Welcome to the Labour police state

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• inlandempire@jlai.lu ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Always have been a police state, anti terrorism laws are ALWAYS used to silence ‘dissident’ voices

  From 5 July 2025, it is an offence under the UK’s Terrorism Act 2000 to be a member of Palestine Action,[7] fundraise for it,[8][9] wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership,[10] or if someone invites support or even “expresses an opinion or belief supportive of” Palestine Action “reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support” it.[11] These offences carry a maximum penalty of up to 14 years in prison for membership or inviting support, and up to 6 months in prison or a fine for displaying supporting items.[7][10][11][9]

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  • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is Palestine Action a specific movement/group or is palestine Action literally just supporting Palestine? Asking from a non UK perspective.

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    • scholar@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s a specific group that recently broke into an RAF base and started mucking about with the aircraft, hence why the government aren’t their biggest fans.

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    • gnutrino@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s a specific group that was proscribed after breaking into RAF Brize Norton and vandalizing tankers.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s a group but of course considering the name they will be easier able to charge anyone supporting Palestine

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    • inlandempire@jlai.lu ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It uses Direct Action which are methods that governments tend to associate with terrorism

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  • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership

    Bro, they’re making it illegal to wear a fucking keffiyeh. What a shitty fucking law.

    People in the UK should protest en masse so that this damn police state can’t arrest everyone.

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    • inlandempire@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Head garments regulations are a recurring debate in France as well, what a coincidence it’s always about Muslim clothes and not Babushka’s scarfs

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  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What does it mean to be a member? I’m still getting email updates and stuff and I’ll go to protests they organise.

    I support Palestine action and I think this proscription is crazy.

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  • MrPoletki@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Fuck that law. Isn’t that the law Putin used against Navalgny?

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• ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Let’s hope the UK citizens prove less cowardly than the US ones.

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  • comrade_twisty@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You have a lot of trust in people who voted to isolate themselves from their biggest allies and trading partners just a couple years ago.

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    • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I don’t see how relevant that is here. Arguably the EU is supporting Israel’s genocide.

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    • match@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      took me a minute before i realized the US only did that months ago instead of years

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  • SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The British haven’t been too good at protesting in the past

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    • john_lemmy@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Arguably not in the recent past, but let us not forget that the suffragettes were very committed protesters. They did more than just organize symbolic protests though. They also carried out bombings and arson campaigns and one of them ended up cutting Winston Churchill’s face with a dogwhip.

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    • reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      London really showed up for the Palestine protests a couple weeks ago

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    • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Basically not since the 18th century really.

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  • Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    X to doubt. The UK threw out due process a long time ago, wave the ‘terrorism’ tag and egregiously Orwellian policies become law:

    • Legalized warrantless arrest and imprisonment of suspects without trial or warrant for 28 days
    • Permits freezing of a suspects assets without trial
    • Allows unlimited imprisonment of foreigners suspected of terrorism without trial
    • Military police permitted to operate on UK soil openly, even for non terrorism reasons
    • TPIM orders without trial that permits electronic tagging, travel bans, limited house arrest, curfews and constant monitoring.

    And all that’s before we even talk about the recent Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act nonsense.

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    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The PAC are heroes. We should be building statues of them. No one a hundred years from now will think Labor is on the right side of history here. We should be nominating these people for sainthood, not criminalizing them.

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    • Denjin@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Drawing attention to the abuse of these powers is now terrorism. Please hand yourself in to your nearest police station for reeducation.

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  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At least they have Corbyn daring to do what Sanders does not.

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  • vivalapivo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Hollywood level politics. Just shut up

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• kaitco@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As American, I’m always so glad to see our cousins across the water follow our inane footsteps. Cheers Brits!

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  • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Cross Atlantic solidarity against fascism 🤝

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  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Brexit? They were first.

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  • ewo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Atleast we’re in solidarity about being fucked off

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• Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Palestine action? Never heard of them. We support Action for Palestinian.

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  • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The People’s Front of Judea?

    No, The Judean People’s Front.

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    • ewo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      • The people’s front of Palestine AKA the Palestinians people’s front AKA… The namechanges will cease when the facists stop being facist

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The movie references the splintering of the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine).

      • 1967 Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF)
      • 1968 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC)
      • 1969 Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
      • 1972 Popular Revolutionary Front for the Liberation of Palestine

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  • mkhopper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Splitters

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• Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fuck you, government.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I mean, I get it. Anarchy looks so great sometimes. But I like roads and schools and hospitals and firemen; and we need to.elect someone who ensure those persist.

    And then it’s down to choosing the least-worst bunch to do that. And that’s how it’s been for decades.

