the hazards of living in the burclaves
What sort of grill needs a firmware update lol
Submitted 8 months ago by Gork@sopuli.xyz to [deleted]
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Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Kirsche_z@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
[deleted]IHeartEbony@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
Convenience. You can start it and keep an eye on it without even having to go out to the grill.
goldfndr@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
PLEASE tell me you sent this message via smoke signals.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why does a grill need a screen and buttons? Maybe I’m living in the stone age, but what I call grilling involves putting charcoal to a flame.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
When you want to intergrate your smoker into homeassitant so you can adjust it from the office.
wolfpack86@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a smoker, with a port for a temp probe in the meat.
When you smoke something for 10-12 hours it’s nice to get temp readings from wherever. It might also have automatic control for temperature management.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Why that needs to be connected to the internet is an entirely different matter though.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a smoker add on. I’d assume so you can adjust the temperature without actually opening it.
SandraBollocks@lemmy.world 8 months ago
poor baby. who grills out on thanksgiving? also my charcoal grill never does this
treesapx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s very possible, dare I say preferred, to have a traditional Thanksgiving spread getting made in the kitchen while someone grills up some veggies.
Etterra@discuss.online 8 months ago
My dad’s gas grill doesn’t do this either. Sometimes the boomer inability to understand technology is a blessing. Now if only he’d stop downloading sketchy slots games and getting viruses…
LostWon@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Sounds like the start of Cory Doctorow’s book Radicalized.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Now it can run Crysis
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Looks like it is a crysis already.
pxlkttn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I have a Christmas tree with built-in LED lights where I can change their colors and make patterns and animations. Every year I get it out I have to do a firmware update on my Christmas tree before I can use it 😂
DeadPixel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
If they are WiFi controlled that’s actually a good thing, as it sounds like the manufacturer is still supporting it & hopefully updating it to prevent security issues & hacks!
But this is also why I personally try not to buy WiFi enabled gadgets u less it really needs to be remotely accessible.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Grill, Dehumidifier, Air con, Fridge, Dishwasher, Washing Machine, Lightbulbs, Ovens, Doorknob…
None of that should be smarter than “press button, get action”.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Connected HVAC can be pretty damn great depending on your house. It’s changed my energy usage a lot, and I like being able to adjust temps without walking downstairs in the middle of the night. Although having your thermostat lose cloud support ever 10-15 years is pretty shitty.
Connected doors are also great for handing out virtual keys and ensuring that stuff is shut and locked when you’re away.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m warry of electronic, wireless, and sometimes third-party cloud dependent services, having a say in how I lock my doors or control heating.
I’m a bit old fashioned, but also have to work with solutions where considering the consequences of a compromised entry point is vital. I’d be ok with a way to check that the door is locked, but something that can lock (and, so, unlock) my door remotely? Not a chance. At least, not for a place a value.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The Honeywell thermostats support z-wave. So no cloud shenanigans.
CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I once wondered why the fuck an oven should need WiFi.
Then last week I was stuck in a traffic jam coming home from work, and took 2 hrs to do what should’ve been a 1 hr drive. (45km distance)
Then I had to make dinner, and I had such little time to have dinner, clean up from dinner, shower, walk the dog, and settle down for bed for work in the morning, I was angrily wishing I could preheat the oven while I was on my way home from work. That’s when I realized the reason for a WiFi oven.
Also, being able to say “hey Google lights out” when I’m tired as fuck about to go to bed and the light switch is on the other side of the room opposite direction from the bedroom, is nice too.
Actually, as someone who has little free time when not stuck at work or in traffic, I’m probably more likely than the average person to appreciate things having wifi.
Doorknobs though, I’ll draw the line there so we can both at least agree on something together
cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m worried about anything that can be controlled through a third-party online service. The amazon doorbell thing is a prime example of what can go wrong, but it can be more subtle, too. And I’m not even talking about obsolescence. Frankly, I’d still be worried if it was a self-hosted, properly configured system where I’m the only one with a legit access.
I understand the convenience of all this. I also have to deal with the risk balance of security vs convenience, which causes me to not tolerate that “too tired to go across the room” justifies “a third party have full control over my doors, lights, heating, ovens, etc.” (not shooting fire at you, see this as a generic example).
