane designers until it was pointed out that if he wanted a modern air force he couldn’t kill the airplane designers.

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• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The Top 5 murderers, ranked.

  1. Mao
  2. Stalin,
  3. Hitler
  4. King Leopold II (Belgian Congo)
  5. Tojo

  Stalin was a paranoid fucknut and did not care about his son held in a German POW camp. He refused to trade General von Paulus after the Battle of Stalingrad for his own child.

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• mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would argue Maximilien Robespierre did it before him

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• Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Of course a SJW poster would post propaganda on YSK.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The purge of the red army was noticed by the German high command which factored into launching Operation Barbarossa. The red army was a shambles as most of the officers had been murdered or imprisoned. Units struggled to respond without them.

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