The original block post is rather frank and to the point. Wish the engineering leadership I worked with communicated this well.
Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service
Submitted 2 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/02/zig_quits_github_microsoft_ai_obsession/
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treadful@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
In the end, we opted for a simple strategy, sidestepping GitHub’s aggressive vendor lock-in: leave the existing issues open and unmigrated, but start counting issues at 30000 on Codeberg so that all issue numbers remain unambiguous. Let us please consider the GitHub issues that remain open as metaphorically “copy-on-write”.
Do you know anything about the referenced vendor lock-in?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Basically all the stuff that is build by GitHub and not part of git. Like the pull request discussion boards that is not stored in the git repository
treadful@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
It’s just that all your shit and users are there, like issue tracking in this case.
Deestan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The fucking lunacy of the AI bros he lists as examples…
edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 months ago
GitHub, more like QuitHub, amirite?
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Codeberg doesn’t need billions of users… Just the right ones.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I don’t think github has billions of users.
Klear@quokk.au 1 month ago
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
For great justice
hayvan@feddit.nl 1 month ago
What you say!
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Take off every Zig!
wewbull@feddit.uk 1 month ago
All your codebase belong to us!
Jinarched@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I can hear the song so clearly by just watching this picture.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
If you’re into emulation, it’s a legitimately good sidescrolling shmup, and if I remember right, the music was great as well.
It’s just that absymal translation that launched it into meme status.
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I wish Microsoft keeps up with its AI obsession and push as much as possible. At some point they’ll realize the reputation damage, but the longer it will take the better. Just stop the negative publicity
Zink@programming.dev 1 month ago
Alright fine, I can tolerate the little ✨AI ✨ sparkles in my M365 webpages a while longer if it means more kaboom at the end.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The publicity will have little impact; only the AI bubble popping will make them change course. But the damage is already done - they’ve pivoted their company to AI, forced it into all there products and force their employees to use it. Once the bubble pops that’s going to take time to undo and fix.
AI of course will still be a thing, but at the moment they’re wasting billions on it as everyone wants to be to AI as Google is to search.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Yeah but what does the corporate world do when Microsoft implodes and releases “Windows 12 agentic AI” the operating system, co developed between AI and athletic employees?
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I wouldn’t be so sure they will double down on it forever. I remember too many stupid MS actions like early 2010’s convergence and metro UI because touchscreens and shit, where is it now?
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 1 month ago
IDK, the amount of abuse people have withstood only to keep using MS platforms is astounding. Some people would rather use trash than learn a new platform.
wuffah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Move ZIG for great justice!
projectsquared@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Greetings, fellow internet pioneer! Don’t forget to take us up the bomb!
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Make your time
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
…take off every zig
Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
We know what you doing
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Somebody set us up the bomb!
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Make your time.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 1 month ago
What you say??!!
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Keep joining Codeberg!
mintiefresh@piefed.social 1 month ago
Yeah, I think it’s time I migrate over there too. Seems like the water is fine over there.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
…The same Zig that left LLVM, to make their own compiler from scratch?
This is good. But also, this is sort of in character for Zig.
TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
IIRC, the difference here is that Zig’s plan had always been to make their own compiler, but had to use LLVM to get started and, more cynically, to try and get some LLVM contributors interested in the project so they could essentially poach them.
I am pretty sure I have seen a video interview of Andrew Kelley transparently saying that ages ago but I’ll try and find it to link it here.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I’ve never even heard of Zig before today and it’s right out of the gate with drama, cat fights, and public spats. Got to love the programming world.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s interesting.
I dunno if that’s any better. Compiler development is hard, and expensive.
I dunno what issue they have with LLVM, but it would have to be massive to justify building around it and then switching away to re-invent it.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 month ago
I feel like I’m in good company, I moved my stuff to my own forgejo instance about two month ago because finally I had some time to set one up. I wanted to do it for years because it was embarrysing to host open source code on a closed source platform ran by Microsoft. But my main kick in the but to really just do it was their CEO told his workers to embrace AI or get out: https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8 I knew this is not the place to be anymore.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I’ve been enjoying zig.
It feels like when I go to write C, but without a bunch of code churn/copy paste on getting just the right memory management interface.
