Poor Lonnie. May he cry himself to sleep on his MyPillow tonight.
they had profits in 2025? too many ok with buying nazi products
Tesla profit tanked 46% in 2025 | TechCrunch
Submitted 2 weeks ago by some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/28/tesla-earnings-profit-q4-2025/
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expatriado@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Way too many, fuck that Nazi and his shit company
morto@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
A lot of people are too alienated from everything, or can’t make relationships between brands and what’s behind them, because everything not directly visible in front of us is too abstract for them, and there’s those who are like “all brands are terrible, it won’t make any difference anyway”. Well, and there’s the nazi sympathizers…
Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 weeks ago
I’ve been considering getting an electric car, and have been researching good models, and I can’t believe how many places are still recommending Tesla. I know the fediverse is far lefter than most other places, but I thought at the very least the general population had stopped trusting Musk and his scams.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I switched all my EVs over to GM-related products and, despite a variety of differences, some good some bad, I am overall happy and fine with the change.
paequ2@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Hyundai Ionic 6 (sedan) or Ionic 5 (suv). I have the Ionic 6. It’s great! Even better than my old Model 3 because I can use Android Auto. AND I haven’t had the 6 reboot on me during highway driving.
(My Model 3 once rebooted while I was driving on the highway.)
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I rode in a Tesla last week. Some of the tech is better than what I’ve experienced in other vehicles. To be fair, a lot of the controls are way worse and key functions are buried in screens and menus that are difficult to find.
I’ll never own a Tesla, but I do hope the always on wireframe view of everything around you comes to other vehicles. It’s way easier to see pedestrians and cross traffic in a parking spot on that screen than it is the 360 camera view on our new Traverse which is only available in reverse and for a few seconds after shifting to forward.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
People need to get their teslas branded with a fucking swastika, Tarantino style.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Suower popular in Australia, lots of we Aussies are disappointingly Nazi adjacent :(
Also very popular in Norway, Turkey etc etc
Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
“Profits”. It’s all just Three-card Monte but “legal” since the laws don’t apply to the rich.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Everyone should be cutting Tesla, Google, Microsoft, apple, meta etc etc out of their lives as much as possible.
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I totally agree. While I do have a Google account, I haven’t used it in many months, and my tablet and phones have never been signed in to begin with. I guess you might consider my mobile Android devices as ‘virgin’ devices, and I don’t mean Virgin Mobile.
I did break my hiatus from Google briefly tonight, just to ask Google Docs to write a document to compare and contrast AI slop versus reality…
Anyways, I’m done with Google again for as long as I can avoid it. But I’m still leaving the account active, if for no other reason than my YouTube videos (not like I’m even making any money off my random stuff)…
Cherry@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Have you tried libre office as an alternative to MS or Google. It’s pretty decent.
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And their portfolios.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
And let me guess, stonk went up still?
It’s not about the companies, it’s a gamble stock, divorced from the performance of the company.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yes, because while they had lower profits than previously, they still had higher profits than expected. This market behavior is in no way unique or limited to Tesla or “meme stocks”. If a company increases profits, but less than expected, their stock usually drop despite increased profit. It’s because value is tied to actual results vs. expected results on the short term.
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Because the stock market doesn’t care about reality. It is just a bunch of rich guys trading money between each other, and they have enough to not need us.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lukewarm take: all stocks are meme stocks.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, but even then you’d expect the faltering to be reflected, just earlier. As the analysts estimate low profits you’d expect the stock to suffer a sharp decline then.
Given how overvalued Tesla is arguably in general and that the rationalization is that while it’s not the biggest and best brand now, but their growth trajectory should carry them past all the other automakers, it’s insane that they are only down 11% from their late december highs, and still showing a $1.4 trillion market cap…
It’s not a company that looks like growth nor do their current results look to justify that crazy valuation. They are valued at 3x Ford, GM, Toyota, and Honda combined, despite having more modest business results than any of them.
Yes, this local move upward on beating estimates despite a bad result is normal, but the broader trend of this stock is still anything but.
