Submitted 3 weeks ago by aramova@infosec.pub to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
I 100% assume that the McDonald's employee who called on him is fake in some way, and they tracked him down through some kind of spy apparatus shit and just don't want to give away their methods.
I have no evidence and I don't really know how these things work, it just seems way way more plausible to me.
They didn’t track him down because he wasn’t the shooter.
Oh come on. You really think rich people and the police protecting them would let a millionnaire killer run free?
They need a scapegoat, but what they need more is the certainty that the shooter won’t do more damage.
Ok, I’ll accept this conspiracy theory and add to it:
It was actually the surveillance software in the AI drive through.
Welcome to McDonalds
Would you like to report any serious crimes today?
he was inside the mcdonald's though he don't use the drive thru
That could be. I’m still vouching for the “conspiracy” that Luigi actually didn’t do anything but was selected as a lookalike scapegoat. The similar looks is what prompted the McDonald employee to call, and they incompetently called the police instead of the tip line.
I haven't heard that his defense team is trying to claim that... I feel like if that was reality they would have. Maybe not, but I feel it.
It’s like the police always saying that they find a “passport” in the truck after some terrorist attack. They have inside informers and they don’t want to disclose them.
Even if the tip was useful they can just claim to wasn’t and just not pay it out. Not like there’s an oversize process for it. Once they have the guy they can find the trail with whatever data they have and say they did it without the tip.
this isn’t a conspiracy theory to the people saying it is. these systems are well attested to exist already. predictive policing is already being used. fucking watch yourselves. big brother sees all.
The method that totally wouldn’t have been used was to have a foreign ally in Five Eyes track all cell phones and correlate the information with security cameras. Then they share the intelligence with the US. Technically on the edge of legal but they know the shit storm if americans generally knew how surveilled they are.
Part of the point of the Snowden leaks was that they don't completely give a shit about those limitations. I'm sure the details vary in various parts of the apparatus, but as I understand it they don't even really bother with the fig leaf anymore (even as of that pretty long ago time at this point).
Most of the world is being spied in with AI cameras, streets, Walmart, etc. most likely even McDonald’s cameras.
Over the last 20 years for every $2000 in reward money offered by law enforcement in the United States, less than $4 has been paid.
or $1 per $500, or $2 per $1000. sorry, it was asking for fraction simplification
I’m sorry, you’re saying that only $1.214521 of every $607.2605 was paid out?
I didn’t know rewards were common but have never looked into that, who reports those numbers even? They sound fun to go through
I asked an LLM although many here hate that.
It basically said it’s very fragmented but many departments / organisations do publish their rewards information.
SEC, DOJ, Dept of state RFJ, FBI, DEA, Crime stoppers, and more.
You have to go and look at each one and consume that data ideally programmatically. The LLM has links you can try but I won’t post the output without consent.
I believe that but I do have to wonder how much of that is due to no credible leads being offered on most cases vs them just cheating their own narcs. “Money paid” vs “Money offered” doesn’t give any clarity to that.
Especially when you consider that big rewards are not offered when detectives can figure things out pretty easily. The ante goes up with severity and difficulty. I’m sure there was a reward for Osama bin Laden, but I wasn’t not turning him in because the reward was too small or I didn’t believe I’d get paid. I just didn’t know where the dude was, let alone how I could get him turned in
Of course not. We know how it is living in the trump times.
Snitches can’t afford stitches due to duplicitous economic machinations.
Snitches can’t afford stitches due to duplicitous economic machinations Bitches.
I laughed too hard about this.
he lost his job too lol bootlicker
I KNOW WHO DID IT
points to white house
😏
Points to Waffle House
No one will get paid any reward. Some corrupt official is going to pocket that money.
Let me guess who…
I swear if this guy is called Mario I’m going to lose my shit.
From the low res photos he seems like he might be hot. Two hot shooters in a row? IDK what this means for fall and spring shooting trends, but I like it.
Until Thomas Matthew Crooks I used to think that going by three names was the key element to being an assassin, but maybe it was being hot all along.
Maybe that’s why Lee Harvey Oswald was killed. Not because somebody was upset he’d shot Kennedy, but out of jealousy he was going to be knee deep in clunge.
Like anyone can claim a reward for a false flag murder anyway.
Yes I do, mr. treason with 34 felony convictions, currently illegally occupying the white house, did it
How come a lot of people are saying Trump sent the hit? Is it a joke or do you actually think he might’ve?
