No time for learning, only tests
Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
Submitted 5 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Juice@midwest.social 5 months ago
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 months ago
Imagine falling for this boomer rage bait when half the details are obviously and clearly censored.
toppy@lemy.lol 5 months ago
Next schools will start removing textbooks because students cannot read. They will replace with audio books.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 5 months ago
People reading this comment might think it’s absurd. But sadly it is more than likely true and will happen soon. Why burden students with the hard work of learning - you might hurt their feelings
m4xie@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Father, I cannot click the book!
vane@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Schools removing books as teenagers cannot read them.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I had to chec the community to verify I didn’t accidentally open c/fakeconservativememes
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 5 months ago
45 year old here…I’m pretty sure I’ve never bought an analog clock and I think it would be weird for a school—or any place, really—to have one. I’m not surprised kids don’t learn outdated technology and anybody who is mad about it should pick up a slide rule.
Decoy321@lemmy.world 5 months ago
BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Every school i have been in has them, even last week. Many lesson plans include analog clock stuff because its another way to deal with fractions, and help kids learn analog in case they are in an old building or subway/airport that has analog clocks. It’s not quite obsolete yet.
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If the yung-uns have no drive to turn back time and actually use and develop their brains, because my gen isn’t going to rescue them and the boomers have also fallen into the internet trap. It’s on them to save themselves, really.
If these trends keep going the way they are then idiocracy becomes reality.
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 5 months ago
Idiocracy won’t happen.
The smart people aren’t going to prepare a solution. And the planet will probably cook before then anyway.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We are already there
pir8t0x@ani.social 5 months ago
Teenagers not being able to tell the time from analogue clocks is CRAZY (saying this as a teenager myself)
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They can’t use a slide rule either. What are they teaching in these schools??
Mickey7@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Of course it’s crazy but in our current clown world they are not dumb but somehow victims
pir8t0x@ani.social 5 months ago
Nah, they’re definitely dumb in my opinion. My parents and my friends would call me dumb for sure if I couldn’t tell time from analogue clocks. And are you sure this doesn’t only apply to specific countries?
pir8t0x@ani.social 5 months ago
Are we being serious right now bro?! 🤦
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Every year I taught for the past 30 years I have heard this but I will say that every year I had to go over how to read a clock at the beginning of the year and every time a kid would ask me what time it is I would point at the clock and ask them what time they think it is? At least they left the class knowing how to read a clock even though they were shit at writing essays.
zerofk@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
About thirty years ago I was a teen. I remember talking with a girl only a few years younger than me, and being astounded that she didn’t know how to read an analogue clock.
Exactly as you indicated, this is nothing new.
relativestranger@feddit.nl 5 months ago
my sister (born in the late 1970s) graduated from high school and tech college without being able to tell time on a regular clock.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Who would believe this nonsense?
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I don’t really get it. Snopes says “mostly false”, but then confirms that the UK made a recommendation to replace analog clock for digital ones because “some students had trouble estimating the remaining time”.
While OOP is a shortcut/overgeneralization, it doesn’t sound “mostly false” to me.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
It could be to deal with learning disabilities not the average kid which makes it mostly false.
Also a recommendation doesn’t mean it happened.
Karl@literature.cafe 5 months ago
Some ppl who just badly want to be angry.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This article is old enough to buy cigarettes now.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Still fake too.
rirus@feddit.org 5 months ago
They are too loud, I had to insist to put the clock down and take the batteries out, since the ticking was too loud.
Tomato666@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Being older (mid fifties) I was taught the analogue clock. My eyes no longer work so well for reading, and an analogue clock face allows you to see the hands and know the time without having to work out where I’ve left my glasses. On my phone’s sleep screen I’m using large high contrast digits so I guess I’m using both styles. Also much easier to visualise time deltas on a clock face.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 5 months ago
But the point wasn’t about vision but the simple intelligence needed to read an analog clock
tlmcleod@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Looks like .world is nothing but ableist assholes. From what I understand it’s a lot of reddit refugees, so that tracks.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 5 months ago
I feel like I’m going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks, how it needs too much understanding of maths, how it takes too long,…
Can someone please confirm: you just look, for a fraction of a second, at the clock face and know the time, right?
