Other than them both being dickheads
40% of Tesla income comes from offsets paid by ICE companies.
Trump killed that.
What did Musk and Trump fall out over?
Submitted 1 day ago by LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 hours ago
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Publicly, Elon said Trump’s bill was full of pork and would increase spending and debt by a lot.
Voters on the right were already waking up to how shitty Trump’s bill was, and Musk just used his megaphone to let even more of Trump’s base know that it sucked.
Privately, Musk is probably pissed that Trump’s bill didn’t help his companies. These are two greedy assholes. It all comes down to money and ego at the end of the day.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 21 hours ago
That’s a really good explanation thanks! Can you ELI5 why the bill sucked?
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
The bill give massive tax cuts to the extremely rich, and it attempts to pay for part of that by:
- kicking many low income and disabled people off of federally funded health insurance
- closes poor rural hospitals that depend on Medicaid money
- cutting subsidies for manufacturing jobs that make emerging green tech, like EVs
- food and child care assistance will disappear for many poor families.
- and there is a bunch of weird little sneaky things hidden in it that people hope don’t get noticed because the bill is 200+ pages
When you do the math, the rich will get a lot of money, the very poor will have lose money, the and middle class will break even but many will be put on unemployment.
And it costs an extra $4,000,000,000,000, which is fucking bonkers.
zombyreagan@lemm.ee 21 hours ago
Normal people hate it because it’s gutting things like Medicare, and GOP ghouls hate it because it doesn’t cut enough and will add to the deficit by a lot
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Musk realized Tesla couldn’t do the rebate scams if the bill passed
timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Bigger than that, I think Musk finally realized that Trump only holds up his end of deals as long as it’s advantageous for him. The rest of us have known that for as long as we’ve known Trump, but hey, being a totally legit super genius has its downsides, right? Anyways, Trump promised him a buffet of corruption, then got cold feet when he saw musks appetite. Even more than that, they’re two self-appointed kings of their own worlds, both with the emotional intelligence/maturity of a very traumatized teenager. With their levels of obvious insecurity, their arrangement was never going to work. I’m just glad their break up is as juicy as I thought it would be. :)
SippyCup@feddit.nl 23 hours ago
I think they’re just two overly inflated narcissists who’s goals briefly aligned, and now they don’t so much.
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Well said. They are just for themselves and now they are no longer align
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Pretty much everything we’ve expected has come to pass so far, only much faster than any of us could’ve foreseen. I would’ve expected them to “get along” for a year or so before calling it quits, but evidently they didn’t even last that long.
Still hella amusing though.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
Can you ELI5?
SolidShake@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
How is a tax rebate a scam?
You buy an EV, you fill it out on your tax return, you get up to $7500.
Where’s the scam in that? Please tell me.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
In some circumstances the company also gets a cut of rebate. I don’t know about anything that may or may not be going on in the US on this front, but in Canada Tesla’s been under scrutiny because they submitted a bunch of forms last minute claiming sales that did not look legitimate, just before the Canadian program ended.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
He convinced the government to subsidize the sale of his products to consumers. It makes sense on paper because we want more people driving electric cars. However, Tesla of all companies doesn’t deserve the “handout”, even though it’s to consumers. They don’t deserve the boost in sales, recognition, etc.
It’s not technically a scam (the best kind!) but it’s helping out the richest man and biggest asshole in the world, so it might as well be.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
he did this in canada already
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
Also Trump mad because DOGE was a failure, and Trump mad because he wants to pass the big beautiful bill that will astonishingly explode the national debt and defecit, but Trump is either too stupid to understand that it will do that, or he’s mad that anyone in his circle would publically say as much… or some combo of both.
Its like with the tariffs: Trump is genuinely so stupid he doesn’t understand how any of this actually works, but at the same time, any idea he came up with is a good idea and fuck you if you disagree… because he has the emotional maturity of a narcissistic 12 year old.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
that explains is sudden flailing attacks. and also its just a distraction from what trump is doing anyways.
theneverfox@pawb.social 17 hours ago
I think Musk is stupider than people realize. He’s a true believer in his grandpa’s technocracy movement (plus eugenics), and so he thought “if I was in control for just a few weeks everyone would realize they should just let me run the world”
Then, he got practically unlimited power, and everyone got mad at him. He seemed genuinely surprised that people weren’t praising him for his sacrifices (such as selflessly condemning hundreds of thousands of people to death)
Then he showed he was useless at buying elections, and the right dropped him
He followed Trump around for a while quietly, probably spending most of it in a k-hole. Then Trump officially broke up with him, even if he glazed Elon on the way out
Then the narcissism kicked back in. Maybe his “friends” rubbed it in, maybe his dad called him a disappointment who fumbled the chance of a lifetime, maybe the threat of legal ramifications made him bitch out - but whatever happened, Elon woke up one day and decided “it wasn’t my fault, Trump and Co fucked me”
I think Elon is actually concerned about the bill to some degree, because it does stretch our debt and spending to levels that could potentially pop the global economy. I think he does feel disrespected that his work at Doge is being rolled back and everyone is distancing themselves from him. I think he is upset that he spent all this money to buy the presidency, and got a bad ROI
But ultimately, Elon is a fucking idiot with a huge ego. He didn’t understand what game he was playing, and so when he lost he started blaming others
And it’s beautiful. Possibly the greatest crash out in history
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
He thought he was playing the game against Trump who is in fact a moron. But then he found out there are smart powerful evil people actually pulling the strings who have more power than he could imagine. He got fucking set up and rolled over by people as cunning as he perceived himself to be. Self reflection is not something good brain is capable of so he’s just lashing out lol. He’s a bozo and his companies are going to 0.
wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Yeah I really hope he goes after Vought and the truly evil people next. It’d be glorious to watch them all fight and get ripped apart so they can’t harm anyone else.
theneverfox@pawb.social 14 hours ago
Pretty much. Trump is charismatic… But his brain is leaking out his nose and he wasn’t very smart to begin with. Elon is effectively dumber, because trump knows he’s in this to get his bread buttered - Elon might have more ram, but he doesn’t understand the difference between con and reality
atlien51@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
Damn, well put :x
psud@aussie.zone 15 hours ago
Regarding “Elon is stupid” I don’t agree. He has shown exceptionally good technical skills, he has no people skills, he’s worse than useless at presenting himself to the public in general
I don’t think he engineered much at either Tesla or SpaceX, but he had an excellent understanding of what they were doing - he could answer all the (non-ITAR, non trade secret) questions Tim Dodd asked in his tour of Starbase. When model 3 was new Randall Monroe did and assessment of the vehicle, Musk took the criticism and the next version fixed all the identified problems.
I would say Trump is the opposite. Actually low IQ, poorly educated, but good at talking to the population at large
theneverfox@pawb.social 14 hours ago
No, he’s shown zero technical skills across his lifetime. He literally has no skill as a programmer or as an engineer
Have you ever seen a kid with a model car that can rattle off the horsepower and acceleration speed? That’s what Elon is. He doesn’t understand these things - he buys companies and learns the spec sheet because he’s a fanboy with too much money.
Elon couldn’t code his way out of a paper bag. He couldn’t put together a model rocket with instructions on the box. What he can do is memorize a bunch of statistics he doesn’t understand on a fundamental level
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Intelligence is multidimensional. Musk is obviously great at business, the kind where you stretch the limits of what is allowed to grow your empire, and (I agree) he knows what he’s building and capable of recognizing where he should lead the product next.
His political acumen is gotta be dogshit, with an unlimited money all he managed to do is to destroy the “realworld ironman” image he spent a decade crafting. He has no rizz, especially compared to Trump who is loved by half of the world (and hated by the other).
Also, critically for him IMO, he has no self-reflection. With all that power gassing your ego up, it is crucial to be able to step back and see that you’re just a dumb ape as the rest of us. Recognize things you’re bad at and find good people to field for you, instead of sycophants whispering “it’s the kids who are wrong”
LordGimp@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
It’s funny to watch Ted Faro play out IRL lmao
Pulptastic@midwest.social 6 hours ago
Have you heard the Tenacious D song “Two Kings”?
LemmiChanga@programming.dev 2 hours ago
“We don’t have to cognitive capacity to lead… ok we’ll do it”
percent@infosec.pub 13 hours ago
Fun fact: This isn’t the first time they’ve worked together and broke up. IIRC, Trump choose Musk for some advisory role during his first term (I don’t remember what, specifically). Musk resigned because Trump withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 10 hours ago
Ahhhh I didn’t know that thanks
steeznson@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Trump wasn’t giving him the policies/legislation he was asking for that would put his businesses at an advantage. Additionally Elon was unhappy with the tarrifs. Lastly, they both have large and delicate egos.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I’m putting 50/50 odds that it’s an intentional, theatrical distraction from other more important things that are going on, or it’s just the inevitable outcome of two malignant narcissist sociopaths being in the same room together too often. If they quickly kiss and make up I’ll lean more towards the former than the latter.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
I’ve found criminals and high up business people are never friends, just friends when it suits them. They’ll have HUGE fallouts then be ok with each other when they need each other. Just IME
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Also maybe just a stock market pump. It seems like the shit always hits the fan on Fridays when the US stock markets are the last to still be open due to time zones and it has time to stick because everyone styas closed during the weekend. So everybody gets to see the news about it hitting the fan 💩
Zarxrax@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Nah, musk has said some stuff that you don’t come back from. There is no way Trump says “eh, he accused me of being a pedophile but it’s all good”.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
That’s exactly my point. If they do in a few days “come back from” that and are all buddy buddy again, then I think that indicates it was just a staged performance for show and distraction and none of it was real fighting. Suggests it was all just an act. (IF they do come back from it. Which remains to be seen)
Muskrat has already backed down from a few things he said in the “heat” of the argument, like that he was going to disassemble the Dragon capsules. So I wouldn’t jump to your conclusion that they can’t possibly “come back from” this, my point is just that if they do, it was probably all just an act to begin with because I agree if it’s real, stuff was said that either one of these vindictive sociopaths is likely to forget.