Roma traditoribus non praemiat
Rome doesn’t pay traitors
They used to say the rewards was for information leading to the conviction. If they don’t get a conviction, the reward is forfeit by default.
People are still gonna try though. They just have no legal recourse if the reward is not paid.
They just have no legal recourse if the reward is not paid.
To be clear, it’s because while promissory estoppel and unilateral contracts are a very real thing you can sue over, sovereign immunity keeps that from being an option, particularly federally. If some private organization offered the reward you’d be fine, but when it is a sovereign immune government that hasn’t waved it’s immunity you’re fucked.
Waived.
Sovereign immunity is one of those strange times when the ruling class straight up admits that they own you. It’s completely an obvious concept, and so strange that it’s literally just out in the open and they talk about it.
Not only that, but one has to go through the FBI’s tip line directly to be eligible. The McDonald’s snitch called the police instead.
They just have no legal recourse if the reward is not paid.
Even if they did, anyone desperate enough for the vague promise of money isn’t going to have enough of it to hire a lawyer.
A lot of these rewards have small print that says that reward is for substantial information that leads to the arrest and CONVICTION of a suspect. The suspect has been arrested, but not yet convicted. Maybe they’ll get their money at the end, if Luigi gets convicted, which I highly doubt.
Otherwise, people would just be turning in randos for the rewards. They have to be credible enough suspects that they can be convicted.
Given how much information they lost during DOGE’s bullshit. I don’t think they bothered to record who the person was or even cared. Also they have a notorious reputation of never paying people.
Jokes on us. The taste of boot is all the reward they need.
It’s better than that stuff they serve at McDonald’s.
I think it was Herschel, the Cracker Barrel Cracker that got canceled and reborn in a matter of days. That crowd was so white that mayonnaise was labeled as spicy at the food court on campus. Btw, if the mf’er didn’t want to get shot, why in thee hell did he go to a school that coincidentally rolled back their policies regarding weapons/firearms on campus? There is that.
Probably specifically to make a point about how it’s safer when there are good guys with guns or whatever
He was right, there WAS a good guy with a gun.
No one ever gets those rewards, or if they do, it’s a couple hundred dollars for all your time they wasted.
Doesn’t help to snitch to the government.
Soooooo…. Maybe stop looking for him/her?
I appreciate your sense of urgency. I am all for it.🙌
They’re not looking for the culprit. They’re looking for $100k.
Gonna be a lot of false arrests and fingerpointing.
You have an article about this?
After initial news broke that they didn’t dial the right number (she called 911, not the 1-800 tip line) officials walked it back and said maaaybe but we won’t know until a conviction is final.
Some hard hitting journalism from “Distractify.”
How do we know they didn’t get the reward for the tip on Luigi?
I genuinly don’t know, it doesn’t look to be a source here.
The joke is that OP is trying to discourage other people from reporting the shooter by implying that any promised financial reward is simply a ruse.
A noble enough goal so I don’t see much need to debunk it.
So baseless thought. It would be interesting to consider the moral implications of taking money to uphold the law as it is.
I seriously doubt OP had a joke in mind, i think they didn’t check if anyone actually got a reward and really thought no one did.
They won’t. Trump has made a career out of stiffing the little guy, why would this time be any different?
That’s not really a shower thought
einlander@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t know about y’all, but I know for sure who shot Kirk. It was the old man that lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington, D.C… He is constantly using violent rhetoric and threatening anyone not white. He’s scaring the neighbors. That’s the guy that did it.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Kirk probably wouldn’t be dead right now if Trump wasn’t elected, I fully believe that in some way or another
calliope@retrolemmy.com 3 weeks ago
You know, I was actually like “Kirk who?” for a second.
May we all move on to “Kirk who?” that quickly.
AtariDump@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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sausager@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
These things happen, time to move on
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
True. I disliked all his talking points but he hasn’t been a part of my zeitgeist.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m still not fully sure who he was. 3 days ago, I’d never heard the name.
Now suddenly the GOP are treating this as some holy figure bound to create conspiracy theories. Which will be parroted on Fox News, which means by 2pm, parroted by Trump himself.
…and other than being a GOP podcaster, I still have no idea who he was.
evidences@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I heard for the Kirk shooting they were looking for a lunatic on a roof and I saw a video of some one fitting that exact description on the roof of the address you provided. The FBI should be looking into this.
unmagical@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
He also used an AI video to hide his location.