Learning to read the clock was like… A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Understanding the concept is fast. Getting good at sight-reading a clock face actually takes time to get familiar with it. If you only ever really see the clock in school, and You can choose to ignore it for phones or other digital clocks, you’re never gonna get good enough at it that you’ll be as fast as checking a phone.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Learning to read the clock was like… A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
Yes, this meme is pretty obviously fake.
F0od@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not exactly responding to you, but wanted to post somewhere where people would see it (hopefully)
We are not removing clocks or the standards, but it is not as important as many other standards in my grade level and 3rd grade. As a joke, I am going to bring a kid to our intervention team who can’t tell time as his only academic issue. We will all get a good laugh out of it.
Every 2nd/3rd grade teacher I’ve worked with believes their students can tell time by the end of the year. This being said, regression is a well known phenomenon in education over breaks, but this is regression is due to analog clocks disappearing in society I assume and devastating to a newly acquired skill. Here are the 2nd grade standards, I would say this and counting money have become completely unsupported at home in my Title 1 school. Most teachers I have ever met care about kids and want them to learn, but there is only so much to do. They spend a lot more time out of school in their childhood than other places. Do the math!
2.OA.A Adding/Subtracting within 100 word problem and representations 2.OA.B Memorizing add/sub facts to 20 2.OA.C Equal groups (building blocks for multiplication) 2.NBT.A Place value (broken into 4 substandards, its kind of really fucking important) 2.NBT.B Place value (broken into 4 more substandards, its kind of really fucking important) 2.MD.A Measure and estimate in metric and standard (broken into 4 substandards, it is kind of really fucking important) 2.MD.B Addition and Subtraction in relation to length 2.MD.C Time to nearest 5 minutes and money 2.MD.D Interpreting graphs 2.G Shapes and Attributes
Spaniard@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yes.
I used to have some complex thinking I was slow at reading time in an analog watch, these days I feel much more confident.
sommerset@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
Man I always felt analog clocks are just old age. I felt like that for about 30 years
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Throughout middle school and high school, my bedroom clock was one of these, just the mechanism, no face, no numbers, hanging off the edge of a shelf. I had no trouble reading it. I still can easily read an analog clock with no numbers or any face marks.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Congratulations! ⭐
markovs_gun@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I am in the transition age range of people who have trouble reading analog clocks and I must admit I had trouble with it until I started wearing a watch as an accessory as a teenager. The issue isn’t that it’s hard, it’s just something that you need practice at to do quickly and a lot of young people just don’t look at analog clocks to tell time very often. It’s not a matter of being stupid or not being taught how to do it, it’s like mental “muscle memory” that just isn’t built up in a world where digital clocks are everywhere, including in your pocket 24/7
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Watches were pretty ubiquitous before the smart phone was popularized. Though, digital watches were common since the '80s, so I’m not sure how much that really figures in. There is some truth, though, in needing to regularly do it to keep the skill.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Clock reading was covered in kindergarten and cursive writing taught in 1st grade. These were some of the first wrinkles pushed into our little growing brains in the early 80s by school. That these things are no longer being taught so early explains why so many people are willing to immediately accept the Google AI overview as gospel and are wearing Crocs everywhere they go.
AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
and are wearing Crocs everywhere they go.
Oooh, that’s harsh.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 5 months ago
FWIW, I went to school in mid-2000. My sibling even later. They still taught it back then, and at least here, I am pretty sure they still do. (And why would they not, after all…)
tlmcleod@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
How tf are we in 2025 and people are still spouting off as if all humans have the same brain capacity and capability?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 5 months ago
Literally noone I know in real life has any problem whatsoever reading analog clocks, no matter the “brain capacity”, neuro-typicality, state of drunkenness,… It is an extremely simple “skill”.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Lemmites will never miss an opportunity to make things difficult to draw attention to themselves.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah but the “hard” work of reading an analog clock apparently offends some people. Just more of “feelings” nonsense vs. facts
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
I’m 35. Math major. Work in STEAM. Well educated.
