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Yarhaarrharrr ye facist curr
… honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever explicitly said to me (especially growing up) to not use slurs - you just don’t use them bcs they obviously harm people, basic empathy & stuff (if the greed of just living on a better society isn’t enough).
… but there sure have been a fucktone of folk telling me not to use some arbitrary “bad words” they deemed vulgar. No logical reason given, just random societal oppression.
I had an aunt Julia growing up and my parents sat me down when I was four or five and they heard me calling her aunt Ju to explain that “Jew” wasn’t inherently a slur, but it could be offensive to people if I just shouted it randomly after my aunt. Based on that, I suspect they would have talked to me about slurs if it had come up, but I never used them.
I did once talk to my grandmother at around age eleven about seeing a huge Afro and she asked if I meant the person or the hairstyle. I complained to my mom about her being racist and she set me straight. Both of my my grandparents taught at colleges in the greater Boston area around the time they were integrated and my grandmother insisted on renting a room in their house out to black students who couldn’t get housing otherwise throughout my mom’s whole childhood and ended friendships with people who had a problem with it. She was just from another time and didn’t consider “Afro” to be an offensive term, probably because she was involved in civil rights through the seventies, when that was used by lots of black groups as a term of empowerment
Thx for sharing, that was a lovely story/slice of life.
They’re the no-no word because someone used them to hurt someone else.
I don’t know what “removed” means, I assume it’s black in spanish or something, it doesn’t make sense on it’s own.
It’s just a word that people used to hurt other people, so we can’t use them.
Literally, “we can’t have nice things” applied to word, although, whatever that word means, I guess we have other words that mean black so, ok, whatever, we still have plenty of other 6 letter words so “meh”.
Would be nice if people stopped being such shitheads and using group dominance to subjugate other groups.
I think instead of attacking words, we should attack the mechanic behind them ? If the slur comes out it’s already too late, the dominance play has already infected them.
It has to be defused before they even say it. Find why people are being so shit, it’s not just a reaction, it’s not the word itself making them do it.
There a reason why they become nasty slur-spewing goblins.
Sure, and it’s not like there arent any efforts towards that.
But since hate words do exist we don’t use them in order to not empower further the mechanics/shitheads that do use/promote them.
A couple of nights ago I was in the car with my 8 year old daughter and Killing In The Name Of by Rage Against the Machine came on… my instinct was to skip to the next song, but then I thought “No, this is a song she needs to hear” because if she has questions she knows that she can ask.
A couple of songs later, it was Closer by NIN… I immediately skipped to the next song.
Hahaha, now next time you tell her to clean her room or something, she’ll say “fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me!”
Seriously, though, I think you made the right choice. Good on you, and it sounds like you’ve got good music tastes!
“fuck you I won’t do what you told me”
Man… Always gets the blood boiling! Such a good song!
My kid doesn’t speak English, he is 5 (and Dutch), one day in the car I was playing “Pennywise - Fuck authority”. He said that the man said fuck. Even if you’re 5 and don’t speak English you understand that the word fuck is a swearword.
Dad, is it true that "Those who work forces are the same who burn crosses?
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Oh no! Stinkfist came on!
The ol’ Stinkfist got some new exposure via Alien Earth’s credits. A wiley crew, that Noah Hawley & team.
I will insult people for how they dress, specifically people who were clothes with Confederate flag shirts. I once saw someone with a confederate flag shirt that said “Try burning this one” my grandmother saw me staring and told me no. Yes I was working out the logistics of how to set someone on fire, I took the shirt as a challenge.
shouldnt u be looking for the water chip? the vault really needs it
Oh no! The evil people have all the commercially available flame throwers!
Flame thrower? Don’t need that just a bottle of lighter fluid, a Bic, and a can of hairspray will do the trick. We call it the hick bee annihilator, my uncle nearly burnt down the garage when I was 2.