The bare minimum would be a fully self-hosted solution, which is possible, although difficult because hardware manufacturers don’t always play nice. And even then, proper, secure setup and maintenance is not for everyone. In the meantime, yeah, I’ll have to move myself when I want to turn on my dishwasher.
Though I’ll admit, I have some lights that are controlled wirelessly… my old phone have an IR port, and they have IR remotes… Technically, an attacker could probably turn them on/off/change colors from behind a window :D
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I was angrily wishing I could preheat the oven while I was on my way home from work. That’s when I realized the reason for a WiFi oven.
Maybe a better oven is better than wifi. It only takes my oven a few minutes to get up to temp.
I come home, turn it on, fiddle with “getting home shit”, and by the time I’m done it’s ready to go. No wifi needed.
FuckFascism@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Or we could just have better wages and shorter work weeks.
this@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Probably a security update to try and keep it from being part of a botnet maybe? What would work better though is never connecting it to a network or even better, just don’t make it smart for no dam reason, lol.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Probably a security update to try and keep it from being part of a botnet maybe?
Then we’re back to the same question. At what point a grill have anything that could be part of a botnet :D
DeadPixel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Anything with a network connection (unfortunately).
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
blarghly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Iirc, these grills are wifi connected so you can remotely monitor and control temperature. Makes sense if you are bbqing something that is gonna be in there for 12 hours. But then, you kind of lose one of the benefits of bbqing - sitting next to a grill and drinking beer with your friends for 12 hours.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
For this you could have a timer on the thing you set when you start it up and can then walk away from. You don’t need the damn net to have a clock in the appliance.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The nosy kind
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Reygle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have a friend who’s really big in to smoking meats for hours and hours and days at a time. He loves this kind of thing because he can monitor the smoker without physically being in front of it.
I think he’s crazy af for involving the damned internet in it but I guess it is what it is when you’re “cooking” something for 9 hours.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 8 months ago
But supposed they invented a whole new kind of meat and your grill wasn’t ready to deal with it? How would you feel then? Pretty darn silly, that’s how!
atthecoast@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Forwarded this to someone at Traeger. Will let you know if I hear back 🙂
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I love my charcoal grill
Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Fuck yes! Let 'em try to figure out how to require internet connectivity for lighting shit on fucking FIRE.🔥🖕🏻
bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
With cooking normal beats all.
Gas, coal > electric shit
Shapillon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
eh, induction stoves are nice.
Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Realistically they probably didn’t use the traeger until the 4th, so they were about a year behind on “updates”
Unless you’re my dad, then he finds any excuses he can to use his traeger. The thing can smoke a damn good brisket, software updates be damned!
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Right? Guy buys a $2000 grill to use is once a year. There’s gonna be software updates. The app probably tells you too so you can go and turn it on to get the update at minimum.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wouldn’t use it, but if you want one with software then there’s nothing wrong with it updating.
AnitaAmandaHuginskis@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m an IT nerd but they could not pay me to buy a grill that requires software updates. What a bunch of nonsense.
keyez@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As an IT nerd I got one of these and put it on a different subnet and it’s not able to reach out to anything external but my phone can hit it from a different subnet. Thing works great.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’m an IT guy, if my printer made a noise I don’t recognise I’d shoot it.
rumba@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Pay me? Fuck yes, I’ll rip that crap out and replace it with a couple of relays or maybe get fancy and arduino -> home assistant.
I’m betting that someone pay a LOT extra to get that garbage though.
seejur@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Actually the smoker is probably the only one thing I want software on and wifi (but yeah we could do without the updates unless there is some sort of bugs that turn it into a killing machine)
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Sending a temp updates to your phone so you don’t have to be standing near it the whole time is a nice feature.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s better to just purchase a temperature probe with wifi. Those are handy as hell.