I hate analogue clocks. Why use subpar way of reading time if digital is so much better?
jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Same reason you might use 22/7 instead of the exact value of π. If I look at a clock and see it’s about ten to 2, it’s rare to never that I actually need to know it’s 1:53:22.57365785285978520256734567314854372354675466099.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
They are actually a helpful way to show passage of time visually, without abstract math knowledge. For example my son has downsydrome, he could read time from analog and understand passage of time and time left on it, but numbers counting up to 60 was abstract… Like its 47 minutes past 5 how close to the hour is it getting? No clue unless he wrote it out as a math question and did the subtraction. But for him those were meaningless numbers anyway. 15 was no different than 45 for him. But visual cues of quarter past and quarter to made sense for him
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 5 months ago
Because it’s not! Glad to help you clear that up.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I don’t know, I’ve never particularly liked analogue clocks. I don’t think I ever thought of them as difficult to read, but it’s far superior to look at an exact number like digital usually features.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 5 months ago
Disagree - it rarely matters to me if it’s 13:24:56 or 13:25:05, but I do find the instant and intuitive gauging of time deltas super useful (as in, how long it’s going to be on to the full hour / two quarter past / … ). Not saying you can’t get that info from a digital clock as well, of course you can; but the physically of analog clocks lends a good bit of intuition, I feel.
wischi@programming.dev 5 months ago
To be fair if you are never exposed to it (and judging by the comments that seems to have happened in the US) you can’t tell the time by “just looking at it”. But analog clocks are objectively simpler to teach to children (let’s say three to eight years old).
Jyrdano@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I can confirm. You are not insane.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I feel like I’m going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks,
These comments are made by lazy idiots arguing that there is nothing wrong with being lazy idiot.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I don’t understand how you could possibly classify looking at a clock as lazy.
Aneb@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I loved when a class would get quiet enough to hear the seconds hand click on the mechanical motor. I lived to see how close it was to the end of minute. One time in class I counted how black dots were on the ceiling. Wow I was bored
AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
I counted the dots along the x axis, multiplied by the y axis count and took that as an estimate for the tile. Then did the same with the number of tiles across the ceiling. Then multiplied that by the number of classrooms… Same with the floor tiles. There was no end to it.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
To the title, that’s always been the case.
“no child left behind” turned into “make it easier until everyone passes” Shit isn’t new. it’s been going on for a long, long ass time.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Shit isn’t new. It’s fake.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I didn’t say it was always the case.
This statement just seems like agreement to me… Idk.
wischi@programming.dev 5 months ago
Your fact check doesn’t say it’s fake. Even the “mostly false” mentioned in the fact check is a bit of a stretch if you read the “what’s true” section.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No one’s asking the real question… Is that background image AI?
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What was scribbled out of this screenshot with black lines, and why was it scribbled out?
Hikermick@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Maybe it’s because everyone has a clock in their pocket? One that is accurate and doesn’t need batteries changed or altered twice a year
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It took me until age 15 to become comfortable reading analog clocks and confident knowimg which way is left and right (hey cut me some slack, left/right gets confusing sometimes because of mirrors & facing people).
sommerset@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let’s change format to 24hr format
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s definetrly because they don’t want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This has got to be AI written or cherry picked data. They’re pulling clocks to save a few $ if anything. Old schools used to have synchronized analog systems. I could easily see those things being removed.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Big Ben will be digital by 2028…
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 5 months ago
One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren’t learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don’t want some old geezer giving me shit because I don’t want to learn to use an abacus. I also don’t want to be that old geezer.
DeadMartyr@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn’t immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it’s to be taught to think in another way.
I think that kids “learning how to learn” is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.
This is minor, but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do
IWW4@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 months ago
“Don’t test for Covid, it will only make our numbers increase!” -Donald Trump, 2020.