My grandparents on my dad’s side used to make jokes that were funny when I was a kid, more concerning when I got older, and especially concerning as their dementia set in and they began outright stating people’s races in the jokes. In the years since their passing, it’s made me wonder what their beliefs on racism were, even though they raised me to never judge anyone by their race and that race will usually be a factor in how people are treated in the real world but should never be a factor in my personal interactions with anyone.
But those jokes had been weighing kinda heavy on me in recent years. I know they had dementia, but was this possibly at the core of their beliefs?
I recently heard a story, unprompted, from a family member who was present when my dad was in high school or college, in the '70s, and made an off-color joke . Apparently my dad said that a car with a poorly done paint job “looked like a Mexican car.” Without missing a beat, my grandmother punched my dad in the jaw with a right hook and yelled, “WE DO NOT MAKE DEROGATORY JOKES ABOUT PEOPLE FOR THEIR RACE!” My grandmother was always known for how passive, playful, and gentle she was, especially with her kids.
Turns out grandma was not only adamant about race sensitivity, she was kinda a badass. And the jokes I thought were possibly racist were truly homophone humor about regional dialects and not about people’s nationality.
You know, let us be honest for five minutes.
Psychology has shown that we have biases against anyone who doesn’t look like us. It’s just survival 101 from not so ancient times.
So maybe your parents had theses biases, unconsciently. Maybe even, they have been raised in a society which was racist, by definition. If they have lived anytime before the eighties, things were really rough (not that it’s not right now, but it was something else…)
Now, let’s just say that at their core, they were racist. So what ? Is it really important ? They have shown you how to behave, what is right and what is not. They have worked to better themselves, so that is the only thing that should matter.
Because, in the grand scheme of things, your parents would have told you from age two : do not shit in your pants, and they would have done the same. With dementia, maybe at some point they even forgot that one rule so… Being racist is excusable, because, and I’m sorry, they were not themselves in their final hours.
I appreciate and understand your perspective, but I want to clarify some context:
This was my dad’s mom, so my grandparents. Had they been my parents and I’d known them at the age at which they raised me, then I’d immediately know how they raised their kids. But since this was my grandmother who raised my dad, it left me wondering what kind of parents my dad had. Was my dad a non-judgmental person in spite of his parents?
And the answer was, “no.” He learned to cast aside prejudices from my grandmother’s sick right-cross. It was mostly that kind of revelation that I needed to feel my catharsis.
(Added context: my dad is dead and I never heard that story from him. He died before my grandmother did, so I never got the opportunity to ask him about what her views on race were when he was a child.)
I feel like the days of pearl clutching over profanity are on their way out. There is always a time and a place for it, but I grew up hearing “fuck” come out of my drunken relatives every other word. My parents didn’t say it, and they didn’t let me say it, but the only real weight the word ever had was that it was cool and exclusive to adults.
One of the biggest culture shocks I had when moving from the US to Canada was how much more laid back everyone is up here over profanity in general. Almost everyone uses it, very few people (save for maybe the elderly) get uppity when they hear it, and I’ve heard it used freely on FM radio many times. I still think it’s trashy to fly a FUCK TRUDEAU flag or decal on your car for everyone to see, but nobodies up here clutching pearls.
Not sure why it’s such a big deal in many parts of the US.
What’s interesting is, traditionally in language, once forbidden words got ran out, there were still other bad words left to enter the lexicon. “Damn” used to be a genuine curse. My grandfather survived WWII and proudly told be people of all the bombs he dropped, he never dropped the F-bomb.
What’s next? There’s no new forbidden words. Nothing left in the back of the store. Our ability to run through words outpaced our ability to make bad ones.
My grandfather survived WWII and proudly told be people of all the bombs he dropped, he never dropped the F-bomb.
I killed a lot of people, many probably innocent, but I’m a good person cause I never swore!
I’ve been using twit
Words become more acceptable over time. In centuries past calling someone a devil or saying that they should go to hell would have been deeply offensive. Today these insults are so mild that even schoolchildren say them to each other. Even twenty years ago the word “fuck” was viewed with nearly as much taboo as racial slurs. Now, it’s a very common word that people will throw around in a casual context.
