Poor things, give them some homeopathic placebo at least
Human experimentation, one way or the other.
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20cello@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I can’t describe how many patients I see in an average week who are taking homeopathic stuff for their dental diseases and ask me hopefully if it’s working. No, magic toxin water has not cured your gingivitis or rebuilt your cavitated tooth.
chocrates@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
I’m sad that my mom believed in homeopathy. She still went to doctors thankfully and got her cancer treated, but she wasted so much money on snake oil
MTZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The real deal 🔥
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sadly, the stupid tend to breed prolifically, and anti-vax idiots often have a gaggle of spawn, and are keen to whelp more litters as the others die from perfectly preventable diseases
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I think about that often. The people who have the most kids are generally the ones who can’t afford them and have a harder time providing extra-curricular activities or those with more extreme religious beliefs who may opt out of scientific education. If your average Mormon has 3-4 kids and your average astrophysicist has 1-2, the population trend must eventually follow.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Mormons, Jews, Protestants and Catholics, and Muslims all seem to have more children the farther down the crazy path they go. I don’t know enough about other religions.
DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Well the “stupid will outbreed the smart” has, for all intents and purposes, been debunked by science so you can be fearless!
We can go back to kill bugs now, for Democracy!
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Of course they have many kids. They need to in order to survive their genes.
Many of their kids never reach adulthood.
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Not that many of them die in Western countries although they may have shorter overall lifespans. Doesn’t help that they add generations in 15-22 years instead of 25-40.
BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In 1st world countries I don’t think that’s true at all…to the point where I’ll say you’re flat out wrong. At least for many, many years that hasn’t been the case.
Can’t comment about less fortunate countries though.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re just attempting an R strategy
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ow, my balls
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Go away! Baitin’!
MTZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
nods The natural order.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
r strategists
shane@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Except statistically wealthier people have more kids.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A bullshit religious outfit?
Fuck off with that crap.
That has all the credibility of one of Trump’s crayon drawings
WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know a couple of anti-vax people who won’t take or get any vaccine, but they will happily buy unregulated dick pills from china.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Wait you know more than one anti-vaxxer and they all/both order dick pills, what are the odds.
Also, they don’t just sell them in the pharmacy like in the UK?
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AFAIK, Cialis and Viagra (and their generics) are prescription only. So you can’t just have a discussion with the pharmacist to get those.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fuck, you made me laugh cough with that last bit.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Not making a choice, is a choice.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Geddy Lee voice
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A comma is grammatically incorrect in that context.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It was a deliberate choice. I like the pause.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
I’ll never forget that woman i saw on tinder quite frequently who had a bunch of low to high key antivax stuff on her profile. One was a picture of her when she was on a antivax demo with a lot of other people and she was holding a sign that said something like: we don’t follow the masses… While following a mass of people, quite literally
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Half the anti-vaxxers I knew had concerns what was in the shot but did coke all weekend.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I used to party hard and I’ve got fucked up with people going on about Covid vaccine as we are actively doing lines off a fucking table. When id point it out they’d say that’s different.
Idiots.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They’re right, we know exactly the kind of damage snorting powdered drugs has on your nose and heart. They were taking a calculated risk, you were just rolling the dice with your health. Owned again, liberal.
(I AM JOKING)
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I mean, the thing they’re not saying is that they think the vaccines are being used to control people. The cocaine is just cocaine.
I’m sure you already know this, but it’s good to remember that flat earthers and the like don’t actually care if the earth is flat or not, that’s not really what it’s about.
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nobody was thinking straight during the Covid Panic. I got the vaccine because I’m the type of person it likes to kill.
But it surprised me that the crowd that are terrified of Forever Chemcalz, atomz, BPA, microplastics and frequently scream “Regulations are written in blood!” were chomping at the bit to force everyone to get injected with a product from Big Pharma that was fast tracked and bypassed all normal regulations to get to market as soon as possible by the executive orders of a billionaire president they despised.
Meanwhile, the MAGA crowd were booing Trump at his rallies when he told them to go out and get vaccinated.
The whole world had gone cross-eyed.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Yes it was fast tracked but it did not bypass all normal regulations.
Not only was the vaccine incredibly safe it was also incredibly effective.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value.
Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.
bots bots bots bots bots bots bots
The fact that we don’t put up with your troll shit doesn’t make us bots.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You should probably look up how vaccine testing schedules work normally compared to what they ddid with the covid vax. They didn’t rush or skip any testing, they simply put it ahead of every other test schedule, it was tested as thoroughly as every other vaccine, they merely delayed testing of other vaccines, because of the whole pandemic thing that was going on and, you know, the cripplingly dire need for it and all that.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a guy who runs Nurgle, this is genuinely quite hurtful.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But Papa Nurgle gives his gifts to bring you love and happiness, he wants to end your pain and suffering. That’s the exact opposite of these idiot asses.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
We should thank the antivaxxers. There was a suspicion for years that vaccines over age 60 reduce the incidence of neurodegenerative diseases but due to high uptake, a control group was not obvious, nor ethical to impose.
Now, the control group has appeared and vaccines, especially Shingrex, lower Alzheimer incidence by 20-30%.
In fact, vaccines work far better than the last two FDA approved antibody therapies for dementia costing $26000 a year.
