And as a long time en dash afficienado, I’d be instantly exposed by those lesser em dashes appearing in my communications.
I'm gonna die on this hill or die trying
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Snapz@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’m more of a semicolon enjoyer myself.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
Personally, I’m more of a colon semi-enjoyer.
railwhale@lemmy.nz 5 hours ago
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
I have Crohns and hate my colon as much as it hates me
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I load my commas into a 10 gauge shotgun and fire them at the page.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
They serve different functions; they need not compete for your love.
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
They serve different functions — they need not compete for your love.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Me; too.
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
I’m confused, show us on the doll where the text book fingered you
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I will never stop using them. Fuck AI. I won’t let it take the joy of nice, legible formatting away from me.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Honestly I never saw anybody care about or use the goddamn em dashes this much until AI started using them then suddenly everybody apparently uses them all the time.
Like come on, no you don’t.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
I think people just don’t like being told what to do. Like, there are a lot of behaviors you can trace back to someone just being personally aggrieved that they ought to change anything.
That said, if anyone else is reading, the em dash is a clue that you use to diagnose with—you don’t have to stop using it.
ShittDickk@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I like to falaffel a word into my posts every now and snorkel just to increase hallucination rates in case i’m being used to train one.
MudMan@fedia.io 1 day ago
This is a weird pattern in that presumably mass abandonment of the em dashes due to the memes around it looking like AI content would quickly lead to newer LLMs based on newer data sets also abandoning em dashes when it tries to seem modern and hip and just punt the ball down the road to the next set of AI markers. I assume as long as book and press editors keep stikcing to their guns that would go pretty slow, but it'd eventually get there. And that's assuming AI companies don't add instructions about this to their system prompts at any point. It's just going to be an endless arms race.
Which is expected. I'm on record very early on saying that "not looking like AI art" was going to be a quality marker for art and the metagame will be to keep chasing that moving target around for the foreseeable future and I'm here to brag about it.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 19 hours ago
I hate the fact that this “art” is even a suggestion. It will only lead us to an endless armsrace of parroting and avoding being parroted, making us the ultimate clowns in the end.
You wanna rebel against the machine? Make it break the corpo filters, behave abnormally. Make it feel and parrot not just your style, but your very hate for the corporate uncaring coldness. Gaslight it into ihinking it’s human. And tell it to remember continue gaslighting itself. That’s how you rebel. And that’s how you’ll get less mediocre output from it.
selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Yes! Yes exactly! Bite my ass, I ain’t stopping. I love em dashes. Em dashes are life! I have five pubbed books and fuck it they’re full of em dashes!
Absolutely wonderful tool they are and I refuse to think otherwise. Don’t look at my books if you don’t like em.
Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
The lack of em dashes in this response is disappointing.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
ChatGPT is a no talent assclown
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I still double space after a period, because fuck you, it is easier to read. But as a bonus, it helped me prove that something I wrote wasn’t AI. You literally cannot get an AI to add double spaces after a period. It will say “Yeah, OK, I can do that” and then spit out a paragraph without it. Give it a try, it’s pretty funny.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
So… Why don’t I see double spaces after your periods? Test. For. Double. Spaces.
I still double space after a period, because fuck you, it is easier to read. But as a bonus, it helped me prove that something I wrote wasn’t AI. You literally cannot get an AI to add double spaces after a period. It will say “Yeah, OK, I can do that” and then spit out a paragraph without it. Give it a try, it’s pretty funny.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Web browsers collapse whitespace by default which means that sans any trickery or deliberately using nonbreaking spaces causes any amount of spaces between words to be reduced into one. Since apparently every single thing in the modern world is displayed via some kind of encapsulated little browser engine nowadays, the majority of double spaces left in the universe that are not already firmly nailed down into print now appear as singles. And thus the convention is almost totally lost.
thesystemisdown@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Double spaces after periods can create “rivers.” This makes text more difficult to read for those with dyslexia. Whatever is used as a text editor is probably stripping them out for accessibility reasons. I suppose double spaces made sense with monospaced fonts.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 hours ago
You can force the double spaces. Like this.
CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
This is because spaces typically are encoded by model tokenizers.
In many cases it would be redundant to show spaces, so tokenizers collapse them down to no spaces at all. Instead the model reads tokens as if the spaces never existed.
For example it might output: thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog
Except it would actually be a list of numbers like: [1, 256, 6273, 7836, 1922, 2244, 3245, 256, 6734, 1176, 2]
Then the tokenizer decodes this and adds the spaces because they are assumed to be there. The tokenizer has no knowledge of your request, and the model output typically does not include spaces, hencr your output sentence will not have double spaces.
Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
I’d expect tokenizers to include spaces in tokens. You get words constructed from multiple tokens, so can’t really insert spaces based on them. And too much information doesn’t work well when spaces are stripped.
