Schools are using AI to spy on students and some are getting arrested for misinterpreted jokes and private conversations

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• michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Anything with a very low rate of true positives applied to a large population is going to have an insane false positive rate. EG a 1 in 7M issue applied to 70M students with a 1% false positive rate would produce 700k false positives. Worse people who are actually planning a school shooting may be more likely to avoid telegraphing their intentions. So you could damage 700k kids futures and traumatize them without even catching many or any of the killers.

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• cdf12345@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “Sometimes you have to look at the trade for the greater good,” said Board of Education member Anne Costello in a July 2024 board meeting.

  No no no no.

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  • prex@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Exactly.
    Its not even for the greater good: Ask for an example of chat control type laws leading to convictions and the only answer you will get is ”we cant discuss individual cases due to privacy / prejudice for a court case"

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    • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They want more slave labor. The greater good is enriching themselves.

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• Cornpop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I mean pretty stupid to write that in the schools chat app, use signal or shit just regular iMessage

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  • bigFab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Apparently another one got arrested within hours of a Snapchat too.

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    • Cornpop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Damn kids gotta make everything public these days lol

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• FuckFascism@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So the police sexually assaulted a minor?

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• SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It seems that Big Brother is wathing you… But now it’s already a reality, oh and what will happen if someone commits a thoughtcrime?

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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They finally get to play GOD, rip out your brain, and let an AI torture it to the maximum extent possible for all eternity.

    Optimized to torture you in more than one way. Take your dignity, break you down into every way possible to make you a bad person, then use that as leverage to make your suffering even worse.

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    • SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      In fact, the best choice we can make to avoid suffering from all this is to wipe all humans off the face of the earth, leaving no DNA or anything else, then everything will be fine. Until then, we will have a spiritual war.

      Well, we can only prepare ourselves, we are in for a truly exciting adventure in a concentration camp. :3

      In a world where the powerful do what they want, there can be nothing but suffering. although it is precisely in suffering and pain and the struggle for one’s freedom and life that the meaning of life lies, in my opinion. And art without pain is no longer art, but only quality content.

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• Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What a shithole country.

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• Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Sounds more like they are maybe using ML classifiers on all the communications they are spying on by conventional means. To me that’s not the same as using AI to spy but whatever.

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• Pjonathan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Some good news here is that if they apply this to society as a whole the jails would be too full, keep saying the no-no words online!

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• LabelBox@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Government goes for all it can get… until people start revolting

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• AeonFelis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Isn’t this the plot of Shimoneta?

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• Pjonathan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Shouldn’t they have used AI to collect the messages and then have a human manually intervene?

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• Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  no paywall archive.md/1lSRA

  I got a captcha on the archive, but was able to read the original just fine. I guess archives are not necessarily lower barrier.

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• Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Unsurprising to me this is happening in schools, they’ve got to be ready for the low wage retail jobs many will have after graduation. A lot of places have been upgrading their phones to Zoom-enabled devices, which have the ability to record and summarize all employee conversations held near them for management or HR. I’ve worked in a couple places recently where it got rolled out and there were hints they were using it that way.

  Anyone willing to call me paranoid, or supportive of the idea this tech is used this way or will be, please respond, retail isn’t really full of many tech savvy people and I’m curious if I’m imagining the capability/use of this, or if others have had similar experiences.

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• JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is frustrating. Obviously it’s not okay to make jokes like that and I even think some sort of punishment might be okay, but strip searching and jailing her overnight? You aren’t creating someone who will think before they speak, you’re making someone who will be paranoid of all legal processes and never trust any government official ever again for anything because they got fucking STRIP SEARCHED AND DETAINED OVERNIGHT over a really shitty joke.

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  • fucktrump@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    To me this is equivalent to dropping bombs on the Middle East and expecting not to create a lot more terrorists. If she didn’t want to go shooting before maybe she wants to now.

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  • qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s ok to make jokes.

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• AlphaOmega@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I don’t understand why she was arrested, her “threat” was obviously a joke. I guess jokes are illegal now

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Well in Scotland they certainly are

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  School shootings? Nah, not really a problem, plus it’s impossible, impossible i tell you, to solve that!

  Students making jokes, however, now THAT is a problem we can solve right here and now! Those fuckers will learn their lesson.

  REAPECT MAH AUTHORITAY

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• Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I just want to point out a lot of you actively support this if it helps curb “hate speech” or fascists or nazis or whatever. But what can be used against the guilty may be used against the innocent so it is best that we do not allow it at all. Either all speech is free or none of it is, there’s no other way.

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  • frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nope. It should be reviewed by a human, and the response should be proportionate.

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    • EtherWhack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Not just any human. It should be a board certified child psychologist. They would be one of the few who could recognize a legitimate threat/concern or bullying from a poor joke or a stressed-out kid just venting with an empty threat. And on a positive ‘hit’, should just be a visit from the counselor to see what’s going on. IMO, psychologists should also be the only ones allowed to look at any of the info as they should know how to keep private conversations private if intervention is unnecessary.

      The idea of the software does show some merits, but it is way, way too underdeveloped and grossly misused to be of any use.

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  • neoinvin@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    i do not think you would find many people who actively support the use of artificial intelligence in the monitoring and moderating of hate speech or fascism. those things must be moderated and resisted by people who can be held accountable for mistakes or oversteps, not machines that can not be held accountable for anything.

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    • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Or we could have a legislation that would punish the companies that run these bullshit systems AND the authorities that allow and use them when they flop, like in this case.

      Hey, dreaming is still free (don’t know how much longer though).

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• cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  In a country weary of school shootings, several states have taken a harder line on threats to schools. Among them is Tennessee, which passed a 2023 zero-tolerance law requiring any threat of mass violence against a school to be reported immediately to law enforcement.

  The 13-year-old girl arrested in August 2023 had been texting with friends on a chat function tied to her school email at Fairview Middle School, which uses Gaggle to monitor students’ accounts.

  1. how to teach kids to be a good corpo zombie. On corporate/school chat you don’t chat otherwise you are sent to camp/prison
  2. all of that monitoring for school shooting! What about banning gun that will be cheaper but yeah no ai software monitoring

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Murica

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• Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Gotta indoctrinate them into the surveillance state early. Gotta break them before they learn to resist.

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “It made me feel like, is this the America we live in?”

  Some people are really fucking ignorant.

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• Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  when we’re saying that if the group chat leaks, we end up in prison, it seems like it was true

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  • Pjonathan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    When the memes become real life

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• homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  AI is a virus

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  • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    AI is a machine that cannot be held accountable and has no will.

    Stop being distracted by the tool, look at the humans.

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    • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      AI is all about the humans.

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  • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    AI is the last to blame here:

    • The kids for bullying her for her tan
    • The school boards implementing the surveillance
    • The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
    • The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
    • The person calling the cops
    • The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents

    this is a societywide issue, dont blame the bot.

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    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I notice that none of these suggestions include any AI solutions. Could you please rephrase these to emphasize how AI might be a powerful aid in the fight against online bullying and police brutality?

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• TingoTenga@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Do you want to badly fuck up a society? Because that is how you badly fuck up a society.

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• 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  We all know teachers are the laziest people known to man…

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  • 5too@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Teachers are generally awesome. But school boards and superintendents are almost stereotypically control freaks; and that’s who sets this stuff up. There are plenty of good ones too, but it’s not nearly as selfless a group as teachers.

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    • 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I was kinda being ironic… but yep

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• 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Hope the kids find the people responsible and do everything I know a teenager to be able to do to make their lives waking nightmares.

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• m3t00@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  put the phone down

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