Submitted 10 hours ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
“Well, first of all, they’re completely wrong,” Huang said in response to a question from Tom’s Hardware editor-in-chief Paul Alcorn about the criticism.
“The reason for that is because, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry and textures and everything about the game with generative AI,” Huang continued.
Just a elongated way to say AI slop.
I’m tired boss
Still on a 1660ti and probably will be for the foreseeable future lol.
Hey nvidia gamers, don’t turn it on. Thanks. - sincerely everyone else.
Slop Wars - DLSS awakening.
Fuck nvidia
This makes me even more sure of my decision to get an AMD card as my next GPU (currently I have a RTX 4080 so it’s still a long time until that happens but still).
Every time I got an AMD card I got burned, so that’s not really an option. Last try was a 5700 XT and oh my god was that a pain. So much so that instead of my usual 4-5 year upgrade cycle I grabbed a 3080 one year later.
Nowadays DLSS is a must for me, it just looks so much better than TAA. FSR is alright, but not great.
So this dumb fuck’s own marketing material has said this operates off final pixel colour and motion vectors (for temporal stability presumably) - that says to me that it’s not working with actual geometry info at all. It probably has a step to infer geometry but it’s still just a fancy Instagram filter working with limited data and an obviously ill-suited training set.
the previous versions at least need the software to supply motion vectors. otherwise it’s just guesswork. i’m assuming there will be some way to supply lighting information as well.
whatever the final product can do, they certainly didn’t show it off in their examples.
Technically, at least on vulkan, these things can be inferred or intercepted with just an injected layer, though it’s not trivial. If you store a buffer history for depth you can fairly accurately compute an approximation of actual mesh surfaces from the pov of the view. But that isn’t the same as real polygons and meshes that the textures and all map to… pretty sure you can’t run that pipeline real time even with tiled temporal ss. Almost definitely works on the output directly, perhaps some buffers like motion vectors and depth for the same frame that they’ve needed since dlss2 anyway. But pretty suspect to claim full polygons, unless running with tight integration from the game itself, even then the frame budgets are crazy tight as it is, nevermind running extra passes on that level
Gamers do not want x.
Gamers are wrong about this.
That is definitely how it works. Keep pushing that line.
I don’t like this movie.
You are wrong and must like this movie because I like it!
Fuck. Off.
We’re at the “the customer is always wrong” stage of capitalism. Wheeeee
Gamers are not the primary market for GPU anymore. Its AI sadly. So they get away with shit like that…
DLSS has no application in AI, though, so that point is not really valid here.
That’s been the line they have pushed for at least three decades now. It didn’t seem to be hurting them until rather recently, when it started affecting the larger software world.
And they’ll keep being wrong. But that’s ok, flat earthers still exist too.
Looking forward to the day I boot up a new game and all the characters look like this because I don’t have DLSS 9 enabled
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On the bright side there are more games than anybody can play in a lifetime that already exist. Sucks ass for my favourite hobby and lifelong companion from before my memory begins, but hey.
I mean he’s gotta say people are wrong for not liking it, it’s his job to sell it
True. 8 mean we can’t exactly expect the CEO of an AI company to admit his AI tool produces AI slop. Got to think about shareholder value after all.
Anyway outlaw the stock market and shareholders and this won’t happen again.
His statement reeks of “Don’t you all have phones” energy.
It’s worse…
People are saying it’s AI slop filter, and he won’t shut the fuck up that the slop isn’t a filter, it’s a main ingredient.
When enabled it fundamentally changes how it works.
Developers will be stuck with the default version we’ve seen, or have to devote a shit ton of money to do twice the work for the people who use this, and they won’t see the other version.
Like, this shit is going to get worse and worse the more people understand it.
he wont be able to afford hes new jacket then.
I am not buying anything from Nvidia anymore. Who does he think he is to judge our opinion?
Strong principal Skinners energy. “Does nobody want my AI slop filter? No, it’s the gamers who are wrong.”
Principal Skinner is lovable and charming though…
„No, no! You‘re wrong because…“
And then this charlatan goes on to explain why we‘re right. It‘s exhausting to listen to these gilded clowns.
And they’re gilded in the wealth they’ve fleeced from their workers and their normal, individual consumers.
Prancing and jeering for the AI companies they’ve sold and shackled themselves to.
“completely wrong” and proceeds to say it’s just a “fusion”.
It IS an AI slop filter, and you can take it and shove it up your ass alongside all of your stupid jackets.
he needs the money so he can buy more JACKETS.