They squandered their reputation to gain political clout that seems to have evaporated and are locked into EVs in a market where that’s no longer subsidized and a great deal of EV interest is muted now and other manufacturers are able to push out compelling EV cars. You know that Musk is going to take your money and spend it how he sees fit including obscene bonuses to himself…
I just don’t understand Tesla investors at all at this point…
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Sales are down worldwide, and it’s so bad that he just announced he’s ending production on two of his product lines, the S and X series, abandoning his “SEXY” branding strategy.
The stock is only staying afloat because it’s in the portfolio of so many institutional investment accounts. With each dropping earning report, the stock is going to slowly slide, and eventually those institutional investment accounts will start dropping it. Then he’s finished.
Tesla will be bankrupt in two years.
Pringles@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I just checked and of course the stock went up.
midas22@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
It went up in the post market yesterday (completely insane) but today it’s down again since it’s following the rest of the market. The real valuation should be around $20 though so it’s still… slightly overvalued.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I honestly don’t know how Musks companies work.
Tesla makes cars. Cars don’t sell, so profit drops. Musk uses SpaceX to buy Teslas. Tesla’s profit declines, Musk says it’s an AI company, then buys AI from his other AI company, which he funded from Tesla stock. Musk buys Twitter, twitter goes down in value. Musk buys Twitter from himself using xAI, for higher than its market value, then boasts stock gains?
So now Tesla is going to buy AI from himself, and build robots that were just pantomimed guys in suits… and somehow… profit???
I don’t know what the fuck is going on in this world.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s simple in its principal, really…
- you have multiple companies
- one company (A) have some supply for some product
- on the other company (B), you create demand for that product (i.e. for its operation)
- thus, under your control, you make company A and B enter a trade agreement
- as someone who brokered that deal, you get rewarded (e.g. from brokerage fee, or commision)
- sometimes, by having a massive increase in sales, the stock for company A would increase, thus you can sell a little bit of it, which you can later buy back after the stock price goes back down
- profit
Some facts:
- even though they’re your companies, you are a separate entity from them, and they are each its own entity
- the money comes from the investors as well as profit, remember that they are separate
- no, you cannot just take all the companies’ money, since even though they’re yours, there are other people at stake
So you basically come up with some excuse for moving stuff around, then you come up with some excuse to siphon off some of that good stuff.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Fuck that shit. Companies being their own legal entity was a mistake.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He’s Elizabeth Holmes on a global scale. He grifts money from the governments
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
midas22@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
The Tesla stock is the biggest bubble we have ever seen. Short it on the market with the right timing and you will become filthy rich. It will crash, there’s no way they can deliver to this valuation ever… the only question is exactly when. It’s difficult to predict since it doesn’t follow any logical rules in the short term.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Tesla’s board:
hey, I know, let’s give the guy who sieg heil’d a dementia-ridden psychopathic racist twice on national television a trillion dollars this year as a comp package.
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
The fact that it isnt completely under is unacceptable.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Stock price went from $430 to $450.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The car manufacturer is a front for the
money laundryinvestment vehiclemycodesucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Every 3rd car is a Tesla where I am. Many of which are newer models. At this point I feel like people are unable to vote with their wallet.
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
To be honest, coming from a near-launch Tesla Model 3 into the current EV market… most alternatives available in the US suck for various reasons.
I had a Polestar 3, which was great, until the AC was inconsistent on the Driver side. Only had it for 45 days before it was in for Service at Volvo 150 miles away… And has been there since last April. Still paying on it every month and having to maintain insurance… I’m still trying to get it returned as a lemon via lawyers now nearly 9 months later. In the interim I went through several Volvo, Kia, Mercedes, and Hyundai EV rentals, and talking to a coworker who has an EV Mustang. All of them felt like EV afterthoughts made just so they could say they have EV options.
The American brands almost exclusively use the same base vehicles and even interiors as their non-EV options and thus there are arbitrary things that just don’t need to be there and make it feel like they’re just making a car to say they have one (which is exactly what they’re doing).