It’s not perfect, and the API churn makes it really annoying to find decent documentation. But it’s fun.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
You might like Odin.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I think the next language I’ll learn will be rust, but Odin has been recommended to me a couple times now.
I do want to try that one out
sunbeam60@feddit.uk 1 month ago
The build system was basically a black box until 0.14.
devolution@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Xbox. Lol. Microsoft has the Mierda touch.
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think of it as the Shidas Touch
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Shitass touch
vogi@piefed.social 1 month ago
Love Codeberg. Just wish there would also be HackerHill, BytePeak and SoftwareSummit with federation!
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I love that Codeberg exists, but there’s one thing I kinda dislike.
I’d like to use the same forge for my private projects (hey, a couple of them may make money one day! I gotta eat too) as I do for open source stuff, but Codeberg is explicitly open source only.
It’s a minor thing, really. Which I could get past by using another Forgejo instance, like Codefloe. But these smaller instances, how long will they be around?
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
I see this as a feature not bug, and tbh kinda resent those who hoard information and try to extract wealth from it. Extremely rude to the giants whose shoulders your work is built on. I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 1 month ago
Let me guess… Thanks to this “bug” Microsoft / GitHub are charging their paying costumers for something that otherwise would be just idle time. 🤔
biofaust@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I am a wanna-be coding data analyst who has decided to start directly in Codeberg, more because of anti-US than anti-AI sentiment.
I have 2 questions for everyone more experienced than me and in general more knowledgeable of the market dynamics:
- How far is Forgejo/Codeberg from feature parity with Github?
- I don’t see any public SaaS/tools connecting to Codeberg as they are with Github. Is this by design or is it due to lack of reception? And, in your opinion, what would be a kind of service/connector that would really change things if made available for Codeberg?
termaxima@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Go go gadget-o Codeberg !
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It’s ruining every product and service actually!
vogi@piefed.social 1 month ago
Im eyeing Zig for a long time also as the core developers behind it seem to be really cool and drama free. Which, i know, is no argument for an programming language but cool non the less. Just hope the language itself is also cool to work with.
demizerone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ugggh I’ve been wanting to migrate for months. RIP GitHub.
axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Don’t see why this even needs to be news.
Zig is just mid anyway as a programming language, partly because its just a new masturbatory Lang for C people and partly because of Andrew’s poor, shepherding of the project.
I don’t think Andrew is notable enough to bother having a full article about the things he does.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I feel that
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I wish Microsoft keeps up with its AI obsession and push as much as possible. At some point they’ll realize the reputation damage, but the longer it will take the better. Just stop the negative publicity
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Microsoft has gone all-in on AI to the detriment of basically every other aspect of their business. They are in deep deep shit when the bubble finally pops.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And I am so ready for the bubble to burst.
15% of the total United States GDP is a single company. I struggle to comprehend the scale of that, but one thing is for certain; it’s going to bite us in the ass eventually.
kinsnik@lemmy.world 2 months ago
no, it is not. you struggle to comprehend it because it is not true. it is comparing different things. one is a valuation, the other is the value of goods and services over a year. the comparision would be with yearly revenue of a company
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Stock valuation of a company is not calculated int the GDP. Only domestic revenue is. There is no company that makes trillions in revenue.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 2 months ago
15% of American GDP is approximately $4.57 trillion.
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
It’s not one company, but the top 5 companies make up 40% of South Korea’s economy, with the top 30 76.9% of their GDP. It’s scary to imagine the power they wield.
PrinceOfSloth@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
dont worry govt bailouts with public money with will come in. Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
rhubarb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not socialism, it’s welfare.
jali67@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Completely gave up on the console wars thing too for AI. Such ridiculous leadership by Sadya
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Azure might keep them afloat but everything else will likely crumble and they’ll have to downsize to mostly just being a cloud provider.
Dojan@pawb.social 1 month ago
Gods I wish for this.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Don’t worry, they have like 250 ERPs too. And they’re way more expensive than, say, Odoo, though I guess not as expensive as SAP.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Sorta like AWS and Amazon (but that Microsoft may crumble?)
Rooty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Fingers crossed 🤞
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Microsoft’s business model has always been getting businesses who are even stupider than them to give them tons of money. Nothing is ever going to change that calculus.
clot27@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
like any other tech giant