At the same time, new words emerge and get labelled profane. For example, the word t****y (slur that means “transgender person”) would not have meant anything twenty years ago, and now it’s one of the most offensive words in the English dictionary. Similar story with the word f****t (derogatory term for a homosexual person).
Do de have a im14andthisisdeep equivalent community on Lemmy?
You best start believing in Lemmy Shitpost, you’re in one.
Praise be!
He fits every single definition of the Antichrist with very little leeway.
Down to the head wound and the mark of the best upon their forehead.
Asking if people could spot the antichrist has always seemed paradoxical to me. Isn’t the antichrist’s defining thing that he will deceive people into following him? Lost cause imo
Many golden age pirates were actually kind of like that
Big multiethnic crews. Lots of gayness, transgressive gender identities, liberatory politics. It was extremely punk, but with very very slightly better music and substantially worse booze.
Any fun historical sources you can recommend?
Graeber really gets unto the mess of it all in ‘pirate enlightenment: the real libertalia’
If you want something much less complicated and academic, i think the podcast ‘cool people who did cool stuff’ has a few episodes on it.
Just because we’re pirates doesn’t mean we don’t have standards! Fucking YARRRGH me mateys!
We’re werewolves, not swearwolves
Speak for yourself, I identify as a swearwolf because of my filthy fucking language
Actual golden age purates tended to be disproportionately queer and gender transgressive, serve on extremely multiethnic crews, and maje policy/decisions democratically.
Unpopular opinion: profanity is massively overhyped and people that excessively swear tend to irk me. There are so many ways to passionately express emotion, at least in the English language, yet so many are fascinated with only a few. The word “fuck” in particular loses all gravitas after hearing it 150 times a day for most of my life. I’ve had to stop watching certain shows because swearing felt so excessively forced to perhaps come across as edgy, and it broke all immersion for me.
That’s a popular opinion. I agree though, if you’re going to swear, make it count. Bonus points for creativity, you fucking festering anal fistula
who is hyping up swear words lol
thought this was interesting, swearing can basically keep you from being a fucking pussy apparently
This phenomenon is particularly strong in people who do not use such words on a regular basis
But you have to keep it for the bad day
Yeah the only environment it seems to fit is the military which sort of makes sense for how often you get smoked long before you ever see combat or even just active duty.
And even then most military people have a cleaned up citizen dictionary for whenever they’re not with their buddies.
Anything outside of that just seems excessive and vulgar for no apparent gain or reason. Even funny and wildly profane comments online don’t use expletives as much as some people do IRL.
There has to be wordplay and emphasis to make it justied (or funny like the gorilla warfare copypasta), otherwise it just comes of the same as ending every single sentence or phrase with “lol”.
Look me in the eyes and tell me you don’t judge people who wear red hats.
That’s different: judging people for their actions, not who they are.
But then you wouldn’t be judging the person solely for wearing a red hat, but for what the red hat implies, no?
IDC; I am judging them.
Well, they might get made fun of for how they dress; gender expression is all well and good, but you have to draw the line somewhere, like socks and sandals
Professionals have standards
My daughter said “oh shit” as her first curse word. Seems appropriate for the times
Being a pirate means taking from assholes who do not deserve it. If you take from anyone you’re an asshole yourself.
I pirate AAA games because they do not deserve my money, as the poor gameplay vallue doesn’t exceed 2 hours. I pay for indie games because they deliver, it’s worth my money.
I used to be in the navy, went on deployment to Somalia several times to hunt pirates. I deeply regret it. Because althoug they have no choice and do what they do because of what us western countries did to them, they do horrible things to others who do not deserve it. But in the end we as a rich western society are the cause for their despair. So we are responsible for what they are forced to do to others. I ended up with PTSD.
You can be a pirate with principles. Especially when mega corps and billionaires are forcing society into submission, forcing people to work to just to survive and/or force people to be someone they are not.