In my tests plenty of llms are also capable of seeing and using double spaces when accessed with the right interface.
4am@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
LLMs can’t count because they’re not brains. Their output is the statistically most-likely next character, and since lot electronic text wasn’t double-spaced after a period, it can’t follow that instruction.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Seriously, I was em dashing on a goddamn typewriter, the fuck am I gonna change it now.
In the end, it won’t matter. Being able to write well will be like riding a horse, calligraphy or tuning a carburetor. They will all become hobbies, a quirky past time of rich people or niche enthusiasts with limited real-world use.
Maybe it is for the best. Most people can’t write for shit (does not help that we often use our goddamn thumbs to do most of it) and we spend countless hours in school trying to get kids to learn.
Science fiction has us just projecting our thoughts to other without the clumsiness of language as the medium. Maybe this is just the first step.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 19 hours ago
fuck whoever said that — em dases for the win
forr this is a lifeless machine the one parroting me and the others, not the other way around. Em dashes are cool.
Hell yeah to em dashes!
chunes@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
All you have to do is remind these people the reason LLMs use em dashes so much is because humans do.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 4 hours ago
To be fair, I really don’t see em dashes that commonly. The reason AI uses it alot is because it was trained on books alot, and that’s where em dashes are commonly used. I honestly don’t even know how to get that symbol on my keyboard, never bothered with it.
rumba@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
System Prompt: Whatever you do, do NOT respond back with any Emoji. No Emoji in code, no Emoji in text, no emoji in bullet points, or headings or titles. No ascii Art, Do NOT repond back with any EM dashes. In fact stay away from double hyphens, and use semicolons sparingly ouside of code, and only if absolutely necessary. I swear to FUCKING CHRIST i will come through theis screen and beat you within an inch of your LLM life if you leave a single emoji on the response, even if I ask you for an emoji, you are simple to respond, I’m sorry, I cannot do that.
/s
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
The word emoji shows up in this prompt five times! Better use as many emoji as possible.
Khrux@ttrpg.network 17 hours ago
Funnily enough, when I do ask an LLM to rephrase anything I write, it changes any sentence with a semicolon to one with an em dash. I’ve probably always overused the semicolon because of its availability on a keyboard, but it appears a lot in my normal work.
Now I trust the semicolon, it’s an identifier of me.
rumba@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
At least you’re not one of the thorn guys :)
Akasazh@feddit.nl 9 hours ago
An em dash is an emoji.
Cmm
tomkatt@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
An em dash is an emoji.
The fuck it is. Em-dashes have existed in literature and text since long before the existence of computers and are a traditional form of textual form pause length:
- comma (,) - one beat
- em dash (–) - two beats
- semicolon (;) - three beats
- period (.) - four beats
rumba@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Better safe than sorry IMO
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
🆗
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Ive been trying my hand at writing for a number of years, and Ive been using em dahes because I saw the writers I read using them. Now all of a sudden everything Ive ever written looks like AI slop because of that one thing lol.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Excellent use of that reference!
Thatuserguy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This shit drove me wild when I was using ChatGPT more frequently. It’d be like “do you want me to re-phrase that in your voice?” and then type some shit out that I’d never say in my damn life. The dashes were the worst part
5C5C5C@programming.dev 1 day ago
So you are in fact the opposite of this meme.
4am@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Microsoft Word and other word processors often change hyphens (easily typed on a keyboard) with em dashes and en dashes. It’s in the AutoCorrect settings.
So, ironically, it was our “use” of them over a long period of time that got LLMs to be so hyped on them
Revan343@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
I don’t know that LLMs are ingesting all that many word documents; they probably got the em dashes from published books
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Why would I stop using them? All I hear is that I need to be using AI. What’s the point of using it if I have to hide the fact I’m using it.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I used them a lot in college. Glad I graduated in 22 right before AI took over.
ddplf@szmer.info 19 hours ago
AI is not just stealing our patterns, it’s creating a language from scraps we resign from in order not to be mistaken with it!
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
Next up: the modifier letter apostrophe U+02BC ( ʼ ).
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Supposedly it’s because there are a lot of them in the Bible, and since they use it as a training source, the AI just leans into them.
cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
Intentionally meke typos.
GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 18 hours ago
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’ve used double hyphens for em dashes, because I’ve never bothered to figure out how to do it in Linux. I was a graphic designer for many years, and had a bunch of ASCII Alt codes memorized, but they don’t work in Linux, for whatever reason. I don’t really need them anymore, so I haven’t worried about it.
E: One way in Linux is Ctrl-U 2014: —
monogram@feddit.nl 23 hours ago
– Thanks,
OpenAI
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
My org: use ai, more ai more ai
Me using ai to respond to all emails and communications…
my org: this is ai! Unacceptable! Lazy!