For instance, my biggest pet peeve is having a Start/Stop button as if the thing still had an engine. There’s no need to have it since the cars are on all the time anyway. Its just an unnecessary step both when getting in and leaving the car. And it artificially prevents you from interacting with the vehicle like rolling down windows or the roof cover while it’s “off”. It’s small, but just shows it wasn’t designed to be an EV, they just took the same shit from before and dropped an EV powertrain in and called it a day.
Several brands also use the same outsourced platform like GM’s Ultima platform. So every one of those vehicles feels the same regardless of the brand it’s under, or the slightly different exteriors. The interiors are nearly identical and use GM parts regardless of brand. The Honda Prologue that I got after my Model 3 while waiting to see about new offerings in a few years, doesn’t feel like a Honda at all. It drives and feels like a Chevy Blazer. Because it is.
The only EVs I’ve driven that actually felt like they took advantage of being an EV were from EV companies, no legacy automakers. Tesla, Polestar, Lucid, Rivian. Everyone else the vehicle felt like an afterthought, especially after driving a Tesla for nearly 5 years, and those were often at 1.5-2x the cost for fewer bells and whistles. My current Prologue purchased before the EV credits went away was almost the same cost as my Model 3 back in 2018, and it’s nowhere near the same quality or capability. And that’s saying something if you know Tesla quality.
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
To your point about the start/stop button; would this not be an anti-theft / security feature? Otherwise, what would stop someone who broke in from just driving away with the vehicle?
You obviously have way more experience with various EVs than I do, but just curious your thoughts in that regard.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
My wife and I have BYD vehicles. My first EV was a Model 3. BYD is decades ahead of Tesla as cars go. We’ve had themfor 3 years, and have nothing bad to say about them. We’ll, that’s not entirely true, the original floor mats are shit, pretty, but shit.
jdhdbdk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am from Europe where Teslas are less prevalent. And I bought an Hyundai Ioniq 6 and I am really happy with it. Good range, large interior, good assistance systems. I also tested the id.3, a Volvo and an Audi and in my opinion they all were totally fine too.
I have the car now for 3 years and only had a little problem with a non working AC which was promptly fixed. In comparison friends who have a Tesla have much more mechanical problems with their cars and if they need a repair, they have much longer waiting times.
In conclusion I am really happy with an EV by a legacy car maker and recommend the Ioniq 6!
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The only EVs I’ve driven that actually felt like they took advantage of being an EV were from EV companies, no legacy automakers. Tesla, Polestar, Lucid, Rivian. Everyone else the vehicle felt like an afterthought
Preach it! I test drove a wide variety of EVs (except tesla) last year while I was looking to replace my car. My experience was largely disappointing:
- Ford and the other American brands felt like they were designed to be disliked. Overpriced and poorly designed.
- Toyota bz4x and the Suburu on the same platform (sunterra? Idr) were nowhere to be found near me.
- The VW ID.4 was… fine, I guess, but the infotainment was buggy and froze for most of the test drive. It’s also plagued with recalls, so I didn’t really trust in the longevity of the vehicle.
There was a used Polestar 2 MY21 launch edition someone traded in near me. I took it for a test drive and fell in love! Even several months in, I’m still excited to get behind the wheel, even for something like a grocery run.
The only thing about it that I am not a fan of is the range, which is ~200mi for MY21. That’s still more than enough me, I maybe need to charge 1-2x a month. Well, that and the slightly underpowered processor for the infotainment makes it a bit sluggish at times.
paequ2@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I had a Model 3 for several years. I didn’t find the quality that great. I actually was surprised how average/slightly shitty it was. The interior of my Kia Niro is way nicer than my Model 3 interior was. Everything feels way more premium on the Niro.
