The original block post is rather frank and to the point. Wish the engineering leadership I worked with communicated this well.
Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
Submitted 3 weeks ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/02/zig_quits_github_microsoft_ai_obsession/
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treadful@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
In the end, we opted for a simple strategy, sidestepping GitHub’s aggressive vendor lock-in: leave the existing issues open and unmigrated, but start counting issues at 30000 on Codeberg so that all issue numbers remain unambiguous. Let us please consider the GitHub issues that remain open as metaphorically “copy-on-write”.
Do you know anything about the referenced vendor lock-in?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Basically all the stuff that is build by GitHub and not part of git. Like the pull request discussion boards that is not stored in the git repository
treadful@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s just that all your shit and users are there, like issue tracking in this case.
Deestan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fucking lunacy of the AI bros he lists as examples…
edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
GitHub, more like QuitHub, amirite?
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Codeberg doesn’t need billions of users… Just the right ones.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I don’t think github has billions of users.
Klear@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
For great justice
hayvan@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
What you say!
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Take off every Zig!
wewbull@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
All your codebase belong to us!
Jinarched@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I can hear the song so clearly by just watching this picture.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
If you’re into emulation, it’s a legitimately good sidescrolling shmup, and if I remember right, the music was great as well.
It’s just that absymal translation that launched it into meme status.
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I wish Microsoft keeps up with its AI obsession and push as much as possible. At some point they’ll realize the reputation damage, but the longer it will take the better. Just stop the negative publicity
Zink@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Alright fine, I can tolerate the little ✨AI ✨ sparkles in my M365 webpages a while longer if it means more kaboom at the end.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The publicity will have little impact; only the AI bubble popping will make them change course. But the damage is already done - they’ve pivoted their company to AI, forced it into all there products and force their employees to use it. Once the bubble pops that’s going to take time to undo and fix.
AI of course will still be a thing, but at the moment they’re wasting billions on it as everyone wants to be to AI as Google is to search.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Yeah but what does the corporate world do when Microsoft implodes and releases “Windows 12 agentic AI” the operating system, co developed between AI and athletic employees?
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t be so sure they will double down on it forever. I remember too many stupid MS actions like early 2010’s convergence and metro UI because touchscreens and shit, where is it now?
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 2 weeks ago
IDK, the amount of abuse people have withstood only to keep using MS platforms is astounding. Some people would rather use trash than learn a new platform.
wuffah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Move ZIG for great justice!
projectsquared@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Greetings, fellow internet pioneer! Don’t forget to take us up the bomb!
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Make your time
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
…take off every zig
Nomecks@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
We know what you doing
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Somebody set us up the bomb!
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Make your time.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 2 weeks ago
What you say??!!
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Keep joining Codeberg!
mintiefresh@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I think it’s time I migrate over there too. Seems like the water is fine over there.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
…The same Zig that left LLVM, to make their own compiler from scratch?
This is good. But also, this is sort of in character for Zig.
TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IIRC, the difference here is that Zig’s plan had always been to make their own compiler, but had to use LLVM to get started and, more cynically, to try and get some LLVM contributors interested in the project so they could essentially poach them.
I am pretty sure I have seen a video interview of Andrew Kelley transparently saying that ages ago but I’ll try and find it to link it here.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I’ve never even heard of Zig before today and it’s right out of the gate with drama, cat fights, and public spats. Got to love the programming world.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s interesting.
I dunno if that’s any better. Compiler development is hard, and expensive.
I dunno what issue they have with LLVM, but it would have to be massive to justify building around it and then switching away to re-invent it.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 2 weeks ago
I feel like I’m in good company, I moved my stuff to my own forgejo instance about two month ago because finally I had some time to set one up. I wanted to do it for years because it was embarrysing to host open source code on a closed source platform ran by Microsoft. But my main kick in the but to really just do it was their CEO told his workers to embrace AI or get out: https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8 I knew this is not the place to be anymore.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I’ve been enjoying zig.
It feels like when I go to write C, but without a bunch of code churn/copy paste on getting just the right memory management interface.