    So, ask yourself: is changing out this regime and losing a bit of healthcare and a bit of infrastructure and a bit of other things that make life livable here, is that a reasonable exchange?

    If you say yes, I respect you. If you say no, I respect you. But we can’t vote single-issue: we have a choice between leadership packages, and we need to evaluate them as a whole. The yanks lost their election by voting single-issue, and ended up allowing the worst choice ever to win.

    So vote carefully.

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    • MJKee9@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Your take is so weak. The “yanks” lost the election because of disinformation campaigns and low information voters. By placating fascist political action, all you are is delaying the inevitable decline of civilization. You’re a frog sitting in a warming pot complimenting the relaxing pond.

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    • Part4@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ll vote for people who support genocide if they will pass a little bit less publicly owned infrastructure into the hands of private capital is a pathetic position to take.

      It absolutely is not worthy of respect.

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    • for_some_delta@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The dichotomy of anarchy and voting is confusing. Anarchy in context probably means lawlessness. Defining anarchy as lawlessness ignores anarchy as a political philosophy.

      Roads, schools, hospitals and fire departments do not require bosses. Anarchy keeps infrastructure without bosses.

      Voting puts bosses in place to make decisions. Anarchy prefers consensus building between effected parties.

      People deserve to make more decisions in how their lives are run. A lack of respect for laws passed by our bosses is fitting.

      Voting for bosses that make laws to chain people who can run their own school or hospital is unnecesary. Vote because it is the extent of power afforded to us now. Concurrently build better systems and power structures like anarchy.

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    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I don’t think you know what anarchism means.

      Also, governments can build infrastructure without supporting foreign genocide.

      The Original Commenter (OC) of this thread isn’t saying they want to abolish government entirely. They are saying that government has been twisted and no longer represents the wishes of its people.

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    • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I don’t know maybe it is better. Yes many will die horribly but already is, just in another part of the world because of governments that are being used as tongs by billionaires

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• WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Palestine Action are heroes. We should be singing songs about them, not prosecuting them.

  Remember, legality and morality are only vaguely related. Beyond the natural crimes of murder, rape, etc. laws are just politics by another name. And the wealthy and powerful write laws to advance their own corrupt interests. Many moral obligations are criminalized, and many things that if there is a Hell will surely get you sent there are perfectly legal.

  Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It’s a shame they weren’t destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed. That is the simple absolute moral truth. If the law says otherwise, then the law is wrong. Anyone violating it still needs to keep the consequences in mind. But outside observers should not be afraid to speak truth to power. What Palestine Action did was not wrong; it was an act of heroism. The UK should be electing these people to parliament, not prosecuting them. Want courageous leaders who will actually stand up to powerful interests and do the right thing, even when it’s hard? Well it seems you just found that exact rare kind of person right here.

  Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza is simply the morally right thing to do, regardless of the law. It’s no different than a Jewish resistance fighter in the 1940s setting fire to a cattle train about to go collect prisoners for transport to Dachau. Sometimes destruction of government property is the only morally correct choice available to people.

  And we shouldn’t be afraid to say this. People in the UK should be contacting their politicians demanding a full pardon for these heroes.

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It’s a shame they weren’t destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed.

    The planes were totally unrelated to what’s going on in Gaza.

    Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza

    What’s the indication these planes would do that? Israel doesn’t even need British tanker planes to fly the tiny distance to Gaza.

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• henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  US does police state better.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    US is Judge Dredd.

    UK is 1984.

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    • ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Apt considering the setting

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  • clockworkrat@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Does it different. In the US the violence is more up front. Here it’s done through mechanisms of the state.

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  • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Germany does it the best

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    • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      In Germany we are at a point where it’s difficult to identity antisemitism became everyone who doesn’t actively support the genocide in Gaza is called an antisemite

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    • Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Not to defend Germany, but given their relative size of prison populations, and number of citizens extra judicially killed by law enforcement. The US is, measurably, the worse of the two.

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    • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      We did it the best from 1933-1945, but currently we are nowhere near the american police state.

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  • affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    i bet my police state could beat up your police state

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    • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes yes. We do a big police deathmatch between the US and UK. All the cops of both countries in one huge brawl. Whoever comes out alive gets the trophy and a twenty dollar gift card for a Fast Food restaurant of their choice.

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• AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Can you support “the political prisoners of Palestine Action”?

  Can you say “Palestine Action is not a terrorist organization”?

  Can you say “Outlawing Palestine Action is terrorism”?

  Or is that also illegal?