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
It’s also possible that this is just political theater designed to distract people
bizzle@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I feel like you don’t call the President of the United States a kid fucker to millions of people unless you’re serious. It’s possible but it seems pretty unlikely
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
That’s what I thought originally but then I got high and thought about it more and it seemed pretty likely they could go that far. And things getting stranger than they already are seems likely to me.
blarghly@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
You’re traumatized and overthinking it. They are not that smart. A good thing is happening. Enjoy it.
thetrekkersparky@startrek.website 16 hours ago
Also I think Tesla stock went up a bit since this whole thing started. Muskrat might just be trying to distance himself from Trump to save Tesla’s sales numbers.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 hours ago
Wow. Reading the comments, it’s amazing how uninformed people here are.
Read the news, folks.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
You ever see what happens when you put two narcissists in the same room? This is what happens.
drmoose@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Because autocracy cannot sustain conflict of ideas. It was just a matter of time as every political scientist said 6 months ago.
Glide@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
While I am sure there are real, specific reasons that can be pointed to as “the reason,” the real answer is that you can’t put two narcissists in a room together and tell them they’re on the same team. This always was the only possible outcome.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 23 hours ago
Other than them both being dickheads
Why do you think they need more than that?
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 23 hours ago
Fair point
slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The same thing that got them together. Money.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
Don’t doubt that but do you know what exactly?
slazer2au@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I doubt it is one thing but there is a bill on the floor about removing tax credits for EVs which would hit Tesla quite bad.
psud@aussie.zone 15 hours ago
I think it’s more about power. Musk wanted more, but got less.
Libra@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
Musk feels like he bought a president and should own him outright, Trump feels like he’s renting a timeshare on the oval office and Musk is taking up too much of his ‘allotted’ time.
Taleya@aussie.zone 17 hours ago
They’re both raging self obsessed narcs who can’t stand anyone else getting attention. It was just a matter of time.
Tl;dr: housecats
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Eel-on-musk saw a ray of daylight from the bottom of his k-hole and had a crisis of conscience…? Idk man everyone’s on drugs. And I do mean that literally, for this regime.
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
Musk was taking all the attention and jumping about like a dick.
First rift was musk was going to get classified briefings on China and Trump put a stop to it.
Also Musk had a fall out with Bessent and Trump sided with Besset.
Also rumoured he fucked Steven Millers wife (who is a left and would blacken a right eye with a hook).
Nothing to do with the bill at all IMO. He does not give a single fuck about that. Just a pain point he knows he can drive a wedge through a big part of Trumps base.
db2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Neither one wanted to be top when nobody was watching.
foggy@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I find Bell Of The Ranch usually summarizes these sorts of political situations adequately.
Disclaimer: She’s not a news source. But, you know, neither are we here, so…
TWeaK@piefed.social 23 hours ago
TL;DW: She doesn't really talk about what they fell out over, instead she latches on to what she thinks is the main issue people are overlooking: (she claims) Musk is basically telling the GOP that Trump has only 3 years left, he's old news, but he "will be around for 40 more years".
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
What are the chances they are working together and creating a distraction?
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Less than 1%.
People vastly overestimate these bozos.
They aren’t lying. They actually believe this shite. They aren’t playing genius 5d chess they are just reactive morons. Look at the leaked Signal group chats.
No doubt Vance is a bit smarter and is acting a bit, given all the ‘Trump is americas Hitler’ stuff. But this is unspoken between them.
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
I see your point, but I’d be cautious of underestimating them.
Regardless of their own shortcomings, they have more resources than virtually anyone else on the planet to compensate for them. They certainly have teams of incredibly smart, and incredibly well paid people scheming for them.
mjhelto@lemm.ee 22 hours ago
Until the Epstein post, I had the same question. Now, not so much.
LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 22 hours ago
It’s entirely possible
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
musk wanted the govt to spend less, trump wanted it to spend more
aceshigh@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I assume - Musk tried to pressure Trump to get more kickbacks, but t has loyalty elsewhere. Not to mention musk has aggravated everyone in the WH and someone from t’s inner circle told him to just cut him out because musk served his purpose and t agreed. And of course, musk isn’t president he is!
SolidShake@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Who cares? You ever take a shit, turn around and say “hmm… I wonder what that shit is feeling”. No. You flush it down the toilet where it belongs with the rest of the shit in the world
Glide@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
With you in spirit, but they have too much control over too many lives to just be dismissive about.
JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Unfortunately, by that metaphor, the world is constipated.
Buske@lemmy.world 16 minutes ago
There is no fall out. They both are still getting exactly what they want. It is a ploy.