5too@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Okay, I’m not a huge griller, but wouldn’t it be better just to build in a thermostat? Let it maintain its own temperature?
howrar@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I agree, but that should be a separate device. One that I can use in any grill or oven. There’s no reason for the grill itself to have that feature, especially if it can potentially brick the whole thing.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My dad’s smoker is also able to set key frames so you can have it ramp up or down in temp at various points while cooking. And it can either be set to change temp at a time or when one of the probes reaches a certain temp.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I will never need a wifi connected kitchen appliance. A grill fits that category. My daily driver is a 2009 Toyota. Its great. No screens and easy to fix.
mndckr@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Just out of curiosity… What are you doing to your grill that you need a new one every few years? Mine is prob. 10 years old and still no reason in sight to replace it.
tankfox@midwest.social 8 months ago
I have a Masterbuilt that has optional firmware updates sometimes, nothing mandatory and certainly nothing automatic. It’s a gravity fed charcoal grill that works like a computer controlled forced air rocket stove. Gets up to 700 degs from cold in 10 mins if I want or hold 225 for the rest of time as long as I keep feeding charcoal into the hopper and emptying the ash bin. The computer is adding actual value.
No soggy pellets, no weird feeding issues, the biggest problem I’ve had with it was the hatch sensors all going out over time, but once I jumped the circuit past them it worked fine again to this very day, going on six years now.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Gets up to 700 degs
That’s a furnace. Aluminium melts at 700 degrees. Gold at 1000.
Cataphract@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
which minecraft mod is that?
setnof@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Yesterday my WIFI air purifier crashed after changing the speed with the app and turned itself off and even caused the Ethernet switch to crash and hang.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A GPU?
buttnugget@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Probably not. But it would be rad if it could run Doom.
Wolf@lemmy.today 8 months ago
There was a silly little movie in the 80’s called “Maximum Overdrive”, written and directed by Stephen King.
In it Aliens somehow cause machines to ‘turn’ on human beings and attack us.
They could remake that movie now but instead of Aliens causing the machines to attack people, it could be malicious ‘hackers’ that do it, and it would be more believable that the original film.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh, so like Die Hard 4.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 months ago
The plot that kicks off Battlestar Galactica (2004) happens because pretty much everything uses wireless communications, including most systems within the space ships
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You could hack a futuristic firmware upgradable power knife, but how do you hack it to hack off fingers?
Aliens had the supernatural power to be the machines
A self driving tesla trapping people in a gas station is 100% more believable than the semi.
Something is there…
funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 8 months ago
*Brought to you by Samsung.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I feel like hackers would always have been more believable than aliens.
Wolf@lemmy.today 8 months ago
You can’t really (remotely) hack a machine that doesn’t have wireless capabilities or computer chips in them.
In the movie it was just regular, non electronic machines like (pre-computerized) diesel trucks and lawnmowers etc.
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The original story was written before the Internet and so before hackers even existed. One of Stephen King’s cocaine fever dreams iirc.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What happens if the grill resets anyway? You get back to the default wallpaper?
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Can we go back to dumb tech?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Yet more reasons that charcoal/firewood is superior.
ChiefPulaski@startrek.website 8 months ago
when you buy a wifi-grill you kind of missed the point of grilling.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
A grill should run on charcoal. It needs to get very hot and that’s literally it.
There’s a universe where I attach some electronic controller with a PID loop or something to a smoker, to maintain consistent temperatures via damper control. I’m not buying that off the shelf built into the machine though.
altphoto@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Hold on, my dental implants are glitching.
cobysev@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I guarantee this update didn’t drop on Thanksgiving. Photo OP probably hasn’t turned it on since their last BBQ months ago and is just noticing - on Thanksgiving - that an update pushed a while ago that they now need to install to get started.
Pro tip: Start up your electronics a day or two in advance of events, so you can pre-patch anything that needs it.
Source: Former IT guy here, who had to ensure that updates ran at the most convenient times possible for thousands of users. “Patching Tuesday” is an unofficial but well recognized “holiday” for IT folks. It’s not first thing Monday morning, which could throw off the workflow for the week, but it also gives the max amount of time to resolve any issues that patching might cause, so we (hopefully) don’t have to work through the weekend.
Pay attention to when your stuff requires patches. A lot of the time, it’ll pop up on Tuesdays.
davidagain@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The same kind of grill that can be bricked remotely if you stop paying for software updates.
Hotrod54chevy@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
One from Traeger Grills apparently 😂