  Fucking fascists…

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  • arc99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Fascists? Virtually the entire house of commons voted them a terrorist organisation, not just Labour. That was because they attacked UK military aircraft on a UK military base and concocted an excuse for doing it. That got them branded terrorists.

    This does not in any way stop people rallying for Palestine or the appalling inhuman injustices they’re suffering. I’m sure there are marches happening all the time, not to mention charities to donate to, social media feeds to amplify atrocities. Just don’t attack UK bases or support those who do and you’ll be fine.

    As for Corbyn, he wasn’t “stabbed in the back”. He lost two general elections in a row and he resigned. If he was still there for the last election he’d be sitting in opposition in charge of an even smaller party surrounded by a clique. He was not some saviour for Labour, he was the bane of it.

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    • AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      “Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.”

      If you call this terrorism, you can call anything terrorism, and anybody can be a terrorist. If you’re willing to do that to aid the Israel fascist state, that makes you a fascist.

      And sure, that was very much illegal and they could have used any number of laws applicable to attacking a military base. Just not terrorism. But the UK military is involved in a partnership in the gaza war. They are not “non-combatants”

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hold up one saying “I support Yevette Cooper”, i doubt they’ll arrest you for that.

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• HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I’m not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It’s like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!

  Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.

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  • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The group in question broke onto an airbase and put a couple of RAF planes out of action. They crossed a red line for the government.

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    • theacharnian@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Oh boy wait till you hear what the suffragettes were willing to do for another righteous cause, a bit over a century ago. I don’t know man, maybe the government should start reexamining its policies if ordinary people among its citizens are willing to start breaking into airbase and damaging their own planes.

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    • apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nothing they did makes them terrorists, no matter what you think of the action they took

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    • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Still not terrorism

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    • shiturdgensider@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They threw paint at fighter jets you fucking liar. “Out of action”, bitch please.

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    • quoll@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      out of action

      paint

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  from what ive been hearing from the shit going on in the uk, youve been a police state for a while now.

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• Genius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Only antisemites think genocide is bad. /s

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• Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The Brits need to make like the French and lop heads off until they have something resembling a functional democracy.

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  • klu9@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Executioner with head of Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I

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    • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah interesting how our first attempt at democracy. Was started by and failed due to. Religious fundamentalism.

      Given only wealthy land owners could vote. Hardly democracy.

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  • matlag@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Unfortunately France is only lagging behind, but on the same authoritarian path.

    First thing done after terrorist attack: declare emergency state, a tool designed for cases where the state is at risk of collapsing because of invasion by a foreing country or violent insurrection…

    The police gains the power to assign people considered at risk at their residence. Very first use: assign climate activists at residence during the COP.

    Emergency state is reconducted multiple times without any rationale, other than vague “terrorist threat”.

    One of the first actions from Macron once in power was to make it permanent, by passing its key elements in the law.

    Protests against anti-social policies or for climate are now systematically met with a violent response. People come out with an eye or a hand missing due to flashballs and lacrymo grenades. Answer from the government is something like “they had it coming”.

    Cases of activists and journalists intimidation by law enforcement are multiplying.

    Give it a bit of time, and France will catch up.

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  • john_lemmy@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And we should probably consider the very wealth as an aristocracy of sorts for that to be effective.

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• WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Some Aussie comedian on KGB News has just said that the disabled should be shot or starved into work …but a few people holding signs is the problem. How baffling.

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  • IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Isn’t this a big part of the MAGA platform?

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• sunbytes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Even on the middle east eye YouTube I’m seeing so many appeals to authority and “it’s illegal, simple as. Full stop. Not for debate”.

  Not sure if brigading or what but it really worries me how people think.

  It’s not like they’re stupid, it’s like it’s uncomfortable for them to think.

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• SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s so much easier for the frog to not realize it’s being boiled in the UK because there’s no solidified constitution to point to

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  • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Not sure that matters too much, frogs in the US are boiling fine too. The constitution can be brushed aside just as easily.

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• MrSulu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The moron, Yvette Cooper thinks that this is the sort of violent thug that needs to be locked up whilst neo nazi and other hate groups causing direct harm to (checks notes) voters continues unabated.

  …bbci.co.uk/…/2ee739a0-59ba-11f0-9074-8989d8c97d8…

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  • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Two neo-Nazi groups were proscribed at the same time…

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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  • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    BBC News - 29 arrests after protest in support of Palestine Action, police say www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gd3pkr9x1o

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• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They could just say I support Palestine and be fine.

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  • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    But then they won’t be able to impress their basement friends with their edginess.

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• midtsveen@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Whomp… Whomp…! Unfortunately Fascism is real!

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• oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They’re feckless cowards.

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• Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Sux

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