Comment on Schools are using AI to spy on students and some are getting arrested for misinterpreted jokes and private conversations

• SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  How can I say this, if you only dream while sitting on the couch, then alas, everything will end sadly.

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• a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The problem is a societal one. lets see:

  • The kids for bullying her for her tan
  • The school boards implementing the surveillance
  • The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
  • The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
  • The person calling the cops
  • The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents

  This has gone through too many hands to even start blaming the companies. anyone in this chain had the opportunity to do the right thing (ok, maybe the teens didn’t, they don’t know any better). Noone did.

  Surveillance shouldn’t be so pervasive, but i have no issue with e.g. surveillance in a prison, maybe in a hospital (not in the patient rooms, but to make sure noone steals the good stuff or to make sure no patients are lost in a service tunnel), at a border, inside of police stations to make sure that prisoner rights are upheld, military bases for obvious reasons and so on.

  Your society is the issue, and therefor surveillance is everywhere except where it would be useful.

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  • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You’re evidently an apologist for these crappy companies.

    2 or 3 parents can’t do jack shit to avoid this, short of removing the kids from school and having them homeschooled.

    There are 3 main factors that allow this shit to happen:

    1. Companies with absolutely no values and only focusing on revenue, which ends up creating these bullshit AI “systems” that are broken as hell (Chatgpt 5 anyone?)
    2. Lack of legislations to serve the people that voted for these legislators to live in a better society, but they choose to self-serve and allow the same shitty companies to do whatever they want AND sell their shit to institutions, like schools, law enforcement and such, so that they can get money from them
    3. Authorities that use these same broken “systems”, don’t even test them correctly, and take for granted that they will work because they are too fucking lazy to even care, such as schools (that have authority over our kids because we have allowed it) and law enforcement (if they can even still be called that).

    There is no way to justify any of the 3 factors.

    That there are parents that could be doing more to avoid this kind of shit? Absolutely. Will parents pushing for change do anything towards fixing it? Not if the other 3 factors don’t play their part as well.

    Get fucking real.

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    • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      nah, i don’t like the companies myself, i run my models locally to be independent from them. Venture capital is trying to cram it everywhere, i agree on that point. But the issue in this case is that not one person in the long chain of people did care at all, not that a chatbot flagged the word “kill”; that would have happened with a simple word filter as well.

      I also agree that your system is crap and you deserve a better government that cares for people, but since not enough people vote for people and parties like that, we must assume that the majority of voters in the US either dont care or WANT a strong leader to decide for them, they want surveillance to feel save (even tho it doesn’t help with safety at all!), and that this majority is racist as well, or else the skin color of the girl wouldn’t even be a conversation point. It was in the open for what Trump and Project 2025 stood - and they didn’t even stop with the presidency, they gave him the senate too to make sure their agenda gets their way. The rest is simply a consequence of that - this society consists of indifferent, partly hateful, partly racist people.

      Kids are brutal and often cruel, especially to their classmates. They brought a girl to the point where she hated the color of her skin so much that she made a “joke” to kill the ethnic group so she wouldn’t be associated with that anymore. Here we are again: hateful, racist people have hateful, racist kids that bully others over skin color.

      The solution? I’m not sure. It will take a lot of time and multiple generations; and it probably will only happen if the US loses a lot of it’s power or breaks up into multiple states.

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      • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I kind of agree with you. Things in the US (and most of the rest of the world) have taken a turn for the worst. I’ve been digging into all that’s been going on since January, and comparing it with how the nazi party came to be in power in Germany, and the similarities are scary, to say the least. Sure, it’s towards other races more than anything, as well as religions, sexual preferences and other key differentiator, but the core is exactly the same. How the Nazi party got most Germans to believe that being German meant hating jews, blacks and who knows what else, and that’s what made the holocaust so effective. Propaganda pushing hate and dividing the same country. If we go back in history, we can see all the same bullshit propaganda from those days today.

        And, full disclosure, I am not opposed to countries controlling illegal immigration, as not doing so is extremely detrimental to any country, however, there is no need to completely destroy people (mentally, spiritually and sometimes even physically) to achieve these goals.

        It is as you say. Americans are focused on the lie that surveillance will make them safer, and this government has exacerbated that exponentially in just half a year, using fear as the tool, and fear of immigrants, LGBT people, any skin color difference, and many more.

        Now, let’s look at the other side of this. By promoting all this crap, the US has managed to make previous allies look at the possibility of moving to the other side. China, Russia, India and a few more countries have all but created their own “UN”, and contrary to what the media is showing us, they are actually flourishing, which points to a dramatic shift in global politics.

        The UK, EU and Australia are leading the surveillance regimes, even for the US (visa, mastercard and steam are US companies, and all 3 were bullied into submission by a fucking Australian NGO, fucking up millions of US gamers in the process, and the authorities of the US haven’t even blinked, WTF?), which is building rapidly into a distrust climate among all allies (assuming they still are).

        This is way more complex than war, surveillance, racism, xenophobia and finances, this is the decline of the Roman Empire all over again, bringing with it all the disasters to civilization that comes with this fall.

        Money as we knew it doesn’t exist anymore (it hasn’t been based in gold for decades now, and now there is no physical base for it either), values have been stripped from morals in every single community (religious or not), existing weapons could destroy every living being on the planet within a couple of hours, and everyone seems to be blindly following so-called “leaders” that are only looking after their own benefits (and I’m talking about every facet of our civilization: business, work, families, governments, nobody gives a fuck about the common wellbeing anymore).

        From my perspective, it falls on each of us to take the best care possible of our families, if and when we achieve this, do the same for our immediate communities, and if that pans out, then each of our countries. But I’m not counting on any “leader” to do what is needed to reverse the downward spiel the whole world is in right now. At this rate, we’re all just going to crash and burn.

        Sorry for the horrible and long rant, I am extremely frustrated watching the world my kids will have to try to survive in, and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.

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