Fight the oppression. Piracy isn’t a crime, it’s symptom of a crime. Also, these days you do not own the media you purchase. It’s not theft when you steal something which you cannot own it when you purchase it.
You can be a pirate with principles.
On the topic, what was the reasoning of the Houthis attacks on the red sea shipping lanes?
It was because they are totally crazy deranged terrorist villains from an 80s action movie right?..or like monomaniacal greed right?
…wait hold on… checks notes … are we the badies?
I wasn’t there during those attacks, I left service a while ago, I wa only there because of the Somali pirates.
Things aren’t black and white. There are no good sides, only different grades of bad when it comes to armed conflict in the middle east. People are driven to extremism due to oppression, hunger, misery, etc and become bad themselves by disbanding human dignity. Who is to blame?
I know I do not stand for fighting pirates in Somalia. Although I got PTSD due to what I saw them doing, which head horrible. The whole situation is fucked up, it’s not onto me to judge or intervene. We as the west are partially responsible, I don’t see fighting the problems we created with violence as a solution, only as fighting symptoms without focusing on the cause.
The Houthis attacks are also a product of a greater problem. Yemen is a giant mess for many years with countless victims. We don’t care so just leave everyone to deal with it themselves. We only start to care when it harms our trade routes. And we don’t help Yemen and it’s people to solve their war, we fight a symptom so our trade routes are secure.
It’s the dame with piracy in general. There’s piracy all over the world. The Somali pirates are mild compared to others, like on the African west coast or near Indonesia. But we only care about piracy when it harms us, like our trade routes.
You become super rich at a cost. Not by honesty. There are always others who suffer. We, the rich west (EU, Brittain, US, but also Russia, India, China etc.) enjoy enormous amounts of luxury, but developing countries are paying the cost for that.
We claim we have morals and are more civilized than others. We condemn Russia for their war crimes everywhere for example. Yet we show we are just as bad by supporting the worst war crimes of this century (by far) by continuing to support Israel.
I rolled into service due to a financial crisis and my own issues (autism, never recognized so never finished school, kicked out by my parents, nearly ended up on the streets because I couldn’t get work, so I enlisted) and becasue I couldn’t handle change that well (autism) I stayed and supported a system I oppose.
I now know better and fight for human rights, against mega corps, for LGBTQAI+ rights, against fascism, racism, nazism and against fake news and propaganda (and anything that goes against my believes). It kills me, as I feel helpless but doing nothing kills me even more.
(Software) Piracy is not theft, by definition. Theft requries an intent to deprive, and copyright infringement does not deprive. Theft is a crime, copyright infringement is a civil offense (aside from the criminal version that now exists thanks to extensive lobbying by predatory rights holder organisations, but that has a slightly higher bar and is meant only for commercial pirates who profit).
some people objectively are illegal immigrants. apparantly facts are racist now
I cant believe i have to explain this but…
There’s lots of ways you can refer to people. Some are respectful, some are not.
This might shock you but some parents teach their kids to be respectful of others. Avoiding labelling people in ways they might not appreciate is a good start.
It may be a “fact” that someone is an “illegal immigrant” but I’m sure you can see that term is intended to portray the person in a specific way.
Its also a fact that such a person is an undocumented migrant trying to feed their family, or maybe even an asylum seekers fleeing persecution.
So yes, representing facts in a racist way is racist. Well done.
I will preface this by saying I do not agree with how this administration is enforcing immigration law, and triple disagree with how they are removing legal status from people to get easy deportations. It is being done both stupidly and cruelly. ICE should be uniformed and identifiable, and all law enforcement should be held to the highest standards.
That said, an asylum seeker is just that, an asylum seeker and not an illegal immigrant. Lumping them in with illegal immigrants to help whitewash illegal immigration is, in my opinion, as much a contributor to the problem as those claiming asylum seekers are lying. Both sides of this argument keep shoving the asylum seekers into the illegal immigrant bucket to serve their narratives and it pisses me off.