It’s not perfect, and the API churn makes it really annoying to find decent documentation. But it’s fun.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
You might like Odin.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I think the next language I’ll learn will be rust, but Odin has been recommended to me a couple times now.
I do want to try that one out
sunbeam60@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The build system was basically a black box until 0.14.
devolution@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Xbox. Lol. Microsoft has the Mierda touch.
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think of it as the Shidas Touch
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Shitass touch
vogi@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Love Codeberg. Just wish there would also be HackerHill, BytePeak and SoftwareSummit with federation!
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I love that Codeberg exists, but there’s one thing I kinda dislike.
I’d like to use the same forge for my private projects (hey, a couple of them may make money one day! I gotta eat too) as I do for open source stuff, but Codeberg is explicitly open source only.
It’s a minor thing, really. Which I could get past by using another Forgejo instance, like Codefloe. But these smaller instances, how long will they be around?
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
I see this as a feature not bug, and tbh kinda resent those who hoard information and try to extract wealth from it. Extremely rude to the giants whose shoulders your work is built on. I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Let me guess… Thanks to this “bug” Microsoft / GitHub are charging their paying costumers for something that otherwise would be just idle time. 🤔
biofaust@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I am a wanna-be coding data analyst who has decided to start directly in Codeberg, more because of anti-US than anti-AI sentiment.
I have 2 questions for everyone more experienced than me and in general more knowledgeable of the market dynamics:
- How far is Forgejo/Codeberg from feature parity with Github?
- I don’t see any public SaaS/tools connecting to Codeberg as they are with Github. Is this by design or is it due to lack of reception? And, in your opinion, what would be a kind of service/connector that would really change things if made available for Codeberg?
termaxima@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Go go gadget-o Codeberg !
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s ruining every product and service actually!
vogi@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Im eyeing Zig for a long time also as the core developers behind it seem to be really cool and drama free. Which, i know, is no argument for an programming language but cool non the less. Just hope the language itself is also cool to work with.
demizerone@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ugggh I’ve been wanting to migrate for months. RIP GitHub.
axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Don’t see why this even needs to be news.
Zig is just mid anyway as a programming language, partly because its just a new masturbatory Lang for C people and partly because of Andrew’s poor, shepherding of the project.
I don’t think Andrew is notable enough to bother having a full article about the things he does.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I feel that
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I wish Microsoft keeps up with its AI obsession and push as much as possible. At some point they’ll realize the reputation damage, but the longer it will take the better. Just stop the negative publicity
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Microsoft has gone all-in on AI to the detriment of basically every other aspect of their business. They are in deep deep shit when the bubble finally pops.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And I am so ready for the bubble to burst.
15% of the total United States GDP is a single company. I struggle to comprehend the scale of that, but one thing is for certain; it’s going to bite us in the ass eventually.
kinsnik@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
no, it is not. you struggle to comprehend it because it is not true. it is comparing different things. one is a valuation, the other is the value of goods and services over a year. the comparision would be with yearly revenue of a company
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Stock valuation of a company is not calculated int the GDP. Only domestic revenue is. There is no company that makes trillions in revenue.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
15% of American GDP is approximately $4.57 trillion.
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It’s not one company, but the top 5 companies make up 40% of South Korea’s economy, with the top 30 76.9% of their GDP. It’s scary to imagine the power they wield.
PrinceOfSloth@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
dont worry govt bailouts with public money with will come in. Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
rhubarb@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not socialism, it’s welfare.
jali67@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Completely gave up on the console wars thing too for AI. Such ridiculous leadership by Sadya
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Azure might keep them afloat but everything else will likely crumble and they’ll have to downsize to mostly just being a cloud provider.
Dojan@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Gods I wish for this.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Don’t worry, they have like 250 ERPs too. And they’re way more expensive than, say, Odoo, though I guess not as expensive as SAP.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Sorta like AWS and Amazon (but that Microsoft may crumble?)
Rooty@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fingers crossed 🤞
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Microsoft’s business model has always been getting businesses who are even stupider than them to give them tons of money. Nothing is ever going to change that calculus.
clot27@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
like any other tech giant