In terms of software, again, my Model 3 wasn’t that great. I constantly had problems with the screen bugging out. Sometimes I couldn’t adjust the air, sometimes ghost cars would appear around me while I was parked, the cars would be twitching out. The worst was when I was driving on a highway, going like 120km/h, and then the whole damn car decides to reboot. Luckily, I was able to continue driving, but the speedometer was gone, the air started blasting (and I couldn’t control it), the radio was stuck (I couldn’t control it).
Yes, the Tesla touchscreen was high res and responsive, but so are modern cars now. I have a Kia Niro with a fantastic screen, high res, responsive, and I can use Android Auto. The interior build quality is also way better than the Model 3 was. I also have an Hyundai Ionic 6, which also has a great screen, also allows Android Auto.
Both the Niro and the Ionic 6 have pretty comparable drive assist features too. Tesla may still be ahead, technically, but other car manufacturers have closed the gap significantly.
I don’t miss Tesla at all.
reddig33@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Some people already bought them and can’t afford to flip them for another car in this economy. Some are in leases that haven’t expired yet.
thejml@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
When I started work at a new location last year the EV charging section of the parking lot was almost exclusively Teslas. Year later and its much more mixed. I regularly see Porsches, BMWs, Polestars, Mustang EVs, and a few Ioniq’s and a Rivian.
frongt@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Depends on where you are. Maybe they did.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same. Bay Area?
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Denver area
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s definitely a breed of douche bag out there whose entire justification is “well I can’t quite afford the Rivian…”
Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fucking outstanding, but we can do better. Down with swasticars.
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve heard that if you spray them with a mix of vinegar and salt, that they’ll likely start rusting and even short circuiting not too long after.
Or so the rumor goes…
Maeve@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
Huh. Bunch of poor people getting kicked off EBT starting January.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The few of those shit boxes I’ve seen around town have all been wrapped, now, unfortunately.
Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I like your moxxy but they’re covered in cameras. I’ll just continue flipping them off in traffic.
dxgsthrr@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
$TSLA fanbois always claim that only Tesla can sell EVs at a profit / with a huge margin (something like $10k per vehicle). Would be interested to see what kind of margin per vehicle they are making now that the tax credits are removed and it appears that much of the profit came from energy storage.
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Those crazy margins lasted for like 2 quarters until it was revealed that one of the main ways they managed it was severely under allocating warranty. It was a neat trick, until vehicles actually started to come back with warranty claims and they realized they literally make the least reliable and most expensive to repair cars on the market. IIRC they were allocating like 1/3 of what Toyota does per-vehicle, which is absolutely insane given the kind of vehicles they make. Hence why they became insanely stingy with warranty claims, and you saw tons of in-warranty repairs being allocated to “goodwill” which is a distinctly different pool from warranty allocation.
The entire company is built on fraud and shell-games with SpaceX/Starlink/Boring Co. and Musk has straight up admitted as much. No one gives a shit and a judge literally ruled he’s allowed to do it because line go up.
I can rant for hours about all the insanely sketchy stuff they’ve done solely for a one quarter boost, and plenty of other stuff where their cost-cutting directly resulted in loss of life.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
plenty of other stuff where their cost-cutting directly resulted in loss of life.
forbes.com/…/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident…
Now we know why DOGE got rid of the NTHSA.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The big change is Chinese EVs coming into Canada. Tesla sales tanked after Heil Hitler but it’s only a matter of time before they enter the US. Tesla only made money for years selling carbon credits.
pimpampoom@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
And yet their stock is skyrocketing, something is not right
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
House of cards
druidjaidan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean it isn’t? It spiked up in September and is flat since and is down like 15% since the beginning of the year. Could it/should it be lower? Perhaps, but it’s not skyrocketing.