This was a very promising route to prevent neurodegenerative diseases but Trump ironically cut all this research in 2025.
matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m wondering if it’s really the vaccine or if what makes you vulnerable to the antivax idea also makes you more prone to neurodegenerescence.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Well, their kids are. They, no doubt, were vaccinated by their parents.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I honestly am starting to think the anti-vaxx crowd has been astroturfed by pharmaceutical corporations in order to convince the general public that anyone who questions Big Pharma is some loomy who thinks vaccines cause autism wants to drink raw milk.
casualvagrancy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve never once met the stereotype antivaxxer (dumb, thinks apple cider vinegar cures cancer, etc). I have a bunch of anti-vax coworkers (ironic as I work in healthcare) and they’re highly educated, normal people who don’t drink raw milk (though I’ve tried it and it’s just … milk.)
b0ber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day of the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.
b0ber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hilarious, did you come up with this yourself, using your own talent?
llamatron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know someone who knows someone who’s friend’s postman had it and he grew a third arm!
b0ber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Here’s a link to a website where you can find your intellectual companions and gaslight each other: reddit.com
CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe you should mention where you are from. Because they definitely did not release an untested vaccine into western countries, it was tested and the bugs were worked out, somewhere.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Sources. You know. To show you’re not a tool.
b0ber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m sure you can find some papers easily, I haven’t looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.
schnokobaer@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Sure thing
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Double edged sword.
If we don’t act fast enough, many will die. If we acted too fast with untested vaccine, people may die. I guess will and may are very important here. Would be much preferable if we didn’t suddenly discover and spread the deadly virus.
b0ber@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I can definitely see the benefits. But completely dismissing the concerns of those who think differently doesn’t feel very constructive. The pharma companies basically made billions on this with zero liability, its ridiculous.
bootleg@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This comment is probably satire, but anybody reading this should really check out this debate youtube.com/watch?v=30W2w02n360.
DimFisher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Never took it, never needed it, I never will, so for the uneducated who are ready to polarize and divide people on a matter that is strictly personal, I remind you to read history and learn what is a pandemic because if you have to do a test to see if you got it, then it’s definitely not one, it was just a common flu and the experiment was you, good luck you re gonna need it!
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
strictly personal
Oh, so I assume you’ve self isolated yourself entirely and aren’t going within 15 feet of anyone else or letting anyone else come within 15 feet of you?
MTZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Something tells me that no one would be within 15 feet of that person anyway.
DimFisher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What this has to do with someone taking the vaccine? Please use your brains before replying if able to
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This comment was written by a virus.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Does anybody else remember the good old days before the pandemic when anti-vaxers where a left wing phenomenon? It was mostly popular among the all natural hippies who were convinced that crystals and meditation could cure diseases and that all modern medicine was a scam by the all powerful and all elusive “big pharma”… It’s sad that anti-vaxers who went from clowns that everybody made fun to being a serious problem because a big chunk of society decided to go brain dead and old diseases are making a comeback.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I feel sorry for people who sign up for vaccine trials and get the placebo.
raven@lemmy.org 2 weeks ago
Maybe that’s why the government never makes certain vaccines mandatory, especially those that prevent communicable diseases.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
and are willing participation in thought control experiments by right wing groups.
vane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This planet is one big experiment.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The curse of vaccines is that they’re victims of their own success. They are so successful in fact that people forget why we need them in the first place. That’s why we unfortunately need a control group.
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The phrase “there is no glory in prevention” is well known in related fields
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, you say that. But we have a quarterly all-hands office meeting at my company. Every meeting kicks off with “This is how many accidents we had this quarter. We are aiming for ZERO accidents. Zero Is Achievable.” And in the quarters we’ve had zero accidents, the upper management makes a big deal out of it.
There have been a number of campaigns to eliminate certain viruses from the human population - smallpox being the most famous. And there was quite a bit of glory doled out to celebrate the regional elimination of these contagions.
It’s possible to make prevention a celebrated endeavor. But you do have to prioritize it. And you can’t run away and blow it off when you fail. I think the real “no glory” issue is in bungled preventative campaigns. Far easier to insist vaccinations don’t work than to acknowledge our pre-Trump efforts at vaccinating the population have been half-assed and profit-motivated.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
unfortunately :/
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I feel like the antivaxxers are more concentrated in the developed north because of privileges; from having better access to healthcare, better economy, and less prevalence of deadlier diseases because of colder climate. So they get treatment more easily if they need one, and don’t see nasty diseases. Meanwhile, the global south tend to believe more in vaccinations because diseases in warmer climate are more common and deadlier.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
yeah there’s definitely a correlation between temperature and diseases/infection.
it’s well known for example that the Thai and Spanish people all eat very spicy food because it disinfects the body from the inside out. Which reduces diseases. That only works for bacteria though, not viruses.
aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Someone should send that memo to Florida man.
BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know what word I want to use. Not unintelligent, not really dumb or ignorant (although the people who blindly follow others who tell them they’re bad are), stupid? But at the top it seems like there’s people saying this stuff who are seemingly none of those. Malignant, I guess?
Either way, people need to realize how important vaccines are.
CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh are you thinking of state level disinformation campaigns? If only there was some evidence that you could find to prove those things exist. Hmmm what ever will you do? nah, speculating on lemmy is the only thing we can do. Them misinformation spreaders are bad amirite