Obviously every person who illegally immigrates is doing so trying to feed themselves and/or their family better than they can in their own country, basically no one wakes up and decides to throw away their entire lives and legal status to go to another country. That does not mean laws don’t apply to them. No one on earth has a right to go to another country except through the established legal means of that country, which is why statelessness is such a terrible crime against the people who are rendered such.
Lumping in illegal immigration with things like race and slurs and calling it racist waters down racist. Basic human dignity and respect for things that are intrinsic qualities like race, gender, sexuality, etc is not the same thing as someone’s legal status. This doesn’t stop the racists, doesn’t help anyone, and weakens actual narrative.
I’m sure you can see that term is intended to portray the person in a specific way.
No, it’s just a normal term, intended to convey that the person is an immigrant, and that they didn’t follow the legal process. Those are just the basic facts about that person’s situation with respect to the law. The legality of their immigration status is often the focus of the discussion. For example, it’s easy to take advantage of illegal immigrants because they might be afraid to go to the police due to their immigration status.
The term has been in use for almost 150 years. Sometimes clinical labels become pejorative over time. But, it doesn’t seem like that’s the case here. A right-winger is much more likely to say “illegals” or “illegal aliens”, if not just using some slur like “wetback”.
Alternative terms that have been proposed are much less precise. For example, “undocumented migrant” is horrible. Not only is “migrant” less specific than “immigrant”, because immigration is a subset of migration, “undocumented” is much less accurate than “illegal”. Most people in a country illegally have documentation, they have passports, birth certificates, sometimes even local driver’s licenses. The issue isn’t that they lack documentation. The issue is that they aren’t following the laws related to migration. Others like “undocumented noncitizen” or “undocumented American” are even worse. What does “American” even mean in that context? Is a fiercely loyal British person who is legally in the US on a work visa a “documented American”?
How tf is it racist to say someone is an illegal immigrant if they’re an immigrant who came in illegally? At the face of it those words can be used totally neutrally
I mean, the words themselves are not an insult, it’s the context they are used in that make them an insult. If you don’t insult people then you don’t have to worry about what words are insults and what they aren’t.
Why wouldnt you call someone an illegal immigrant if thats what they are? Being a “human being” isnt a get out of jail free card. If you drink and drive, youre a drink driver. If you rape someone, youre a rapist. If you murder someone, youre a murderer. If you steal, youre a thief. You move countries, you are an immigrant. If you do it without falling the rules of the country you moved to, youre an illegal immigrant.
Why the fuck are you people always over correcting???
Given the context he’s talking about judging people by their looks. You cannot tell just by looking at someone whether or not their immigration status is legal. You need more information than just their apparent ethnicity.
Dont know how you got that, chief. The context is “human being”, nothing else. Every time these insane fuckwits posts something unhinged, theres always people ready with the excuses. You can not like the laws, thats fine. But if you enter a country illegally, an illegal immigrant is what you are.
If the guy wants to say that calling brown people illegal just because theyre brown, well, I think he all ready did. As that would full under the racial slur.
not a shitpost
This is basically the opening scene of Ted (2024)
Don’t worry. They’ll be teaching all of that in school, soon enough. 🤬
Cool. Not a shitpost.
Swear words are ok in my house. Slurs are not ok ever
I was just upvoting while noticing the insane upvote count. Very good to see so many like-minded people. Also fuck those who downvoted.
Ok cool.
And killing someone on self defence doesn’t make it right.
True and fantastic (especially if your community/family are/were hateful bigots!), but one should still strive not to be a potty-mouth. It’s crude and unbecoming, idk, at least to me. It’s the equivalent of being a bit stinky (or very, depending on how much one swears) IMO: sure, it might not be immoral, whatever, but you could make the smallest of efforts and not offend my senses… 🤷
I hope it doesn’t take too much effort.
Godric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nice sentiment, but where shitpost?
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
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Godric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thank you <3
Exusia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I havent had an excuse to post this yet
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JollyBrancher@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
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sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
None of these are shitposts. These are all memes.
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
This community needs a hero…
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
You came for the circle jerks but til this stable is full you only get horseshoe handies.