A few years ago, Amazon chairman Jeff Bezos revealed how he thinks of local PC hardware as antiquated, ready to be replaced by cloud options from companies like AWS and Azure.
Bucha Bull to me.
Submitted 3 days ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to technology@lemmy.world
A few years ago, Amazon chairman Jeff Bezos revealed how he thinks of local PC hardware as antiquated, ready to be replaced by cloud options from companies like AWS and Azure.
Bucha Bull to me.
We went from mass surveillance to hardware confiscation real quick.
These companies are so large that they don’t need the consumer market anymore. The consumer is now the competition. They can essentially purchase the entire planet’s output of computing hardware years in advance to force us out of the market and lease it back to us at inflated rates. All while using all that tensor compute to make everyone’s life a living digital surveillance hell.
Forget Internet freedom, computational liberty is now at risk. Who needs all that expensive legal and technological architecture to steal your data, report on you to the government, and enforce DRM when you can only use rented and approved corporate cloud hardware?
We need to elevate the prosecution of anti-trust to religious inquisition, and burn these companies at the stake. They’re using AI to literally enslave humanity, and it’s working.
I can’t agree with this more, but what’s the plan exactly?
Sounds perfect for some trust-busting action. If only we had a capable government…
Ok. One more time for everyone in the back. Ready?
Tax.
The.
Wealthy.
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Me: sits on 7 different low budget but sturdy PCs 😎
This is essentially market manipulation via speculation. The artificially create scarcity to drive up demand and price. They do it with food, they do it with housing, and they do it with healthcare. The basic things we need to survive are being held by fewer and fewer owners; then held hostage by those owners via monopolization; just to squeeze more from us. The earth is a fucking resort for the 3000 billionaires in this world, and the rest of us are allowed to work here at the pleasure of our overlords.
Everything seems to eventually link back to class war.
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
I’ve been screaming this since Crucial closed up
People have been screaming this since right to repair, since FOSS, since Microsoft in the 90s, since stallman. Consumers consistently lose because the vast majority of people don’t give a shit and politicians that could regulate our way out of this are easily purchased.
To be honest I don’t have any personal digital information that I give a shit about. It’s value is only derived from its ability to identify + track me, either for my convenience or for the highest bidder’s. Computational liberty is only an issue because we’ve made everything digital out of convenience and that mindset has leaked into critical social functions (taxes, law, logistics, healthcare, etc…).
Software and data bloat is more astronomical than most people realize. Only about 10% of persisted data is ever touched again (don’t look up the ecological implications). Amazon could capture 90% of all compute hardware and the entire human race could get by just fine on 10%. We wouldn’t have access to niceties like app stores full of niche apps, 24MP phone cameras, 4k movies, 10 sluggish layers of software abstraction, 15 years of photos you never look at, etc…
But you could run a simple message server on basically any scrap of IoT e-waste. A highly available static website can be hosted with an old phone and a solar panel. Any device (fridge/watch/calculator/pregnancy test) can run Doom. All of Apollo 11’s source code is a fraction of the size of most web pages.
We’re continously expanding our hardware usage for infinitesimally small gains. We should demand that our governments legislate digital austerity for dozens of reasons, just pick what resonates best fit you. Personal privacy, energy usage, ecological damage, corporate capture, information rot, brittle supply chains, national security, etc…
Yes, and also - if something was normal in 80s, it won’t stop being possible in 2030s. In some sense our civilization now is just reveling in the sea of computational power used wastefully.
There was a moment when I moved from an old PC with 512 MB RAM which seemed nice, but was becoming a bit weak for games and all, to a newer C2D PC with 2 GB RAM. I felt it can do anything I’ll ever need. And web aside, it still can do most.
And that old PC, if we compare it to a machine good for year 1999, was very powerful. And 1999 is around Matrix and Phantom Menace, and the X-Wing: Alliance game, and ICQ popularity growing.