Atropos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Somehow stocks will go up.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s slid 8% over the last month. But at a 282 p/e, it could lose 90% and still be overvalued.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not enough.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good, a well deserved ass-beating to the Nazi-in-chief. Fuck Elon and his company.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
As well it should have. You can’t sell many vehicles to people who still remember what nazi’s were. Yet who really cares. In the aftermath of the nazi shit and dropped sales his board cronies paid him a trillion dollar bonus! CEO bonuses work both ways I guess, in this corrupt, fuck you, world.
yopyop@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
/c/mademesmile
verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 weeks ago
The market will stay irrational longer than you can maintain liquidity…
WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You love to see it.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yea, I’m in transition from Apple myself. I’m working on swapping out HomePods next. I have homeassistant. I have a GPU in a server in a nice cool basement. Let’s do this.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even if it got banked 100% it wouldn’t stop his Nazi rhetoric
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
And yet he is still gaining wealth. Needs to be stopped. With a bullet.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Not good enough. Must try harder to bankrult Tesla.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Simply delicious.
xyro@morbier.foo 2 weeks ago
Finally a good news
CAWright@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Giggity
JackDark@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Remember, this is talking about profits, not revenue. They’re still making profit. They did shit profits, but it was more than people expected them to make, so shares went up. Fuck Tesla.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Fucking stocks are like gambling. There’s no rhyme or reason to them.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Especially a meme stock like tesla
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Welcome to the vibe based economy.
regedit@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s worse than gambling. When gambling there’s risk and reward, but bad bets are still the responsibility of the player just like bets that outperform. In stocks, if someone makes a bet and/or the company misses their expected returns, the gambler can sue the company. It’s the only gambling where oops, all losses can still result in payoff for the player by fiduciary class-action lawsuit.
I played meme-stocks in 2020-21. I saw that bullshit first-hand, getting half a dozen emails after quarter misses about suing the company over their failure to meet projections. But half of those companies were just getting fucked with because of the influx of idiots like me doing silly shit with their money! I was blown away by that and suddenly started to see how fucked we were to do anything to stop the cancer that unregulated capitalism has become. Infinite growth, impossible in a finite system, is not only expected, but failure to return positive returns could be met with shareholders suing the company for line not go up high enough reasons.
It’s so messed up.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Investors had a general idea of what was going on at Tesla and thought their profits might be down to 20% of what they were last year, so prices went down before Tesla announced their results. Then the results came out. The results were terrible, but not as terrible as the rumours made it sound. So, share prices went back up a bit.
That makes perfect sense. Stocks are like gambling, where a lot of the bets make sense. This is like the odds on a sports game being very long before an injury report is released, and the odds getting slightly better after the injury report is released and it’s not as bad as feared.
Where TSLA stock makes absolutely no sense is the P/E ratio. That’s the price investors are paying for the shares compared to the earnings per share. An old, reliable company that probably won’t grow very much but that has reliably made a steady profit year after year might have a P/E ratio of 5. Tech stocks that might grow a lot in the future might have a P/E ratio of 20 because the expectation is that they have a lot of room to grow, and that in 5 years their revenues and profits might have tripled.
For a typical car company that’s well run, a P/E ratio of about 5-10 is normal. Volkswagen is at about 8, Toyota is at about 10, Ford is at about 12.
Tesla’s P/E ratio is currently 283.38, and its market cap is $1.386 trillion. So, Tesla investors somehow think that Tesla is going to grow to become hundreds of times its current size and/or massively profitable.
So, the day-to-day movements of Tesla’s stock price make sense in the abstract. Investors assuming bad news sell shares, when the news isn’t as bad as feared, investors buy shares. Where they make no sense at all is that the investors are somehow deluding themselves into thinking this tiny car company is about to do something to juice its share price to the moon, like inventing nuclear fusion, or perfecting a time machine.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the decline was expected, that had already affected the stock price. If you look ONLY at what happens on the day it’s finally official, in writing, then yes it’s counterintuitive. But it’s very easy to not look at just that.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Another way of saying it is that shares had already gone down because this was expected. When it wasn’t quite as bad as expected, they got a little bump back.
midas22@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
P/E ratio is still 280 for Tesla, while it’s like 7 for Toyota. Tesla was valued at like $250 in April and after this report it was almost $450 and not far from all time high. It clearly had not gone down enough.