Surely this is just a marketing stunt they pulled in the hopes of temporarily pumping share prices or something? Despite their claims that it can be optimized before release, I think there is basically no way they get it running at playable frame rates without a second dedicated graphics card on current gen hardware. They’re going to release it with terrible performance, promise to improve it, a few people who have dual 5090 setups will try it but almost everyone will ignore it, and the promised optimizations will either never materialize or they’ll be much less impactful than promised.
“The reason for that is because, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry and textures and everything about the game with generative AI,” Huang continued.
He seems to be thinking of it as basically a post-processing effect, but it’s certainly the least performant one ever devised. Even if it’s true that the art teams can tweak it to get exactly the effect they want, I find it hard to believe they’d ever be able to get it running on the hardware they’re targeting, so it will just be an expensive novelty for games that want to promise the most bells and whistles.
It’s definitely a stunt for share-holders, not directed at consumers.
Generally if the CEO says it, it’s for the shareholders.
Bro just invented a worse ENB that needs a second 3k GPU to run and is surprised to be called out for how shitty his invention is…
no way they get it running at playable frame rates without a second dedicated graphics card on current gen hardware.
Their marketers are salivating at the thought.
I’ve heard a number of creators try talking about how this is a good thing actually and it is just misunderstood… And I’ve got to say: after it’s come out that nvidia has threatened creators in the past… I really think it starts getting obvious who’s still kissing the ring. This is some emperors new clothes shit.
If nvidia can’t just make a better card anymore cool. No worries. Want to get into bed with the industrial military complex? Great. Message recieved. Want to overwrite an artists design with filters? Stay the fuck in your lane. You design chips that draw what they are told. If you can’t do that right anymore then get out of our industry and make room for someone who can.
Todd Howard is slop-pilled. RIP elder scrolls and fallout.
If Starfield didn’t murder everyone’s hope for their future titles I don’t know what will…
That ship sailed with the 97th release of Skyrim.
His boss is a former AI slop queen bitch at MS. Before that she headed Product engineering of facebookchat and insta DM as a VP. I don’t think I need to tell anyone how much more of a hellscape those became under her tenure.
I’m increasingly happy my hardware is a generation behind and incompatible with this shit.
To be fair who has two 5090s laying around to use this crap? This isn‘t so much a „generation behind“ thing and more of a „overpriced luxury toy for the top .01%“. There is no market for this. It‘s all smoke and mirrors.
This needs TWO 5090 to work, so even current generation is not enough.
Same, I have a 3090 that’s a secondary card in my system used only for video rendering because of how well it processes with NVENC. All my gaming GPUs are AMD now.
Only one? I got a newish computer, but I use my old ibm Thinkpad with an i5 and igpu, plus my steam deck, way more than that thing for gaming. The Thinkpad is mainly for nostalgia and a forever, but oddly non nuclear, war in civ V.
It’s one thing to defend AI slop; but my god, why does his answer sound like AI slop?
CEOs have all sounded the same for years now. Add in LLM talking points regularly and they all sound like robots with a broken speech unit
hes the source of all the hype.
These people are likely conversing with AI daily… If you talk to AI a lot… It’ll rub off on you. At least that’s my guess from a neuroscience perspective. It’s like the hive mind effect, basically.
AI just regurgitates what it’s trained on.
Where do you think it comes from? Who do you think is the ceo grand captain of that shitship?
That’s Sami-correct… They don’t really regurgitate as much as they hallucinate/bullshit. Which… Verbatim regurgitation would probably be preferable. Like, how many answers (however wrong or right) do you need? I would love an AI that didn’t bullshit and would just give a simple correct answer and isn’t going to change that based on how you ‘prompt engineer’ it.
maybe he is an AI clone,
Sorry folks, did you think Nvidia executives were focused on faster more efficient chips or engineering cheaper more reliable manufacturering processes? Nope, it’s poor quality AI all the way to the horizon for them.
Oh, and truly dumb looking I’ll fitting jackets to boot
“My shoes are fine, it’s everyone else that smells like dog shit.”
But guys, did you hear that it’s generative?
Calling it now: Jensen Huang’s mind has been emptied and replaced with AI chips. That’s why he just spouts AI generated nonsense.
Oh the guy trying to sell us the pail of vomit says its actually great? Huh.
Jensen is a dumb, out of touch motherfucker
Oh, he’s very in touch.
With the AI money machine that keeps on printing money and that’s all that matters this and any other CEO in today’s world.
I don’t understand whats going on with rhis dlss 5 stuff. However what I’m looking forward about ai in games is that they probably will be able to create conversations in game where its not scripted, but you can actually talk to the NPC’s
Do not fuck up my games, Jenny
Meaning that we are right.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 7 minutes ago
By the amount and intensity that this man tries to sell his garbage through sheer bluff and bs you’d think he’s running to be President someday.