More and more resources spent for the same or less social satisfaction. People like talking in money and graphs and industry slang, but honestly social satisfaction is a far better optimized mechanism than these.
Adopting a kitten seems still more satisfying than computing, but the gap in year 1999 was subjectively less than now.
The old technologies that we used to use for websites never really went away. They’re still around, and you can use them to make websites again if you want.
It’s just that it won’t be as fancy looking as a newer web-site, but you don’t lose too much on functionality.
Fantastic alternative insight, thank you.
Sorry to break it for you, but no one actually plays Doom anymore.
We made physical toys and games into something expensive for adults and kicked kids out of the equation.
Now all they have are videogames and the most affordable ones (the ones on PC) are soon to disappear.
I don’t have any personal digital information that I give a shit about
Genuin question. How do you classify your photo’s ? (That’s the data I care about most. almost everything else can be reproduced or is just a pitty if lost)
At this pace they will make owning a compyter illegal. Being everything a remote service governments doesnt need to preoccupy by cryptography and business will not have to worry about addblockers and user profiling will be easier.
Ok so the tactic is to drain the corporations of their money.
I’m doing my part by replacing the aging PCs of my close family with Mini PCs running Linux.
I stocked up on rk3566/rk3588 boards during the pandemic. They make excellent little network appliances or light-duty workstations. Mainline kernel support is now solid for both chipsets.
But they’re businesses and they need to make money!
Won’t someone think of the people taking us for a ride?
Unsurprising that capitalists want to seize all the means of computation for themselves.
Step 1: Raise sales prices artificially Step 2: Create affordable alternatives to rent. Step 3: Wait until enough people claim that its cheaper and more comfortable to just rent. Step 4: Wait until maket is destroyed. Step 6: Raise prices.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy"
Blackstone* They’re the ones doing this to the single family home market. They get far less attention than BlackRock, but pull far shadier shit.
Corrected.
I’ll give up computers entirely before I rent one from you greedy pricks.
yeah you know what i always thought hey this PC cost me a lot, i wish I could keep paying for it indefinitely.
When AWS had the major outage recently, my self-hosted services kept on running. The programs on my Linux machines and other devices I own were also not impacted. Thanks, Jeff, but I’ll stick with my “antiques”. Also, fuck you.
Friends of mine complained they couldn’t watch stuff and I replied “huh, my Plex is working fine.”
Yep, I’ve had one power supply fail in like 15 years. That and power outages was it for downtime on my own equipment. Can’t say that about other services I’ve used.
“Hopes”, more like will be doing a bunch of anti-competitive bullshit to ensure that this is your only option.
I’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy?
Yep, just like feudal times.
Everything a subscription. You’ll own nothing and like it!
And, people, I can’t stress this enough, FUCK JEFF BEZOS!
i will never in my life get any subscription to anything, that doesnt have to be a subscription.
so far i’m fine with:
internet connection and my phone number
Yeah… actually how the fuck are we still paying a subscription for our phone number? That’s frick’n bull-crap!
utilities?
That’s more a bill for what you used.
Thats not a subscription IMO
Neither is rent or food
Yeah bud, maybe if you get just a little more money, you’ll finally be complete. Just a little more money…
Imagine the unparalleled censorship when the far-right tech elites decide what you can do on “your” computer.
One way or another, major company-backed OSes are moving towards that. Checking all your pictures, messages, videos, audio, for your own good. For now it’s creeping on mobile, but don’t worry, it’ll come to a windows near you soon enough.
Good thing at least for now you can uninstall Windows.
Reverse piracy; “Design and store your copyrightable and patentable ideas in our AI incubators!”
Fuck you Jeff.
Nothing is ever enough for these greedy fucks
They have OCD that manifests as economic hoarding. They are mentally ill, and are damaging society worse than any mass shooter. They need to be separated from society, forced to undergo mental health treatment, and their fortunes confiscated.
forced to undergo mental health treatment
Greed is not a mental health issue, is a character flaw
and their fortunes confiscated
100% agreed
Fuck that shit. Switch to Linux.
Good luck with that.
Signed, A person who has recently started pulling all their files from cloud storage like Google Drive and Dropbox
You reminded me. I need to put that new 14TB hard drive to good use and close my other accounts.
Yeah, I’ve not used Google Drive or Dropbox in years but have just let my data sit on their servers.
Now that all these companies want to scrape our files for AI bullshit it felt like a good time to remove it all.
That’s Nvidia’s whole game plan. Subscription to use their hardware. Limits on hours of gaming. Pay to play more hours.
At the same time I’m seeing a bunch of ads for “hardware is getting too expensive, use Akamai cloud for your gaming etc instead, now with AI blah blah!”
Bitch, you’re the reason hardware is so expensive!
Create the problem, then offer an over-priced ‘solution’
How about fuck you Jeff.
You’ll never see me renting a cloud pc bitch
I mean, that’s absolutely where this is going at a business level. Cloud computing has been in the cards for decades, and the only real question is who will do the hosting.
With the price of RAM and CPUs going asymptotic, these big cloud compute companies are building an effective monopoly on high end processing capacity. They’re cornering the market on hardware. Eventually, you either use their computers or you stick with legacy hardware (that’s seeded with Planned Obsolescence time bombs) or you (shudders just to think of it) start buying computers from CHINA.
When you think about it, there’s really only one option.
From an IT operations perspective this makes so much sense they’ve already tried it before. They were called “thin clients” and just had enough compute and network to connect to run remote desktop software.
This greatly reduces the amount of spending you need to build out a large corporate network, and centralizes management just like they already do with stuff like VMWare.
Eh, depends. The price for something like VMware horizon was already damn expensive and that’s before you got to citrix prices (and this is pre broadcom takeover.)
For some places the costs are able to be recouped but it really depends. You still need plenty of scale to have that be viable IME.
My main point being there are a millions of small businesses and medium size ones that are still always going to be far better off with normal physical hardware.
I’m assuming privacy isn’t an issue and they don’t mind Amazon picking the winners in business.
I hope China keeps manufacturing affordable computers and doesn’t go all in on the cloud too. There might be profit in it, but I bet there are politicians in the CPP who would love to have everyone rent cloud computing that’s more easily watched and controlled.
The Chinese government doesn’t want to have to deal with routing the world’s email spam through their domestic servers. Nevermind the nightmare of latency going round trip from a terminal in Sao Paulo to a data center in Beijing, just so some mid-level bureaucrat can know the porn habits of Brazil.
I would say the bigger threat of Chinese hardware is an end to the effective technology embargo the US sanctions regime has imposed on the Global South. Far scarier to Americans than a Chinese bureaucrat with access to the Amazon web store history is a Cuban Communist with a standard of living that outpaces their Miami peers.
Techno-feudalism, ladies and gentlemen.
Of course they want that. So they can control and see everything that people can do on their devices. With Moore’s law there is absolutely no reason why centralizing computers should make sense.
If you want to be financially free, have no debt. Pay off any loans, dont have subscriptions. Make your monthly costs to be as low as possible.
That is freedom but its the opposite of what is advertised.
The only thing people should be giving up is their Amazon Prime subscriptions and AWS hosting. You’re very likely getting ripped off and overcharged if you use AWS. Also although I recommend ordering from other websites if you have no choice but to use Amazon you don’t need Prime for free shipping, just keep adding stuff you actually need to your cart until you get over the free shipping threshold.
So wait is the idea that computers would just be like a monitor that connects directly to Amazon
Every 5 years someone invests a bunch of money into thin client, and then we’re right back where we started.
I’ll believe it’s possible when America’s networking infrastructure isn’t covered in holes.
This has been tried, and it sucked and failed every time.
Murica is a deranged shithole. Linux is our only way out of this. To all hardware manifacturers: Build your goddamn drivers for it and free us!
~cry in the capitalist vacuum…
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 3 days ago
What a fucking joke that would be on US American networks.
We are ranked like 30th in the world for bandwidth. No fiber dropped to the curb. And shit speed wireless like Verizon today.
Bezos is so out of touch it is stupid.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Is he out of touch or has he just recognized that 50% of the economic activity is already from the top 10% of the population?
I get the feeling the wealthy have just written off the bottom 90% of society and don’t actually give a flying fuck if anything works for us or not. He knows his core sales will go to people who do have fiber at their doorstep.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 days ago
Thats the plan, organize yourselves now before they do it for you
alekwithak@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Even Ford, piece of utter feculence he was, understood that if you gave people money and time to spend it they’ll give it right back to you and everyone gets to come up together.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
plus they get to control and censor information much more tightly
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Can we not pretend the problem is solely performance based? People keep doing this with generative AI and it keeps resulting in “oh shit, ghibli AI is so awesome”.
Especially since… can you watch a twitch stream? Congrats, you can stream a desktop. Even back with Stadia it was very much viable to play games like AssCreed over streaming and have a very comparable experience to it being local. And stuff like Geforce Now actually work REALLY well.
The issue shouldn’t be “can you make this perform well enough I want to use it”. It should be about ownership and the implication for… everything if all “personal computers” exist solely in a data center and all documents exist solely in The Cloud and so forth. Preservation of anything becomes nigh impossible and you suddenly have to pay a monthly fee to ever see your kid’s pictures again.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 days ago
As someone who remotes home frequently, no, the experience is not quite right. Packet drop and latency cause lots of input errors and misclicks. Sometimes the local internet decides not to carry your packets, and sometimes even connecting over vpn doesn’t.
You do not want a cloud desktop. You want a physical desktop and supplement with cloud services you can’t run locally.
evol@lemmy.today 3 days ago
People will surrender all ownership if you can provide more content more cheaper and conveniently, ownership is much lower on most people’s priority than ownership
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Then people still flock up on centralised systems.
Don’t even dare to do P2P 😅!
unabart@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I had to sign up for DSL this week in Frankfurt, DE as my neighborhood didn’t have cable or fiber internet. Don’t think that we’re gonna be cloud-ready any time in the next 50 years. DSL. Frankfurt. Major city.
9point6@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Satellite TV was much more popular compared to cable generally in European countries, so phone lines make up the bulk of wired networking in a lot of places, making DSL a pretty practical option without having to lay a whole network. I get the feeling in countries where cable is much more common, DSL is reserved for the last resort level of service, whereas in Europe many of the telecoms make sure to deploy the latest standards.
I finally swapped to 1gbps fibre a year or two ago, but before that I was on about 250mbps with G.Fast DSL that honestly wasn’t bad at all. I believe the theoretical limits go much higher than that too
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Yeah but Germany is well known in Europe for being technologically in the stone age.
theolodis@feddit.org 2 days ago
Frankfurt Oder or Frankfurt Main?
ebolapie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I feel like desktop as a service might work pretty well in a world where municipal fiber was commonplace but it’s the damnedest thing, the billionaire aligned politicians banned it in a bunch of places
Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Like with all tech, we will build the infrastructure with our tax’s, and Jeff will sell it back to us.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Add to it that we all carry pocket computers nowadays with more than enough processing power to do basically any sane thing.
What a completely 1980 idea.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Hey! Whoa! That’s uncalled for!!!
…being a human dildo sounds quite fun!
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
To be clear, fiber is missing in many places, but it’s not just for billionaires. I have it and I live in a very small, very insignificant town.
I used to live in San Diego, in the middle of a very dense section of the city, though… And zero fiber options were there. I was paying $80 a month for 400 down and 15 up. So embarrassing…
I get 1gbit up and down now for $40 a month.
So, it’s bullshit, and I agree with you. But fiber does exist. I don’t have any idea why some areas get it, and others don’t, but in San Diego the issue was non-compete agreements between ISP’s.
DrFistington@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They build the pipeline for themselves, we won’t know about it or have access